Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

She had the fetus for 22 weeks but since the fetus had died at some point it would not be as large as a typical 22-week fetus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty common to sit on a toilet while miscarrying. I know I did during mine. It’s a bloody painful, out of your mind mess. Poor woman.

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I did as well.

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When I had missed miscarriages, no one told me what to do if the contents of my uterus passed at home. (I eventually had to get D&C’s because it was taking too long for my uterus to expel the pregnancies.) So did any one tell this woman what to do if she passed the fetus at home? I can well imagine many wouldn’t know what to do.

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Anonymous wrote:When I had missed miscarriages, no one told me what to do if the contents of my uterus passed at home. (I eventually had to get D&C’s because it was taking too long for my uterus to expel the pregnancies.) So did any one tell this woman what to do if she passed the fetus at home? I can well imagine many wouldn’t know what to do.

I doubt liability insurance considerations would allow doctors to address that issue

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Anonymous wrote:I am a woman who delivered two babies at 20 weeks and I can promise you, that woman did not sit on the toilet and just pop that dead baby out into the toilet and surprisingly hear a splash. Delivering a baby at that term, dead or alive, is every bit as painful as a full-term delivery--I know this, as I have done both, multiple times. You don't just go, oh, I have to pee, and then, hey what was that splash, oh, a baby! Then flush. This wasn't shock. This was foul play. She tried to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And everyone here knows why but won't say. She was very likely covering up a dead baby who had drugs in its system.

No one believes you. No drugs were found in that baby’s system. Plus, everyone’s labor is different. You are are a demon for posting this.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a woman who delivered two babies at 20 weeks and I can promise you, that woman did not sit on the toilet and just pop that dead baby out into the toilet and surprisingly hear a splash. Delivering a baby at that term, dead or alive, is every bit as painful as a full-term delivery--I know this, as I have done both, multiple times. You don't just go, oh, I have to pee, and then, hey what was that splash, oh, a baby! Then flush. This wasn't shock. This was foul play. She tried to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And everyone here knows why but won't say. She was very likely covering up a dead baby who had drugs in its system.

Read the article. Did you carry to non-viable fetuses after they were non-viable?

Women have babies on the toilet all the time.

Sorry your losses have rendered you irrational did you seek therapy?

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Disgusting that the PP had to make up some kind of fictional tale to vilify this poor woman.

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I’ve had plenty of miscarriages. None of mine have made it to 5 months. Idk why the hospitals denied her services. I see that she is black so maybe she was also poor and didn’t have insurance so nobody cared. ERs aren’t where you go if you expect follow up treatment. She should have an actual OB GYN but I guess that’s not the case for poor people who just show up to ERs with a whole medical history that docs have to work out on the spot. Tragic. I’m pro life when the baby is alive but this isn’t the case here, her baby was documented deceased sadly and should have been medically removed and the body disposed of properly. But money. 😔

For my early miscarriages they monitor hormone levels to see when you are back to normal and ensure that everything came out.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

because extracting a non-viable fetus before its heart has stopped is an abortion and illegal in ohio.

this is a massively f-uped case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a woman who delivered two babies at 20 weeks and I can promise you, that woman did not sit on the toilet and just pop that dead baby out into the toilet and surprisingly hear a splash. Delivering a baby at that term, dead or alive, is every bit as painful as a full-term delivery--I know this, as I have done both, multiple times. You don't just go, oh, I have to pee, and then, hey what was that splash, oh, a baby! Then flush. This wasn't shock. This was foul play. She tried to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And everyone here knows why but won't say. She was very likely covering up a dead baby who had drugs in its system.

Read the article. Did you carry to non-viable fetuses after they were non-viable?

Women have babies on the toilet all the time.

Sorry your losses have rendered you irrational did you seek therapy?

Women have early-term miscarriages on the toilet. They do not deliver 22-week babies into a toilet. Not unless they are compromised intellectually or mentally altered--and I don't mean by pain and shock. At 22 weeks, they are not "globs of cells." They look very much like fully-formed babies. The nurses in the hospital where I delivered took photos of my children. I held them. You do not hold a "glob of cells." and you don't flush babies down the toilet. You have not been through it, so you simply cannot speak to this. Your first question doesn't even make sense. I think when you lack intellectual capacity, it's best to stay out of the discussion.

People deliver full term babies into toilets so yes.

My first sentence makes sense if you understood that the the fetus had no chance of living you were talking about a state that requires a woman to carry a fetus in her stomach, even if it doesn’t have a brain, a heart or lungs.

You cannot compare your 22 week fetus with a fetus with severe birth defects.

Your nurse handed you a dead fetus in a sac? No wonder you have PTSD.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

You really don’t know what a non-viable 22 week fetus looks like because it stopped growing at some point because it doesn’t have all the organs that needs to live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PS, since we are talking weights and sizes:

That infant I know of who delivered at 23 weeks was a pound almost exactly, which is the average size for that gestational age. or the weight of an average papaya. The infant fit well into the palm of my hand.

An average 20 week fetus is about 2/3 of a pound.

That’s for fetus that is viable. Do you know the size of non-viable fetuses? Do you know the difference between a fetus that has no brain and one that does? Do you know the difference of size and weight of a fetus that doesn’t have all its organs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

That's not what happened. It was the indifference to the corpse that is the crime: "“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a woman who delivered two babies at 20 weeks and I can promise you, that woman did not sit on the toilet and just pop that dead baby out into the toilet and surprisingly hear a splash. Delivering a baby at that term, dead or alive, is every bit as painful as a full-term delivery--I know this, as I have done both, multiple times. You don't just go, oh, I have to pee, and then, hey what was that splash, oh, a baby! Then flush. This wasn't shock. This was foul play. She tried to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And everyone here knows why but won't say. She was very likely covering up a dead baby who had drugs in its system.

Read the article. Did you carry to non-viable fetuses after they were non-viable?

Women have babies on the toilet all the time.

Sorry your losses have rendered you irrational did you seek therapy?

Women have early-term miscarriages on the toilet. They do not deliver 22-week babies into a toilet. Not unless they are compromised intellectually or mentally altered--and I don't mean by pain and shock. At 22 weeks, they are not "globs of cells." They look very much like fully-formed babies. The nurses in the hospital where I delivered took photos of my children. I held them. You do not hold a "glob of cells." and you don't flush babies down the toilet. You have not been through it, so you simply cannot speak to this. Your first question doesn't even make sense. I think when you lack intellectual capacity, it's best to stay out of the discussion.

she had premature rupture of the membranes and was told twice by the hospital that the fetus was non-viable and sent home. wtf else do you think she should have done? what SHOULD have happened is that she was admitted to the hospital for labor to be induced or a D&C but I’m guessing there was still a heartbeat so this couldn’t happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

That's not what happened. It was the indifference to the corpse that is the crime: "“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri."

jfc. we really ARE at the point of prosecuting women for miscarriages and stillbirths. be careful having your period in Ohio ladies - you could be engaging in a felony by flushing the tampon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

That's not what happened. It was the indifference to the corpse that is the crime: "“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri."

He's the prosecutor, hardly a neutral party.