Elon Musk and the ADL

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Elon is simply trying to blame others for his own incompetence.

Did you build the rockets?

This is the only retort the fanbois have.

Did you create a leading EV company?

Did you save free speech?

You are a scared little person.

He didn’t do any of those things. Stop being such a butt-kisser.

I am against hate speech. I strongly support free speech. Perhaps, if the original twitter people had allowed free speech and not determined that anything political opponents said was "hate speech" we would be better off.

Remember, they banned NYPost for the laptop. That was not the only weight they threw into another scale.

ADL has gone after a Jewish orthodox woman for posting things she gathered from the internet that exposed things they did not like. All she does is repost things that are already out there. But, the things she posts are alarming to people who are clueless as to what some are doing with their kids. Ironic that she gets blamed for things the left is doing.

If you approvingly post hateful things that others have said, you are also hateful. The ADL correctly identified LibsofTiktok as the hater she is.

She retweets things she disapproves of, though. Almost exclusively, she posts things she disagrees with in order to draw eyes onto the offending thing, often without any commentary. I think this is substantively different than retweeting and amplifying hateful accounts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon is simply trying to blame others for his own incompetence.

Did you build the rockets?

This is the only retort the fanbois have.

Did you create a leading EV company?

Did you save free speech?

You are a scared little person.

He didn’t do any of those things. Stop being such a butt-kisser.

I am against hate speech. I strongly support free speech. Perhaps, if the original twitter people had allowed free speech and not determined that anything political opponents said was "hate speech" we would be better off.

Remember, they banned NYPost for the laptop. That was not the only weight they threw into another scale.

ADL has gone after a Jewish orthodox woman for posting things she gathered from the internet that exposed things they did not like. All she does is repost things that are already out there. But, the things she posts are alarming to people who are clueless as to what some are doing with their kids. Ironic that she gets blamed for things the left is doing.

If you approvingly post hateful things that others have said, you are also hateful. The ADL correctly identified LibsofTiktok as the hater she is.

She retweets things she disapproves of, though. Almost exclusively, she posts things she disagrees with in order to draw eyes onto the offending thing, often without any commentary. I think this is substantively different than retweeting and amplifying hateful accounts.

DP. That’s true b

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon is simply trying to blame others for his own incompetence.

Did you build the rockets?

This is the only retort the fanbois have.

Did you create a leading EV company?

Did you save free speech?

You are a scared little person.

He didn’t do any of those things. Stop being such a butt-kisser.

I am against hate speech. I strongly support free speech. Perhaps, if the original twitter people had allowed free speech and not determined that anything political opponents said was "hate speech" we would be better off.

Remember, they banned NYPost for the laptop. That was not the only weight they threw into another scale.

ADL has gone after a Jewish orthodox woman for posting things she gathered from the internet that exposed things they did not like. All she does is repost things that are already out there. But, the things she posts are alarming to people who are clueless as to what some are doing with their kids. Ironic that she gets blamed for things the left is doing.

If you approvingly post hateful things that others have said, you are also hateful. The ADL correctly identified LibsofTiktok as the hater she is.

She retweets things she disapproves of, though. Almost exclusively, she posts things she disagrees with in order to draw eyes onto the offending thing, often without any commentary. I think this is substantively different than retweeting and amplifying hateful accounts.

Surely these people realize that making LibsofTiktok the face of "hate" is a losing move right? Can they just not help themselves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whenever an article says:

appearing to contain antisemitic language

I dismiss it. What does that even mean? I’m a Jew and have not noticed it, either before Musk or after Musk

This is a really weird way to consume news.

Appearing is a weasel word

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whenever an article says:

appearing to contain antisemitic language

I dismiss it. What does that even mean? I’m a Jew and have not noticed it, either before Musk or after Musk

This is a really weird way to consume news.

Appearing is a weasel word

It's lawyer-speak. Cover your bases.

[Anonymous]

Back then, the ADL adhered to the values America was founded upon. It existed to protect Jews from attacks and did so within the confines of free speech values, albeit with a liberal slant. I know because after my encounter with ADL in 1987, I volunteered as an ADL legal intern. It was fun, and I did believe I was doing good. Everyone believed that. And it was true.

The ADL taught me that nastygrams from Jew haters were just the price we pay for liberty, worthy of being filed and forgotten. This is not Weimar Germany; it is America. We have a First Amendment, we have civil rights, we have a working democracy. That is part of the good we have done.

But the ADL no longer believes this. It has become part of a great online censorship machine that is being exposed day after day as an anti-free speech enterprise.

The national ADL, like the ACLU, the NAACP, and other formerly "apolitical" civil rights groups, is now merely a tax-exempt cadre of the national Democratic Party. Anyone paying any kind of attention knows this. And as the Democratic Party has moved further into the fringes of Left-wing lunacy, the ADL has moved with it—whether a Jewish "antidefamation" issue is at stake or not. The party requires it.

So it should come as no surprise that "X" (Twitter) CEO Elon Musk is now claiming the ADL has engaged in relentless efforts to delegitimize X, falsely smearing the platform and its owner for providing an antisemitic haven for "hate speech." Per Musk, the ADL has gone so far as to lean on advertisers not to do business there. No shrinking violet himself, Musk has gone as far as threatening to sue the ADL for defamation. Naturally, Musk's objections to being defamed "just prove" that Musk "really is" an antisemite.

My own disdain for the formerly righteous ADL reached a peak a few years ago, when I learned just how far its commitment to leftist dogma went. I encountered it as part of my work as a lawyer who does both defamation and free speech litigation. Trying to get my arms around the ways smear groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center go about deplatforming disfavored personalities, I kept bumping into the same rogue's gallery, and ADL was, far more often than not, part of the pro-censorship coalition.

[Anonymous]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/08/twitter-advertisers-dont-want-nazi-problem

X is losing advertisers because large companies dont want to see their ads next to Nazi materials, plain and simple. the Musk gutted the company and all the checks that were there before to prevent this from happening. he is running X into the ground and trying to blame others. also, he is not going to sue ADL, he is just making noise for his supporters (in this he is like Trump)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whenever an article says:

appearing to contain antisemitic language

I dismiss it. What does that even mean? I’m a Jew and have not noticed it, either before Musk or after Musk

This is a really weird way to consume news.

Appearing is a weasel word

It's lawyer-speak. Cover your bases.

+1 Obviously. It’s strange in this thread about defamation that the PP doesn’t realize this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Back then, the ADL adhered to the values America was founded upon. It existed to protect Jews from attacks and did so within the confines of free speech values, albeit with a liberal slant. I know because after my encounter with ADL in 1987, I volunteered as an ADL legal intern. It was fun, and I did believe I was doing good. Everyone believed that. And it was true.

The ADL taught me that nastygrams from Jew haters were just the price we pay for liberty, worthy of being filed and forgotten. This is not Weimar Germany; it is America. We have a First Amendment, we have civil rights, we have a working democracy. That is part of the good we have done.

But the ADL no longer believes this. It has become part of a great online censorship machine that is being exposed day after day as an anti-free speech enterprise.

The national ADL, like the ACLU, the NAACP, and other formerly "apolitical" civil rights groups, is now merely a tax-exempt cadre of the national Democratic Party. Anyone paying any kind of attention knows this. And as the Democratic Party has moved further into the fringes of Left-wing lunacy, the ADL has moved with it—whether a Jewish "antidefamation" issue is at stake or not. The party requires it.

So it should come as no surprise that "X" (Twitter) CEO Elon Musk is now claiming the ADL has engaged in relentless efforts to delegitimize X, falsely smearing the platform and its owner for providing an antisemitic haven for "hate speech." Per Musk, the ADL has gone so far as to lean on advertisers not to do business there. No shrinking violet himself, Musk has gone as far as threatening to sue the ADL for defamation. Naturally, Musk's objections to being defamed "just prove" that Musk "really is" an antisemite.

My own disdain for the formerly righteous ADL reached a peak a few years ago, when I learned just how far its commitment to leftist dogma went. I encountered it as part of my work as a lawyer who does both defamation and free speech litigation. Trying to get my arms around the ways smear groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center go about deplatforming disfavored personalities, I kept bumping into the same rogue's gallery, and ADL was, far more often than not, part of the pro-censorship coalition.

Newsweek is MAGA trash.

[Anonymous]

"This is quite an extraordinary situation and shows how the Overton window has slide on the topic of anti-Semitism. If you will remember, early in the Musk era of Twitter, Kanye West was suspended from Twitter because of anti-Semitism. West was recently allowed back on the platform. In the meantime, Musk has been platforming and promoting Nazis. Now he is arguably engaging in anti-Semitism himself, scapegoating Jews for his own failures. "

Sysadmin - explain this.

Musk is not "scapegoating" Jews at all. Free speech to controlled speech is a whole spectrum with infinite points on it, and people can be in any camp from locking down and deleting accounts to taking the view that the provider is not responsible for the content of posters.

Musk has not been promoting Nazis. Do you even know what a Nazi is? Do we have anyone in this country sending anyone to camps to be exterminated? I take great offense at you cheapening the events of the mid-1930's to the mid-1940's to underscore political differences.

Furthermore, I would like to get your view on CNN firing Jeffrey Toobin and then rehiring him eight months later. Does that mean CNN is engaging in sexual-harassment themselves?

My final question you, Sysadmin: Why did you feel it necessary to open this can of worms? The whole premise is offensive.

[Anonymous]

Musk can't keep his dumb mouth shut.

My Jewish MIL literally just canceled her Tesla order today. It was going to be her first EV. But she's been a financial supporter of the ADL for 40+ years and she's not going to support a dude who attacks the ADL and blames them for the failure of his company.

The problem with Elon is that he arrogantly thinks people are stupid and if they just listened to him they would come around to his "correct" understanding of any particular issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Musk can't keep his dumb mouth shut.

My Jewish MIL literally just canceled her Tesla order today. It was going to be her first EV. But she's been a financial supporter of the ADL for 40+ years and she's not going to support a dude who attacks the ADL and blames them for the failure of his company.

The problem with Elon is that he arrogantly thinks people are stupid and if they just listened to him they would come around to his "correct" understanding of any particular issue.

I'm the PP. Fine, your MIL canceled her Tesla. I would not have bought on in the first place, but that's because of the high subsidies to Musk at the expense of the tax payer.

BTW, I was at a Wawa in Manassas today with a row of five Tesla chargers at the station. Not a single one being used.

But that was a great government mandate with tax payer subsidies to install. /sarcasm

We couldn't have spent that money better on other things, huh? I'm sure Tesla and the employees enjoy the benefits of those corporate subsidies by force of government, but I don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whenever an article says:

appearing to contain antisemitic language

I dismiss it. What does that even mean? I’m a Jew and have not noticed it, either before Musk or after Musk

This is a really weird way to consume news.

Appearing is a weasel word

It's lawyer-speak. Cover your bases.

Allows lying

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"This is quite an extraordinary situation and shows how the Overton window has slide on the topic of anti-Semitism. If you will remember, early in the Musk era of Twitter, Kanye West was suspended from Twitter because of anti-Semitism. West was recently allowed back on the platform. In the meantime, Musk has been platforming and promoting Nazis. Now he is arguably engaging in anti-Semitism himself, scapegoating Jews for his own failures. "

Sysadmin - explain this.

Musk is not "scapegoating" Jews at all. Free speech to controlled speech is a whole spectrum with infinite points on it, and people can be in any camp from locking down and deleting accounts to taking the view that the provider is not responsible for the content of posters.

Musk has not been promoting Nazis. Do you even know what a Nazi is? Do we have anyone in this country sending anyone to camps to be exterminated? I take great offense at you cheapening the events of the mid-1930's to the mid-1940's to underscore political differences.

Furthermore, I would like to get your view on CNN firing Jeffrey Toobin and then rehiring him eight months later. Does that mean CNN is engaging in sexual-harassment themselves?

My final question you, Sysadmin: Why did you feel it necessary to open this can of worms? The whole premise is offensive.

+100

It is quite something how progressives are so eager to shut down speech.
Traditional liberals used to be champions of free speech. Those days are long gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Musk can't keep his dumb mouth shut.

My Jewish MIL literally just canceled her Tesla order today. It was going to be her first EV. But she's been a financial supporter of the ADL for 40+ years and she's not going to support a dude who attacks the ADL and blames them for the failure of his company.

The problem with Elon is that he arrogantly thinks people are stupid and if they just listened to him they would come around to his "correct" understanding of any particular issue.

I'm the PP. Fine, your MIL canceled her Tesla. I would not have bought on in the first place, but that's because of the high subsidies to Musk at the expense of the tax payer.

BTW, I was at a Wawa in Manassas today with a row of five Tesla chargers at the station. Not a single one being used.

But that was a great government mandate with tax payer subsidies to install. /sarcasm

We couldn't have spent that money better on other things, huh? I'm sure Tesla and the employees enjoy the benefits of those corporate subsidies by force of government, but I don't.