Do you there can be a 2 state solution in the Middle East?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's fantasy to believe the West will force Israel into a Palestinian one state solution. Too many people believe Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state.

If Palestinians or Arabs are as dumb
As Israelis say they are, then a one state solution shouldn’t be an issue? They’ll just be living off the state in squalor/ghettoes with no chance of ever becoming the educated or political elite right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a firm believer than a 2-state solution is the only palatable one. Status quo is just not workable and it’s frankly immoral and unfair to the Palestinians. A one-state solution would result in mass murders and expulsions of Jews. The world can’t let that happen again.

The Israelis did make a good-faith start towards a 2-state Solution and they get zero credit for it in the media today. They turned Gaza over to the Palestinians in 2005. Hopefully a true leader can emerge on the Palestinian side who can lead them to a “redo” of that. If the start of a 2-state solution can emerge from the ashes of Gaza, that could start the long journey to liberating the West Bank.

Thank you for mentioning it because I think it gets forgotten.

Gaza is not an example of a good faith effort on Israel's part. Ehud Barak's offer is and it is an everlasting shame that Arafat did not produce a similar counter offer.

Gaza was never about enabling 2 states it was done with the intent of preventing 2 states in an attempt at splitting the West Bank off. It is no coincidence that the settlerization of the West Bank increased at the same time.

Barak never offered full statehood. He offered some land and some independence, but full independence was never on the table

I didn't say it was a good offer I said it was a good faith offer and it was. Gaza on the other hand was a bad faith offer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not anytime soon.

Too many Palestinians want vengeance rather than peace, and too many right wing Israelis have a manifest destiny view of the land.

We’ll see what happens after Hamas gets defeated and Bibi gets voted out of office, but I’m not hopeful.

There is no such thing as a Palestinian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not anytime soon.

Too many Palestinians want vengeance rather than peace, and too many right wing Israelis have a manifest destiny view of the land.

We’ll see what happens after Hamas gets defeated and Bibi gets voted out of office, but I’m not hopeful.

There is no such thing as a Palestinian.

Yes dehumanizing people. The problem that cause all this grief is the religious state. Once you remove that peace will happen. Israel need to evolve away from a Jewish state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not anytime soon.

Too many Palestinians want vengeance rather than peace, and too many right wing Israelis have a manifest destiny view of the land.

We’ll see what happens after Hamas gets defeated and Bibi gets voted out of office, but I’m not hopeful.

There is no such thing as a Palestinian.

The UN and at least 138 member states beg to differ …


The State of Palestine has been accepted as an observer state of the United Nations General Assembly in November 2012. As of 31 July 2019, 138 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine (Israel is recognized by 165).

The State of Palestine had been officially proclaimed by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 15 November 1988, claiming sovereignty over the internationally recognized Palestinian territories: the West Bank, which includes East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. By the end of 1988, the proclaimed Palestinian state was recognized by 78 countries.

In 2011, the State of Palestine was admitted into UNESCO; in 2012, after it was accepted as an observer state of the United Nations General Assembly with the votes of 138 member states of the United Nations, the Palestinian National Authority started officially using the name "State of Palestine" for all purposes.

Among the G20, nine countries (Argentina, Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, and Turkey) have recognized Palestine as a state (Indonesia and Saudi Arabia only recognize Palestine) while ten countries (Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, the United Kingdom, and the United States) have not. Although these countries generally support some form of two-state solution to the conflict, they take the position that their recognition of a Palestinian state is conditioned to direct negotiations between Israel and the PNA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not anytime soon.

Too many Palestinians want vengeance rather than peace, and too many right wing Israelis have a manifest destiny view of the land.

We’ll see what happens after Hamas gets defeated and Bibi gets voted out of office, but I’m not hopeful.

There is no such thing as a Palestinian.

Is this anti-Semitic? Trying to figure out the term for anti-Palestinian hate speech.

But more importantly this highlights the Israeli side of the problem. How can the normal peace desiring Israelis and Palestinians sideline the casually hateful extremists that have stood in the way of compromise since the very beginning? Everything always circles back to those two flavors of extremists.

[Anonymous]

I don’t see much hope for either Israel or Palestine without a two state solution … but both sides will need to summons sufficient political will and discipline for the compromises needed.

Most of the world is horrified by both Hamas actions on October 7 and Israel’s disproportionate response and collective punishment of civilians. Both sides have committed war crimes and both sides need to compromise to find a workable two state solution.

The majority of the international community do not recognize West Bank or Gaza as rightfully annexed by Israel. Israel is located between Islamic countries who at best tolerate her, but who mostly are extremely antagonized by her response in Gaza. Israel needs to be way more diplomatic and less aggressive if it wants to survive in a hostile Region.

Many of us want both sides to survive and peacefully coexist. That will require
commitment, compromise, compassion and creativity.

Now that Israel has destroyed much of Gaza and stated that it will continue to occupy it, why not hand over Gaza to Israel to rebuild and officially recognize that West Bank primarily belongs to Palestinians? Resettling illegal West Bank settlers would not be easy and would require Democratic will to require them to move without fighting.

Israeli citizens and Palestinians would need to vote on this. There would be extremists on either side seeking to derail their best chances for peaceful coexistence but hopefully enough people would be prepared for a path of compassion and compromise.

Any two state solution would require rights of access to holy sites for all three major Abrahamic religious groups. There are many Jewish, Christian and Muslim holy sites in the West Bank https://www.beinharimtour...west-bank/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not anytime soon.

Too many Palestinians want vengeance rather than peace, and too many right wing Israelis have a manifest destiny view of the land.

We’ll see what happens after Hamas gets defeated and Bibi gets voted out of office, but I’m not hopeful.

There is no such thing as a Palestinian.

Says the person whose blood is from the Ukraine or Monsey, New York or whatever.

Stay in your lane, pal.

[Anonymous]

Druze and Alawites, and any other random esoteric religious group there, deserve access to their sites as well. You likely mean well but that's a whole nother minefield of idiocy. Here's one example: there's a shrine/grave right down the middle of the green line on the Lebanon border. For the past 600 years this place was considered the grave of an important early Shi'ite leader. More recently the Religious Zionists claim this was originally the cave/grave of an important early Jewish leader. The two groups now have surreal ritualistic rock throwing parties across the line that runs right across the slab of this guy's grave.

Gaza is not part of Eretz Israel. It was the capital of the Philistines. The settlers don't care about it and frankly any solution that caters to, depends on, or gives consideration to either of the two sides' whackjob fundamentalists is bound to fail. Neither sides' extremists operate in good faith and the stated goal of both is to undermine and prevent a two state solution.

[Anonymous]

The only solution is to completely eradicate Hamas and absorb Gaza and Palestine into Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only solution is to completely eradicate Hamas and absorb Gaza and Palestine into Israel.

Does this plan include equal human and citizen rights for Palestinians?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a firm believer than a 2-state solution is the only palatable one. Status quo is just not workable and it’s frankly immoral and unfair to the Palestinians. A one-state solution would result in mass murders and expulsions of Jews. The world can’t let that happen again.

The Israelis did make a good-faith start towards a 2-state Solution and they get zero credit for it in the media today. They turned Gaza over to the Palestinians in 2005. Hopefully a true leader can emerge on the Palestinian side who can lead them to a “redo” of that. If the start of a 2-state solution can emerge from the ashes of Gaza, that could start the long journey to liberating the West Bank.

Thank you for mentioning it because I think it gets forgotten.

Gaza is not an example of a good faith effort on Israel's part. Ehud Barak's offer is and it is an everlasting shame that Arafat did not produce a similar counter offer.

Gaza was never about enabling 2 states it was done with the intent of preventing 2 states in an attempt at splitting the West Bank off. It is no coincidence that the settlerization of the West Bank increased at the same time.

This slate article does a good job in laying out the history and that while Barak's offer won the PR battle in being perceived as fair, there is more to the story.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2002/04/was-arafat-the-problem.html

Personally, I think the only path forward is for Israel to begin looking at things from the Palestinian point of view.

[Anonymous]

A two-state solution is the only way to guarantee long-term peace and security in the Middle East. Regrettably, we need new leadership on both sides who can look at things differently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only solution is to completely eradicate Hamas and absorb Gaza and Palestine into Israel.

Does this plan include equal human and citizen rights for Palestinians?

No. Only for Jews as defined by the state of Israel. Sorry Reform and Conservative that does not include you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A two-state solution is the only way to guarantee long-term peace and security in the Middle East. Regrettably, we need new leadership on both sides who can look at things differently.

That will not work with the 500k settlers in the West Bank. Many of those people have committed crimes and murders. I do not see an agreement like South African had ever being implemented on West Bank Setters.