Lancaster puppies...

[Anonymous]

I don’t understand why it’s better for lots of families to have irresponsibly bred pitbulls because they “adopted” them when adopting them REDUCES PRESSURE TO ELIMINATE THE BREEDING. The Southern states don’t have to deal with their problem because there is a pipeline for the puppies to be bought/adopted and people willing to facilitate it in the name or “rescue.” So why would they change their policies? This is a 100% regional problem.

Then, once you had spay/neuter laws in the NE that were effective, the rescue people used “adopt don’t shop” to shame all the people would COULD have supported responsible breeding of family pets. So what’s left in the breeder market is more people who probably don’t want to look closely at the breeder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why it’s better for lots of families to have irresponsibly bred pitbulls because they “adopted” them when adopting them REDUCES PRESSURE TO ELIMINATE THE BREEDING. The Southern states don’t have to deal with their problem because there is a pipeline for the puppies to be bought/adopted and people willing to facilitate it in the name or “rescue.” So why would they change their policies? This is a 100% regional problem.

Then, once you had spay/neuter laws in the NE that were effective, the rescue people used “adopt don’t shop” to shame all the people would COULD have supported responsible breeding of family pets. So what’s left in the breeder market is more people who probably don’t want to look closely at the breeder.

You are still shopping and buying from rescues and where sone of the rescues get the dogs is equally sketchy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people complain about “irresponsible breeders” but the same people:

a) support a “rescue” industry that in turn supports hugely irresponsible breeding of pit bulls and other dogs all across the South

b) do nothing to help people navigate and find “reputable” breeders

So I’ve come to the conclusion that there’s very little regular people can do except get a dog and hope for the best.

The rescues are a business of buying and selling dogs as well. They make it very easy for people to get and dump pets as they resell the pets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Same/same.

Both adopters are paying for their dog. Both fees cover the expenses of caring for the dog or puppy.

The fact that one dog was in a bad situation doesn’t negate that both dogs are adopted into their new homes.

Incorrect.
Rescue orgs are generally non-profit. The adoption fees go into caring and rescuing other dogs. For example, a puppy at a rescue doesn't cost them $500, but that fee goes towards the surgery for the dog they just picked up that was hit by a car. That fee goes towards medications for the elderly dog that was abandoned because the owner cant afford medication. All of those fees go back into the rescue to help care for and save other dogs. For-profit organizations do not do this.

And I'm not anti-breeder. GOOD breeders are doing really good things. GOOD breeders are breeding health back into breeds like pugs/bostons/frenchies - dogs that have been so poorly bred that they can barely go for a walk without hyperventilating. Good breeders care for their animals, and have contracts to return the dog to them if you can no longer care for it. Good breeders are testing for medical issues and alerting you up front.

I do think there should be better resources for people to find the good breeders. I understand that a rescue isnt for everyone. But resorting to puppy mills and supporting animal cruelty is not the answer.

Again, they are no different from a breeder charging for services. Only difference is they get tax benefits and donations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Some of the rescue fees are close to breeder fees so better off at a breeder.

Even if that's so, there is a substantive difference.

No, it’s not different. Both are in the business of selling animals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Same/same.

Both adopters are paying for their dog. Both fees cover the expenses of caring for the dog or puppy.

The fact that one dog was in a bad situation doesn’t negate that both dogs are adopted into their new homes.

Incorrect.
Rescue orgs are generally non-profit. The adoption fees go into caring and rescuing other dogs. For example, a puppy at a rescue doesn't cost them $500, but that fee goes towards the surgery for the dog they just picked up that was hit by a car. That fee goes towards medications for the elderly dog that was abandoned because the owner cant afford medication. All of those fees go back into the rescue to help care for and save other dogs. For-profit organizations do not do this.

And I'm not anti-breeder. GOOD breeders are doing really good things. GOOD breeders are breeding health back into breeds like pugs/bostons/frenchies - dogs that have been so poorly bred that they can barely go for a walk without hyperventilating. Good breeders care for their animals, and have contracts to return the dog to them if you can no longer care for it. Good breeders are testing for medical issues and alerting you up front.

I do think there should be better resources for people to find the good breeders. I understand that a rescue isnt for everyone. But resorting to puppy mills and supporting animal cruelty is not the answer.

Again, they are no different from a breeder charging for services. Only difference is they get tax benefits and donations.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. They are taking in unwanted dogs, caring for them and giving them a good home. They aren't making a profit to buy a nice home, they are using that money to save more unwanted dogs. To me a for-profit business is not the same as a charity/non-profit.

I'm not familiar with the south and pit bulls (not sure if that was your post or not), so I cant really comment on that. The rescues I work with mainly deal with reserve dogs. There is a large trap neuter/spay return aspect for their owned animals who run free, so at least they aren't procreating, which helps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Same/same.

Both adopters are paying for their dog. Both fees cover the expenses of caring for the dog or puppy.

The fact that one dog was in a bad situation doesn’t negate that both dogs are adopted into their new homes.

Incorrect.
Rescue orgs are generally non-profit. The adoption fees go into caring and rescuing other dogs. For example, a puppy at a rescue doesn't cost them $500, but that fee goes towards the surgery for the dog they just picked up that was hit by a car. That fee goes towards medications for the elderly dog that was abandoned because the owner cant afford medication. All of those fees go back into the rescue to help care for and save other dogs. For-profit organizations do not do this.

And I'm not anti-breeder. GOOD breeders are doing really good things. GOOD breeders are breeding health back into breeds like pugs/bostons/frenchies - dogs that have been so poorly bred that they can barely go for a walk without hyperventilating. Good breeders care for their animals, and have contracts to return the dog to them if you can no longer care for it. Good breeders are testing for medical issues and alerting you up front.

I do think there should be better resources for people to find the good breeders. I understand that a rescue isnt for everyone. But resorting to puppy mills and supporting animal cruelty is not the answer.

I agree with every word, and I’m the PP you replied to.

I still think in both situations the families are adopting a dog. I have two dogs from two responsible breeders who don’t advertise, but are found word of mouth through the show circuit.

I’m not sure where you disagree with me.

[PP]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Same/same.

Both adopters are paying for their dog. Both fees cover the expenses of caring for the dog or puppy.

The fact that one dog was in a bad situation doesn’t negate that both dogs are adopted into their new homes.

Incorrect.
Rescue orgs are generally non-profit. The adoption fees go into caring and rescuing other dogs. For example, a puppy at a rescue doesn't cost them $500, but that fee goes towards the surgery for the dog they just picked up that was hit by a car. That fee goes towards medications for the elderly dog that was abandoned because the owner cant afford medication. All of those fees go back into the rescue to help care for and save other dogs. For-profit organizations do not do this.

And I'm not anti-breeder. GOOD breeders are doing really good things. GOOD breeders are breeding health back into breeds like pugs/bostons/frenchies - dogs that have been so poorly bred that they can barely go for a walk without hyperventilating. Good breeders care for their animals, and have contracts to return the dog to them if you can no longer care for it. Good breeders are testing for medical issues and alerting you up front.

I do think there should be better resources for people to find the good breeders. I understand that a rescue isnt for everyone. But resorting to puppy mills and supporting animal cruelty is not the answer.

I agree with every word, and I’m the PP you replied to.

I still think in both situations the families are adopting a dog. I have two dogs from two responsible breeders who don’t advertise, but are found word of mouth through the show circuit.

I’m not sure where you disagree with me.

[PP]

You purchased a commodity, did not adopt. Your dog was born to put $$ in the breeders pocket. I think "adopt" should be saved for rescues. I think I got side tracked from the various posts rather than discussing the terminology. I'm glad you bought from a responsible breeder though! Now, pics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please leave ‘adopting’ for rescues. I know all y’all with your purebreds (or breeder mutts aka doodles) want to feel better about contributing to the trade, but just please, leave the term adopting for rescues.

You bought your puppy.
-rescue foster mom

Says the person calling herself a “mom.”

[Anonymous]

Rather a puppy mill than pit bulls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rather a puppy mill than pit bulls.

yikes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Same/same.

Both adopters are paying for their dog. Both fees cover the expenses of caring for the dog or puppy.

The fact that one dog was in a bad situation doesn’t negate that both dogs are adopted into their new homes.

Incorrect.
Rescue orgs are generally non-profit. The adoption fees go into caring and rescuing other dogs. For example, a puppy at a rescue doesn't cost them $500, but that fee goes towards the surgery for the dog they just picked up that was hit by a car. That fee goes towards medications for the elderly dog that was abandoned because the owner cant afford medication. All of those fees go back into the rescue to help care for and save other dogs. For-profit organizations do not do this.

And I'm not anti-breeder. GOOD breeders are doing really good things. GOOD breeders are breeding health back into breeds like pugs/bostons/frenchies - dogs that have been so poorly bred that they can barely go for a walk without hyperventilating. Good breeders care for their animals, and have contracts to return the dog to them if you can no longer care for it. Good breeders are testing for medical issues and alerting you up front.

I do think there should be better resources for people to find the good breeders. I understand that a rescue isnt for everyone. But resorting to puppy mills and supporting animal cruelty is not the answer.

I agree with every word, and I’m the PP you replied to.

I still think in both situations the families are adopting a dog. I have two dogs from two responsible breeders who don’t advertise, but are found word of mouth through the show circuit.

I’m not sure where you disagree with me.

[PP]

You purchased a commodity, did not adopt. Your dog was born to put $$ in the breeders pocket. I think "adopt" should be saved for rescues. I think I got side tracked from the various posts rather than discussing the terminology. I'm glad you bought from a responsible breeder though! Now, pics?

Did you adopt your kids by that logic too?

These rescues aren't generally rescuing dogs except a rare situation where they are found. They are often taking them from shelters and other places and rehoming them for a profit. That's no different than a breeder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Same/same.

Both adopters are paying for their dog. Both fees cover the expenses of caring for the dog or puppy.

The fact that one dog was in a bad situation doesn’t negate that both dogs are adopted into their new homes.

Incorrect.
Rescue orgs are generally non-profit. The adoption fees go into caring and rescuing other dogs. For example, a puppy at a rescue doesn't cost them $500, but that fee goes towards the surgery for the dog they just picked up that was hit by a car. That fee goes towards medications for the elderly dog that was abandoned because the owner cant afford medication. All of those fees go back into the rescue to help care for and save other dogs. For-profit organizations do not do this.

And I'm not anti-breeder. GOOD breeders are doing really good things. GOOD breeders are breeding health back into breeds like pugs/bostons/frenchies - dogs that have been so poorly bred that they can barely go for a walk without hyperventilating. Good breeders care for their animals, and have contracts to return the dog to them if you can no longer care for it. Good breeders are testing for medical issues and alerting you up front.

I do think there should be better resources for people to find the good breeders. I understand that a rescue isnt for everyone. But resorting to puppy mills and supporting animal cruelty is not the answer.

I agree with every word, and I’m the PP you replied to.

I still think in both situations the families are adopting a dog. I have two dogs from two responsible breeders who don’t advertise, but are found word of mouth through the show circuit.

I’m not sure where you disagree with me.

[PP]

You purchased a commodity, did not adopt. Your dog was born to put $$ in the breeders pocket. I think "adopt" should be saved for rescues. I think I got side tracked from the various posts rather than discussing the terminology. I'm glad you bought from a responsible breeder though! Now, pics?

Responsible breeders breed for the betterment of the breed—not to “put money in the breeders pocket.”

Responsible breeders aren’t the same as backyard breeders. Clearly you don’t know what you're talking about.

You can “think” all you want about the word adopt, but it isn’t reserved for rescues.

[PP]

[Anonymous]

Perversely, some of the rescues do purchase dogs from breeders, and then “adopt” them. So the lines are blurry no matter how you slice it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Same/same.

Both adopters are paying for their dog. Both fees cover the expenses of caring for the dog or puppy.

The fact that one dog was in a bad situation doesn’t negate that both dogs are adopted into their new homes.

Incorrect.
Rescue orgs are generally non-profit. The adoption fees go into caring and rescuing other dogs. For example, a puppy at a rescue doesn't cost them $500, but that fee goes towards the surgery for the dog they just picked up that was hit by a car. That fee goes towards medications for the elderly dog that was abandoned because the owner cant afford medication. All of those fees go back into the rescue to help care for and save other dogs. For-profit organizations do not do this.

And I'm not anti-breeder. GOOD breeders are doing really good things. GOOD breeders are breeding health back into breeds like pugs/bostons/frenchies - dogs that have been so poorly bred that they can barely go for a walk without hyperventilating. Good breeders care for their animals, and have contracts to return the dog to them if you can no longer care for it. Good breeders are testing for medical issues and alerting you up front.

I do think there should be better resources for people to find the good breeders. I understand that a rescue isnt for everyone. But resorting to puppy mills and supporting animal cruelty is not the answer.

I agree with every word, and I’m the PP you replied to.

I still think in both situations the families are adopting a dog. I have two dogs from two responsible breeders who don’t advertise, but are found word of mouth through the show circuit.

I’m not sure where you disagree with me.

[PP]

You purchased a commodity, did not adopt. Your dog was born to put $$ in the breeders pocket. I think "adopt" should be saved for rescues. I think I got side tracked from the various posts rather than discussing the terminology. I'm glad you bought from a responsible breeder though! Now, pics?

Did you adopt your kids by that logic too?

These rescues aren't generally rescuing dogs except a rare situation where they are found. They are often taking them from shelters and other places and rehoming them for a profit. That's no different than a breeder.

They take them from high kill shelters and offer them a chance at a home before they are put down, and they aren't making a profit. I've also never heard of rescues buying dogs from breeders and then rehoming them? It might happen, I dont know every rescue, but that doesn't happen with any of the ones I'm involved with.

So no, not the same.