Do you there can be a 2 state solution in the Middle East?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not anytime soon.

Too many Palestinians want vengeance rather than peace, and too many right wing Israelis have a manifest destiny view of the land.

We’ll see what happens after Hamas gets defeated and Bibi gets voted out of office, but I’m not hopeful.

Do they though? If they are ruled by Hamas, how can you ever know what Palestinians think? Is there really freedom of speech?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. I don't see any politically palatable way to divide the west bank. I think we're a generation away from a one state solution being imposed on Israel one the politics in the US shifts

I agree. One state with equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a firm believer than a 2-state solution is the only palatable one. Status quo is just not workable and it’s frankly immoral and unfair to the Palestinians. A one-state solution would result in mass murders and expulsions of Jews. The world can’t let that happen again.

The Israelis did make a good-faith start towards a 2-state Solution and they get zero credit for it in the media today. They turned Gaza over to the Palestinians in 2005. Hopefully a true leader can emerge on the Palestinian side who can lead them to a “redo” of that. If the start of a 2-state solution can emerge from the ashes of Gaza, that could start the long journey to liberating the West Bank.

Thank you for mentioning it because I think it gets forgotten.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's fantasy to believe the West will force Israel into a Palestinian one state solution. Too many people believe Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state.

No that is not true. The Israel as a Jewish state support is very shallow and weak. You are stating that only a Jewish state is what you want but in the US Jews only make up 2-3% of the population. So why should the US or other western powers care about a Jewish state? The only benefits of a Jewish is given to 2% of the population.

Why should the Western powers care about favoring Palestinians either? Being an ally to Israel gives the US some leverage in the region. Why destroy that longstanding relationship? What do the Palestinians bring to the table?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. I don't see any politically palatable way to divide the west bank. I think we're a generation away from a one state solution being imposed on Israel one the politics in the US shifts

I agree. One state with equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis.

Sounds like you support a de facto Palestinian state. What happens if the Jews don't agree to it? Are you going to force them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a firm believer than a 2-state solution is the only palatable one. Status quo is just not workable and it’s frankly immoral and unfair to the Palestinians. A one-state solution would result in mass murders and expulsions of Jews. The world can’t let that happen again.

The Israelis did make a good-faith start towards a 2-state Solution and they get zero credit for it in the media today. They turned Gaza over to the Palestinians in 2005. Hopefully a true leader can emerge on the Palestinian side who can lead them to a “redo” of that. If the start of a 2-state solution can emerge from the ashes of Gaza, that could start the long journey to liberating the West Bank.

Thank you for mentioning it because I think it gets forgotten.

Gaza is not an example of a good faith effort on Israel's part. Ehud Barak's offer is and it is an everlasting shame that Arafat did not produce a similar counter offer.

Gaza was never about enabling 2 states it was done with the intent of preventing 2 states in an attempt at splitting the West Bank off. It is no coincidence that the settlerization of the West Bank increased at the same time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. I don't see any politically palatable way to divide the west bank. I think we're a generation away from a one state solution being imposed on Israel one the politics in the US shifts

I agree. One state with equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis.

Sounds like Kurds in Turkey and Iraq. How has that worked out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. I don't see any politically palatable way to divide the west bank. I think we're a generation away from a one state solution being imposed on Israel one the politics in the US shifts

I agree. One state with equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis.

Sounds like Kurds in Turkey and Iraq. How has that worked out?

Much better vs the current status quo in Israel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. I don't see any politically palatable way to divide the west bank. I think we're a generation away from a one state solution being imposed on Israel one the politics in the US shifts

I agree. One state with equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis.

Sounds like you support a de facto Palestinian state. What happens if the Jews don't agree to it? Are you going to force them?

What happened to South Africans who didn't support the end of apartheid? The ones who could emigrate emigrated

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a firm believer than a 2-state solution is the only palatable one. Status quo is just not workable and it’s frankly immoral and unfair to the Palestinians. A one-state solution would result in mass murders and expulsions of Jews. The world can’t let that happen again.

The Israelis did make a good-faith start towards a 2-state Solution and they get zero credit for it in the media today. They turned Gaza over to the Palestinians in 2005. Hopefully a true leader can emerge on the Palestinian side who can lead them to a “redo” of that. If the start of a 2-state solution can emerge from the ashes of Gaza, that could start the long journey to liberating the West Bank.

Thank you for mentioning it because I think it gets forgotten.

Gaza is not an example of a good faith effort on Israel's part. Ehud Barak's offer is and it is an everlasting shame that Arafat did not produce a similar counter offer.

Gaza was never about enabling 2 states it was done with the intent of preventing 2 states in an attempt at splitting the West Bank off. It is no coincidence that the settlerization of the West Bank increased at the same time.

Barak never offered full statehood. He offered some land and some independence, but full independence was never on the table

[Anonymous]

do you think a 2 state solution can happen?

Nope. Israelis don’t want that, and they have no one to negotiate with in good faith if they did want that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's fantasy to believe the West will force Israel into a Palestinian one state solution. Too many people believe Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state.

No that is not true. The Israel as a Jewish state support is very shallow and weak. You are stating that only a Jewish state is what you want but in the US Jews only make up 2-3% of the population. So why should the US or other western powers care about a Jewish state? The only benefits of a Jewish is given to 2% of the population.

Why should the Western powers care about favoring Palestinians either? Being an ally to Israel gives the US some leverage in the region. Why destroy that longstanding relationship? What do the Palestinians bring to the table?

Because Palestinians are being slaughtered by the Israelis with no end in site. Israelis may want a Jewish state but have shown to be incapable of being responsible and reasonable state. This is mainly because it happens in all theocracies. Israel could easily just be a secular state with protections for all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. I don't see any politically palatable way to divide the west bank. I think we're a generation away from a one state solution being imposed on Israel one the politics in the US shifts

I agree. One state with equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis.

Sounds like you support a de facto Palestinian state. What happens if the Jews don't agree to it? Are you going to force them?

What happened to South Africans who didn't support the end of apartheid? The ones who could emigrate emigrated

The ones who did support the end of apartheid emigrated

[Anonymous]

Israel’s offer of two states wasn’t in good faith. It was done as a response to the late 1980s intifada. The withdrawal of Gaza in 2005 was Israel’s response to the second intifada in the early 2000s.

Israel only responds with a concession when Palestinians react violently. The settlers didn’t start moving to the West Bank until 2008-2009 long after the second intifada. Israelis take more land when Palestinians are peaceful like in the West Bank and give up more land when they are violent. It sets a bad precedent and many Israelis including Ehud Barak have said it : that Israel rewards Palestinian violence but doesn’t reward them for being peaceful

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. I don't see any politically palatable way to divide the west bank. I think we're a generation away from a one state solution being imposed on Israel one the politics in the US shifts

I agree. One state with equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis.

Sounds like Kurds in Turkey and Iraq. How has that worked out?

Much better vs the current status quo in Israel.

Seriously?