7/24/23 Trial of Usman Shahid -- driver who killed two Oakton teens

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Is this the guy on the front page of the WaPo today?

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

Yet the drunk (rich) kid in McLean, who killed the other high school student only got house arrest.

I'm beginning to see why kids in the DC area have little fear of consequences for irresponsible and criminal behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the guy on the front page of the WaPo today?

Can you hold the paper closer to the camera? I can't see it.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

+1 as he should have...or more.

10 years for a non-criminal for an accident is more than enough. 10 years is not a joke. He could be raped or murdered in prison. Not a light sentence at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

+1 as he should have...or more.

10 years for a non-criminal for an accident is more than enough. 10 years is not a joke. He could be raped or murdered in prison. Not a light sentence at all.

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Non-criminal? YES! The person in that story was a criminal! Drinking and driving is a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

+1 as he should have...or more.

10 years for a non-criminal for an accident is more than enough. 10 years is not a joke. He could be raped or murdered in prison. Not a light sentence at all.

NP here
Non-criminal? YES! The person in that story was a criminal! Drinking and driving is a crime.

Actual career criminals who are not trying to get a college education get less than 10 years for violent and intentional attacks all the time. 10 years is serious time for an 18 year old.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

+1 as he should have...or more.

10 years for a non-criminal for an accident is more than enough. 10 years is not a joke. He could be raped or murdered in prison. Not a light sentence at all.

NP here
Non-criminal? YES! The person in that story was a criminal! Drinking and driving is a crime.

Actual career criminals who are not trying to get a college education get less than 10 years for violent and intentional attacks all the time. 10 years is serious time for an 18 year old.

So sentences should be based on a sliding scale of how old you are?

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

+1 as he should have...or more.

10 years for a non-criminal for an accident is more than enough. 10 years is not a joke. He could be raped or murdered in prison. Not a light sentence at all.

NP here
Non-criminal? YES! The person in that story was a criminal! Drinking and driving is a crime.

Actual career criminals who are not trying to get a college education get less than 10 years for violent and intentional attacks all the time. 10 years is serious time for an 18 year old.

So sentences should be based on a sliding scale of how old you are?

That’s preposterous! The sliding scale should only be wealth-based!

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

+1 as he should have...or more.

10 years for a non-criminal for an accident is more than enough. 10 years is not a joke. He could be raped or murdered in prison. Not a light sentence at all.

NP here
Non-criminal? YES! The person in that story was a criminal! Drinking and driving is a crime.

Actual career criminals who are not trying to get a college education get less than 10 years for violent and intentional attacks all the time. 10 years is serious time for an 18 year old.

So sentences should be based on a sliding scale of how old you are?

That’s preposterous! The sliding scale should only be wealth-based!

That does make more sense. The wealthy have more to contribute to society, so they should serve shorter sentences so that they are able to keep sharing their wealth and knowledge.

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So does anyone actually know if The trial is happening this week? ffx county does not have their circuit court records online.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

+1 as he should have...or more.

10 years for a non-criminal for an accident is more than enough. 10 years is not a joke. He could be raped or murdered in prison. Not a light sentence at all.

You know what's really not a "light sentence?" Being killed by a speeding and/or drunk driver is a forever sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

Yet the drunk (rich) kid in McLean, who killed the other high school student only got house arrest.

I'm beginning to see why kids in the DC area have little fear of consequences for irresponsible and criminal behavior.

Fairfax Commonwealth Attorney office encourage this criminal behavior by not prosecuting these crimes. A half of the office are not even trial attorneys, just posters for the prosecutors. November is a chance to vote for an alternative.

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Anonymous wrote:So does anyone actually know if The trial is happening this week? ffx county does not have their circuit court records online.

I’m surprised how little info there is given the high publicity of the crash. I would have expected some media coverage. Even the Change petition hasn’t been updated.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

Yet the drunk (rich) kid in McLean, who killed the other high school student only got house arrest.

I'm beginning to see why kids in the DC area have little fear of consequences for irresponsible and criminal behavior.

Fairfax Commonwealth Attorney office encourage this criminal behavior by not prosecuting these crimes. A half of the office are not even trial attorneys, just posters for the prosecutors. November is a chance to vote for an alternative.

Are you saying that half of FCA's office is made up of social media posters? Like 10 attorneys and 10 social media personnel? That doesn't make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this before but will repeat it. Don’t hold your breath that this individual will get a long sentence. I know an adult who was very drunk and killed two people with their car and got just three years of jail time.

Three years seems probable for a plea agreement. But he’s taking this to a jury so I assume he’s risking five to ten.

An accident? He didn’t oops slip on a banana peel. He knowingly drove recklessly.
A judge would give only 3 years for killing 2 innocent victims?! No wonder people aren't afraid to speed. No real consequences. Shameful.

If your murder weapon is a car, it’s an automatic reduced sentence.

Good way of putting it. Recklessly fire a gun and you’ll get 20+, but drive a car at 81 past a school and no one cares as much.

Well, no, if you were firing a gun in target practice and not careful to clear the area first or something like that and killed someone as a result, you would not get 20 in that situation either. Let's remember this was an 18 year old without a fully developed frontal lobe. Not saying he does not deserve years in prison, but people talking about the death penalty and life in prison are crazy. It was an accident. A reckless accident for sure, but there was no intent to murder.

Exactly what is a person's intent when they drive 81 mph in a 35 mph zone? Unless he is intellectually challenged, he knew what could happen and did not care.

When I was just out of high school, a kid from my class was hit by a drunk driver as the kid was walking around his car to be the DD. The guy was charged with 2nd degree murder - when you drink as much as that guy did, you are knowingly brandishing a deadly weapon. I just googled and he ended up being convincted of involuntary manslaughter - he got 10 years in prison.

+1 as he should have...or more.

10 years for a non-criminal for an accident is more than enough. 10 years is not a joke. He could be raped or murdered in prison. Not a light sentence at all.

NP here
Non-criminal? YES! The person in that story was a criminal! Drinking and driving is a crime.

Actual career criminals who are not trying to get a college education get less than 10 years for violent and intentional attacks all the time. 10 years is serious time for an 18 year old.

So? He’ll still have the rest of his life. His victims won’t.