What can American women learn from foreign women?

[Anonymous]

We’re definitely a type, and it’s not just in appearance… somewhat traditional, stable views of relationships along with a dry sense of humor and just a little bit of subversion.

- American-born, of EE descent

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Anonymous wrote:Foreign born woman here. American women are miles ahead in most aspects.

Only thing i can think of is being more feminine and focusing more on their appearance.

Foreign-born here as well. In what way? I don't think of myself as ahead or better than American women but I don't see how American women are "miles ahead" either.

On average: better educated, more independent (moving for college and jobs), more open minded including about who they date and marry, more financially independent etc.

The average American woman didn't attend college.

This thread is so funny. I'm just waiting for the person who asks if it's low class or high class to marry a European - then this'll devolve into what KIND of European, because it's different if the person is French v if they come fro Bratislava, of course.

The likelihood that an American woman has a college and/or graduate degree is higher than most countries in the world. What's so hard about probability that you don't seem to understand?

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Anonymous wrote:We’re definitely a type, and it’s not just in appearance… somewhat traditional, stable views of relationships along with a dry sense of humor and just a little bit of subversion.

- American-born, of EE descent

That gets grating

Red Scare Pod girls are fun but exhausting

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Anonymous wrote:Foreign born woman here. American women are miles ahead in most aspects.

Only thing i can think of is being more feminine and focusing more on their appearance.

Foreign-born here as well. In what way? I don't think of myself as ahead or better than American women but I don't see how American women are "miles ahead" either.

On average: better educated, more independent (moving for college and jobs), more open minded including about who they date and marry, more financially independent etc.

Those are all attributes women rate highly in other women but are secondary for men whereas what pp says that foreign women do better is priority #1 for most men

Not true, those are attributes most males under 35 look for in a partner, especially the highly educated and well to do.

Those attributes are in addition to being cute

Yes, physical attraction comes first and American women are much more lax in that department.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some observations:

First, for both genders, the foreign-born people you meet in cosmopolitan and urban social circles are HIGHLY accomplished. It is HARD to come to the US. They either have money or highly advanced skills in something.
That’s for people who came here as adults. For those who came as children, or of immigrant families, they have likely faced more adversities than Americans of similar social standing. This doesn’t just make for an interesting life story, it makes for a resilience and strength that typical Americans, especially white Americans, don’t have.

Another stereotype that is true, foreigners come to America to major in STEM (engineering or medicine) or business. They are not pursuing humanities degrees, taking out student loans, and having existential crises about it.

Attributes of foreign women have already been discussed. More secure in their femininity seems to encompass it. They also aren’t constantly trying on identities and be something else. And perhaps the hardest to hear for American women is that foreign women eat less. Yes, some American women can be more into fitness and in better shape, but this doesn’t always appeal to men(sometimes it does). As said above, the slender European woman is attractive because that look is rare here. And you don’t get there by living in a gym - a lot of it is genetics (Scandinavian and Eastern European women have longer legs and leaner figures than Brits or Anglo-Americans) you get it by eating less. They don’t eat heavy meals constantly. They do eat sweets on occasion but not every day. They will eat one substantive meal a day and the rest is tea/coffee and a salad.

Generally, foreign women are less likely to be offended or outraged by political incorrectness or bluntness.

They are also less obsessed with politics. They usually think Trump is dumb but don’t really talk about it.

This one big time

excellent post that captures the entire dynamic

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Anonymous wrote:Foreign born woman here. American women are miles ahead in most aspects.

Only thing i can think of is being more feminine and focusing more on their appearance.

Foreign-born here as well. In what way? I don't think of myself as ahead or better than American women but I don't see how American women are "miles ahead" either.

On average: better educated, more independent (moving for college and jobs), more open minded including about who they date and marry, more financially independent etc.

Those are all attributes women rate highly in other women but are secondary for men whereas what pp says that foreign women do better is priority #1 for most men

Not true, those are attributes most males under 35 look for in a partner, especially the highly educated and well to do.

Those attributes are in addition to being cute

Yes, physical attraction comes first and American women are much more lax in that department.

American parents spend a fortune on orthodontia so that their kids avoid European smiles

[Anonymous]

I know a lot of people who have married non-Americans. There are always a lot of reasons. Sometimes it's that they were not able to date successfully in the US for whatever reason. Maybe they were shy in high school and were able to come out of their shell on a study abroad thing in college. Maybe their approach is better suited to another culture's matchmaking style or expectations. If a man wanted a wife whose role was to tend to the home and have the babies, it might make sense to look for that kind of partner in an area where that's common. Maybe that's the rural Midwestern town where I grew up, or maybe it's a non-American culture where that's the norm. Either way, that guy should probably not be looking for a compatible wife in a place like DC where the expectation is that women have a career as well.

I also know people who have been fairly creepy about it. A friend of my brother's only dates Japanese women. Japanese-American is a no-go. From what I've observed, he strongly prefers if they speak no English at all. I find it completely gross. I myself had a number of non-American partners both when I lived abroad and when I lived in the US. My reasons are that in general, I love people and culture and travel and am geographically pansexual, as it were. But I'm also a woman, so this isn't about me.

[Anonymous]

What can American women learn? It's ok not to get married. It's ok to get divorced.
Don't make your husband your 'A and O' or your kids.

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Anonymous wrote:What always gets me is that if their societies were so much better wouldn't there be an influx of people going to those countries rather than getting people out of them?

Europe has its share of migrants
Perhaps you want to think that everyone wants to immigrate to the US

DP.

Where are the mail order brides or grooms leaving U.S for Europe.

There are more opportunities here for foreigners than they are in Europe.

You are confused
Mail order brides are from former communist bloc countries
And the weird dudes going after them are US born
Though I have heard about Thai mail order brides as well

If you compare women in Europe that are not from post communist countries then they tend to be more educated
In America, up until the 60s a woman still believed she could become a home maker or wife and just do that
In Europe the women entered the workforce much sooner, got voting rights earlier
Here the poverty is more extreme and education is dependent on parental income with regard to quality of schooling
College is also much more affordable

A European man would not agree to fund a stay at home spouse

[Anonymous]

- more feminine
- more attractive
- kinder + more empathy
- more polite
- mentally in a better place
- more fun
- live in the moment
- prefer manly men and more defined gender roles
- More romantic and passionate. American women don't really seem like they value men.

This is just off the top of my head and varies a ton depending on country.

[Anonymous]

Make him work for it

Half and half is a joke - make him pay!

You have to have sex with him or he’ll stray

Always look your best

Lots of other toxic half-truths I learned from my first generation South American parents

I don’t disagree with them though

[Anonymous]

LOL that almost all the replies are regarding European women. There are a few other continents, you know.

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Anonymous wrote:Resilience to stress, relationship stable, very level headed and high achieving (in looks, financially and household duties). But it's subdued, not in your face. I'm also thin in my 40s and retained my attractiveness. These are the skills American men told me they notice vs US born women. Eastern European F here.

Finding it very hard to believe multiple American men have said so many highly female-coded compliments about a woman’s skills (lol). If true, they might have just been trying to get laid you know.

Both US born men I dated post divorce told me that.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL that almost all the replies are regarding European women. There are a few other continents, you know.

Most of these continents share a few of these things:

-Lower expectations of men outside of financial responsibilities. These women tend to be happier in marriages, not because their men are better, but because they expect much less and lean on family and friends for the rest. Foreign women from all over the world tend to be resigned to men being incompetent outside of work. Lol

-Similar sense of humor and bluntness Foreign women share this, no matter where they come from. Not sure why.

- Less casually dressed, in general. Jeans are often worn with semi dressy tops.

Now the difference with African women is that African women like their curves. You can see that many of their popular actresses who are considered very beautiful tend to be curvier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some observations:

First, for both genders, the foreign-born people you meet in cosmopolitan and urban social circles are HIGHLY accomplished. It is HARD to come to the US. They either have money or highly advanced skills in something.
That’s for people who came here as adults. For those who came as children, or of immigrant families, they have likely faced more adversities than Americans of similar social standing. This doesn’t just make for an interesting life story, it makes for a resilience and strength that typical Americans, especially white Americans, don’t have.

Another stereotype that is true, foreigners come to America to major in STEM (engineering or medicine) or business. They are not pursuing humanities degrees, taking out student loans, and having existential crises about it.

Attributes of foreign women have already been discussed. More secure in their femininity seems to encompass it. They also aren’t constantly trying on identities and be something else. And perhaps the hardest to hear for American women is that foreign women eat less. Yes, some American women can be more into fitness and in better shape, but this doesn’t always appeal to men(sometimes it does). As said above, the slender European woman is attractive because that look is rare here. And you don’t get there by living in a gym - a lot of it is genetics (Scandinavian and Eastern European women have longer legs and leaner figures than Brits or Anglo-Americans) you get it by eating less. They don’t eat heavy meals constantly. They do eat sweets on occasion but not every day. They will eat one substantive meal a day and the rest is tea/coffee and a salad.

Generally, foreign women are less likely to be offended or outraged by political incorrectness or bluntness.

They are also less obsessed with politics. They usually think Trump is dumb but don’t really talk about it.

European women also smoke more, that's how they stay thinner.