If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Male
4.0 (top the private gives)
Valedictorian
35 ACT/36 on retry submitted
Eagle Scout, Boys Nation; congressional intern; class president
College courses taken during summers at NVCC in the sciences with As
Applied for aerospace engineering to Princeton. (SCEA), Georgia Tech (EA), Purdue, UVA, got in all three state schools EA, deferred on SCEA to Princeton. Then went for selected Ivies for RD where he had legacy status or thought he had a shot at engineering. Waitlisted.

Where did they end up?

[Anonymous]

91 avg at private that grade deflates and does not weight or compute GPA, 35 ACT, strong ECs but nothing national level and no hooks. Applied ED.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:- what were their stats
- did they apply Test Optional
- did they have a hook (athletic recruit, first gen etc)
- did they apply ED

Just trying to understand what’s really possible. Our school’s SCOIR data includes students from many years ago.

How about this, tell us your kid's stats and we will tell you if it is possible.

+1. Much faster. Give us your kid's stats as well as what state they are in and what type of school they are attending (public, independent, parochial). We will chance them.

Ok
4.0 UW / 4.7 W
1560 SAT (one time , no superscore)
5s on AP exams taken so far
12 APs , plus 2 years post BC Calc math (multi var calc and DifEq / linear Alg)
4 years varsity in one sport (but not recruited)
National qualifier in an academic Ec
Exceptional ECs in 2 areas w lots of initiative/ leadership and service

M or F
Interested in STEM or nonSTEM
The stats are high enough…no college cares about a 1600 vs a 1560.

If M and non-STEM, competitive at any school.

There is no such thing as Exceptional ECs…there are “real” ECs like competitive debate and BS ECs like Honor Society. Tons that are in between at which a kid can do exceptional things even though the EC is nothing unusual.

Female
Real ECs - like debate , robotics , service, research, sports
Has diverse interests - could be STEM plus something non-STEM

Real ECs? People have gone bat sh*t crazy around here. Truly.

STEM for females has much higher admission chances, in general.

This isn’t true. At least two thirds of the students at my 2023 dd’s all girls school applied as stem majors. I imagine that is representative of girls everywhere.

Same at my daughter's girls school but they were almost all pre-med biology or neuroscience majors. only a handful (less than 5) had taken calculus physics or computer science and less than 10 took calc BC. So the majority were "STEM lite."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:91 avg at private that grade deflates and does not weight or compute GPA, 35 ACT, strong ECs but nothing national level and no hooks. Applied ED.

ED is a hook and so is going to a private school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:4.87W, 15 APs
1490 and submitted it
No real hooks
Applied ED

WOW!

[Anonymous]

Big 3
Average grade, averace EC
Not an athlete not a legacy
1480 SAT
ED

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Big 3
Average grade, averace EC
Not an athlete not a legacy
1480 SAT
ED

This proves the above PP's point - big 3 is the hook.

[Anonymous]

Can people add ED1 versus 2? For several of the Big 3 admits, I know they got dinged REA or ED1 and then went ED2 (with Chicago being a school a large number have ended up at post pandemic).

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Anonymous wrote:- what were their stats
- did they apply Test Optional
- did they have a hook (athletic recruit, first gen etc)
- did they apply ED

Just trying to understand what’s really possible. Our school’s SCOIR data includes students from many years ago.

How about this, tell us your kid's stats and we will tell you if it is possible.

+1. Much faster. Give us your kid's stats as well as what state they are in and what type of school they are attending (public, independent, parochial). We will chance them.

Ok
4.0 UW / 4.7 W
1560 SAT (one time , no superscore)
5s on AP exams taken so far
12 APs , plus 2 years post BC Calc math (multi var calc and DifEq / linear Alg)
4 years varsity in one sport (but not recruited)
National qualifier in an academic Ec
Exceptional ECs in 2 areas w lots of initiative/ leadership and service

M or F
Interested in STEM or nonSTEM
The stats are high enough…no college cares about a 1600 vs a 1560.

If M and non-STEM, competitive at any school.

There is no such thing as Exceptional ECs…there are “real” ECs like competitive debate and BS ECs like Honor Society. Tons that are in between at which a kid can do exceptional things even though the EC is nothing unusual.

Female
Real ECs - like debate , robotics , service, research, sports
Has diverse interests - could be STEM plus something non-STEM

Real ECs? People have gone bat sh*t crazy around here. Truly.

STEM for females has much higher admission chances, in general.

This isn’t true. At least two thirds of the students at my 2023 dd’s all girls school applied as stem majors. I imagine that is representative of girls everywhere.

Same at my daughter's girls school but they were almost all pre-med biology or neuroscience majors. only a handful (less than 5) had taken calculus physics or computer science and less than 10 took calc BC. So the majority were "STEM lite."

Good number of female computer science majors coming from my dd’s school. Calculus is a graduation requirement so every girl takes some version of it, and about 10 percent of grade takes bc as a junior, another 20-30percent take bc as seniors. Girls interested in computer science take the AP class, typically as juniors, then an advanced seminar in computer science as seniors,

I’m sure girls coming from stem magnets or the better public schoo,shave all these classes and more.

What you are claiming simply isn’t true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- what were their stats
- did they apply Test Optional
- did they have a hook (athletic recruit, first gen etc)
- did they apply ED

Just trying to understand what’s really possible. Our school’s SCOIR data includes students from many years ago.

DS didn't apply in last year but fairly recent. Stats perfect. High test scores, both leadership and follower ship whatever was required , dedicated activities with good performance. Did EA at an ivy, didn't ED anywhere. Got into 4/10 T25, he applied to but not where he did EA.

Niece did this year, similar resume, actually even more competitive and more awards , didn't get into any T25, even not her EA.

Its a crap shot. I say do ED, don't waste your shot on EA, unless you are under or overprivileged, doesn't work for middle class.

I only have anecdata, but think gender also a factor in competitive admissions. High achieving DD graduated '22 and got into a SLAC ED - wanted that scene. Her close female friends in the same highest track STEM classes, etc, who would've been higher ranked than her if the school ranked, were deferred, then rejected @ T25 schools (they wanted that scene), etc while their male counterparts all got in either REA/ED or @ RD after being deferred. One of her friends was probably #1 in class @ an independent school. Ended up at a NESCAC.

Everyone who came off deferred @ a T25 for RD was a guy.

When your DC is a lifer at an independent school, they know each other's stats and, as a parent, you're friends with their parents, so you know what these kids do for ECs, etc. so it's not necessarily one of those "well, you don't really know that about them" scene.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- what were their stats
- did they apply Test Optional
- did they have a hook (athletic recruit, first gen etc)
- did they apply ED

Just trying to understand what’s really possible. Our school’s SCOIR data includes students from many years ago.

How about this, tell us your kid's stats and we will tell you if it is possible.

+1. Much faster. Give us your kid's stats as well as what state they are in and what type of school they are attending (public, independent, parochial). We will chance them.

Ok
4.0 UW / 4.7 W
1560 SAT (one time , no superscore)
5s on AP exams taken so far
12 APs , plus 2 years post BC Calc math (multi var calc and DifEq / linear Alg)
4 years varsity in one sport (but not recruited)
National qualifier in an academic Ec
Exceptional ECs in 2 areas w lots of initiative/ leadership and service

M or F
Interested in STEM or nonSTEM
The stats are high enough…no college cares about a 1600 vs a 1560.

If M and non-STEM, competitive at any school.

There is no such thing as Exceptional ECs…there are “real” ECs like competitive debate and BS ECs like Honor Society. Tons that are in between at which a kid can do exceptional things even though the EC is nothing unusual.

Female
Real ECs - like debate , robotics , service, research, sports
Has diverse interests - could be STEM plus something non-STEM

Real ECs? People have gone bat sh*t crazy around here. Truly.

STEM for females has much higher admission chances, in general.

This isn’t true. At least two thirds of the students at my 2023 dd’s all girls school applied as stem majors. I imagine that is representative of girls everywhere.

Same at my daughter's girls school but they were almost all pre-med biology or neuroscience majors. only a handful (less than 5) had taken calculus physics or computer science and less than 10 took calc BC. So the majority were "STEM lite."

Good number of female computer science majors coming from my dd’s school. Calculus is a graduation requirement so every girl takes some version of it, and about 10 percent of grade takes bc as a junior, another 20-30percent take bc as seniors. Girls interested in computer science take the AP class, typically as juniors, then an advanced seminar in computer science as seniors,

I’m sure girls coming from stem magnets or the better public schoo,shave all these classes and more.

What you are claiming simply isn’t true

For some reason, people keep claiming there is no a mismatch in overall applications between Male and Female for CS and engineering. I mean the stats are out there, and there clearly is regardless of anyone's personal anecdotes. Here are the recent stats:

"Only 20 percent of computer science and 22 percent of engineering undergraduate degrees in the U.S. go to women" from Scientific American in 2022.

This is not because it starts out 50/50 and all the women are dropping out. It is because they are not pursuing it in college from the start.

So, yes, women will get a slight admissions bump if interested in these fields while men are getting a bump if they are interested in classic humanities (english, history, philosophy) type majors.

[Anonymous]

With public school grade inflation the most important data is SAT/ACT even in TO. Showing you have a high standardized test and high GPA in honors means a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Male
4.0 (top the private gives)
Valedictorian
35 ACT/36 on retry submitted
Eagle Scout, Boys Nation; congressional intern; class president
College courses taken during summers at NVCC in the sciences with As
Applied for aerospace engineering to Princeton. (SCEA), Georgia Tech (EA), Purdue, UVA, got in all three state schools EA, deferred on SCEA to Princeton. Then went for selected Ivies for RD where he had legacy status or thought he had a shot at engineering. Waitlisted.

Where did they end up?

UVA and loves it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Male
4.0 (top the private gives)
Valedictorian
35 ACT/36 on retry submitted
Eagle Scout, Boys Nation; congressional intern; class president
College courses taken during summers at NVCC in the sciences with As
Applied for aerospace engineering to Princeton. (SCEA), Georgia Tech (EA), Purdue, UVA, got in all three state schools EA, deferred on SCEA to Princeton. Then went for selected Ivies for RD where he had legacy status or thought he had a shot at engineering. Waitlisted.

Where did they end up?

UVA and loves it

We are not talking about schools with over 20% acceptance rate in general. Context.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Male
4.0 (top the private gives)
Valedictorian
35 ACT/36 on retry submitted
Eagle Scout, Boys Nation; congressional intern; class president
College courses taken during summers at NVCC in the sciences with As
Applied for aerospace engineering to Princeton. (SCEA), Georgia Tech (EA), Purdue, UVA, got in all three state schools EA, deferred on SCEA to Princeton. Then went for selected Ivies for RD where he had legacy status or thought he had a shot at engineering. Waitlisted.

Where did they end up?

UVA and loves it

We are not talking about schools with over 20% acceptance rate in general. Context.

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