Will Woodward be on par with Whitman and Churchill?

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Anonymous wrote:In mcps par is an acronym for peer assisted review and is extra review process and paper work for new teachers. If new teachers are allowed to be taken advantage with extra work on top of their unpaid overtime then everyone should feel what it's like to be taken advantage of with unpaid overtime in the PAR process. It doesn't feel good or supported when you have no support and expect extra free work out of your employees and then automatically have them in a punitive system designed to move you closer to the exit door the day you start. The unbalanced power structure in mcps creates alot of problems including admin trying to leverage this dynamic to get teachers to falsley inflate the data or else mentality. Sure pure the bastards on PAR and let them know what it feels like to be powerless and helpless amongst oversized classes and poorly regulated behavior and no recourse options. It's very tough and the main cause of burnout.

Don't MCPS teachers make a lot of money compared to teachers in other counties? I think Whitman teachers are well into th 6 figures.

There is a uniform pay scale across the board. Whitman teachers don’t make more than other teachers in the county. You can look it up.

Whitman teachers make more because they have more years in the system and more advanced degrees.

fakenews

They are the best -collectively- MCPS high school teachers.

Because they have the most advantaged kids?

The best teachers have choices and, yes, they want to be around advantaged kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:results - SAT / AP / ACT and college entries

Results? A given student from a given family will have much the same "results" regardless of which MCPS high school they attend.

Naive to believe this... look at AP/IB scores across the high schools. Some schools have very low pass rates, despite their very small cohort of AP students.

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Anonymous wrote:In mcps par is an acronym for peer assisted review and is extra review process and paper work for new teachers. If new teachers are allowed to be taken advantage with extra work on top of their unpaid overtime then everyone should feel what it's like to be taken advantage of with unpaid overtime in the PAR process. It doesn't feel good or supported when you have no support and expect extra free work out of your employees and then automatically have them in a punitive system designed to move you closer to the exit door the day you start. The unbalanced power structure in mcps creates alot of problems including admin trying to leverage this dynamic to get teachers to falsley inflate the data or else mentality. Sure pure the bastards on PAR and let them know what it feels like to be powerless and helpless amongst oversized classes and poorly regulated behavior and no recourse options. It's very tough and the main cause of burnout.

Don't MCPS teachers make a lot of money compared to teachers in other counties? I think Whitman teachers are well into th 6 figures.

There is a uniform pay scale across the board. Whitman teachers don’t make more than other teachers in the county. You can look it up.

Whitman teachers make more because they have more years in the system and more advanced degrees.

fakenews

They are the best -collectively- MCPS high school teachers.

Because they have the most advantaged kids?

The best teachers have choices and, yes, they want to be around advantaged kids.

What teacher would choose to teach in a school where parents push the teachers and admin to give their kid an A or excuse their kids from exams because they are too tired from extra curricular activities?

Granted, I would not want to teach in a high FARMs school, but I also wouldn't want to teach in a school where the parents push their weight around and threaten to sue for every little thing because they have the wealth to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:results - SAT / AP / ACT and college entries

Results? A given student from a given family will have much the same "results" regardless of which MCPS high school they attend.

Naive to believe this... look at AP/IB scores across the high schools. Some schools have very low pass rates, despite their very small cohort of AP students.

Whether or not it's naive, it's factually correct.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like it will be part of the DCC. There is a reason schools are put in the consortium. It is a mechanism to give middle class parents hope that even if they buy is a lesser zone that there is hope for a better school helping to prevent economic flight as suburban poverty has crept up as the cities have become vogue again. It also allows for load balancing as numbers swing wildly when you have lots of dense low income housing in a particular area.

If lots of DCC kids end up at Woodward and it is positioned as an overflow school it will simply not be well regarded and its metrics will reflect that.

The DCC has a lot of cleanup to do. Right now, everyone flocks to Blair, Einstein and Wheaton. Those schools are over capacity and hard to get into. Northwood and Kennedy are the laggard schools and they're under capacity.

If Woodward is going to be added to the DCC, then I imagine it will just keep Kennedy and Northwood at the bottom of the pile as the less desirable schools within the DCC. So for that reason, I hope it's not in the DCC.

All the DCC are the laggard schools, a few are merely more desirable compared to the lesser options those parents are zoned to. Good schools are not part of a consortium. The county is structured this way for a reason.

Well, the best school in the county that produces the most scholars by far, the most NMSFs by far, the most winners by far, the most influential by far, the most ivies, the best college outcomes, the crown jewel of the county, is in the DCC.
The ones in the Ws (looking at you Churchill and Whitman) are the county's embarrassments.

The sad part is even you don’t believe that. But go ahead and take pride in the handful of west county kids they bus in for a magnet program designed to prop up an otherwise mediocre school. That is what the program was designed to do after all.

You know why they are no consortiums in nice areas? Because everybody already got into their first choice.

What don't I believe? These are facts, why shouldn't I believe them? I believe in facts and reality unlike you who prefer fantasies and alternate facts.

If Blair was desirable then all the west county parents would buy up the few nicer neighborhoods zoned for it in historic TP and Sligo Park hills and price most of you out. Instead they pay a premium not to send their kids to the DCC. Those are the facts. Truth is the DCC over inflates it pride as a form of sour grapes. You didn’t want those schools anyway.

Actually, they paid premium to segregate themselves but fight teeth and nails to get their kids into Blair.
Blair is the most desirable school of all of MoCo and its crown jewel.
It is what it is.

Let’s be honest, Blair just isn’t Whitman now is it?

Correct. Blair is what Whitman parents wished Whitman was. Hence the Blair envy.

6 attacks, 7 dangerous substances, 1 insubordination disruption, 3 fighting, 4 threat, 6 weapons, 26 suspensions, 23 calls to the police, 2 lockdowns at Blair?

Whitman had one safety incident, one suspension, 12 police calls (a third of which weren't crime-related)?

What exactly do Whitman parents wished it had from Blair?

I know Whitman is out of control these days. There was the kid chasing people with knives and then all the drug overdoses. The only thing that tops that are the non-stop hate crimes.

These days? Whitman has always been out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like it will be part of the DCC. There is a reason schools are put in the consortium. It is a mechanism to give middle class parents hope that even if they buy is a lesser zone that there is hope for a better school helping to prevent economic flight as suburban poverty has crept up as the cities have become vogue again. It also allows for load balancing as numbers swing wildly when you have lots of dense low income housing in a particular area.

If lots of DCC kids end up at Woodward and it is positioned as an overflow school it will simply not be well regarded and its metrics will reflect that.

The DCC has a lot of cleanup to do. Right now, everyone flocks to Blair, Einstein and Wheaton. Those schools are over capacity and hard to get into. Northwood and Kennedy are the laggard schools and they're under capacity.

If Woodward is going to be added to the DCC, then I imagine it will just keep Kennedy and Northwood at the bottom of the pile as the less desirable schools within the DCC. So for that reason, I hope it's not in the DCC.

IKR! It's Ganglania!

All the DCC are the laggard schools, a few are merely more desirable compared to the lesser options those parents are zoned to. Good schools are not part of a consortium. The county is structured this way for a reason.

Well, the best school in the county that produces the most scholars by far, the most NMSFs by far, the most winners by far, the most influential by far, the most ivies, the best college outcomes, the crown jewel of the county, is in the DCC.
The ones in the Ws (looking at you Churchill and Whitman) are the county's embarrassments.

The sad part is even you don’t believe that. But go ahead and take pride in the handful of west county kids they bus in for a magnet program designed to prop up an otherwise mediocre school. That is what the program was designed to do after all.

You know why they are no consortiums in nice areas? Because everybody already got into their first choice.

What don't I believe? These are facts, why shouldn't I believe them? I believe in facts and reality unlike you who prefer fantasies and alternate facts.

If Blair was desirable then all the west county parents would buy up the few nicer neighborhoods zoned for it in historic TP and Sligo Park hills and price most of you out. Instead they pay a premium not to send their kids to the DCC. Those are the facts. Truth is the DCC over inflates it pride as a form of sour grapes. You didn’t want those schools anyway.

Actually, they paid premium to segregate themselves but fight teeth and nails to get their kids into Blair.
Blair is the most desirable school of all of MoCo and its crown jewel.
It is what it is.

Let’s be honest, Blair just isn’t Whitman now is it?

Correct. Blair is what Whitman parents wished Whitman was. Hence the Blair envy.

6 attacks, 7 dangerous substances, 1 insubordination disruption, 3 fighting, 4 threat, 6 weapons, 26 suspensions, 23 calls to the police, 2 lockdowns at Blair?

Whitman had one safety incident, one suspension, 12 police calls (a third of which weren't crime-related)?

What exactly do Whitman parents wished it had from Blair?

I know Whitman is out of control these days. There was the kid chasing people with knives and then all the drug overdoses. The only thing that tops that are the non-stop hate crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:I know Whitman is out of control these days. There was the kid chasing people with knives and then all the drug overdoses. The only thing that tops that are the non-stop hate crimes.

IKR: It's Ganglandia!

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If mist businesses were run like mcps they would be out of business.

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Anonymous wrote:I know Whitman is out of control these days. There was the kid chasing people with knives and then all the drug overdoses. The only thing that tops that are the non-stop hate crimes.

IKR: It's Ganglandia!

No, but all the constant racial incidents that go on at the segregated schools are unsettling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:results - SAT / AP / ACT and college entries

Results? A given student from a given family will have much the same "results" regardless of which MCPS high school they attend.

Naive to believe this... look at AP/IB scores across the high schools. Some schools have very low pass rates, despite their very small cohort of AP students.

Whether or not it's naive, it's factually correct.

Well... I have objective data to back me up and you just have the statement that you are "factually correct." So, I will stick to the higher performing schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:results - SAT / AP / ACT and college entries

Results? A given student from a given family will have much the same "results" regardless of which MCPS high school they attend.

Naive to believe this... look at AP/IB scores across the high schools. Some schools have very low pass rates, despite their very small cohort of AP students.

Whether or not it's naive, it's factually correct.

Well... I have objective data to back me up and you just have the statement that you are "factually correct." So, I will stick to the higher performing schools.

How will you stick to them? By attending them? By residing within their boundaries? By teaching at them? By anonymously posting on internet message boards? Please explain.

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Quit using the word PAR unless you're referring to the PAR program in mcps that is geared to make new teachers work extra hours on top of their unpaid overtime as well as strip them from any protections from crazy students, parents, and admin.

This is not golf this is educations system that makes teachers feel helpless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like it will be part of the DCC. There is a reason schools are put in the consortium. It is a mechanism to give middle class parents hope that even if they buy is a lesser zone that there is hope for a better school helping to prevent economic flight as suburban poverty has crept up as the cities have become vogue again. It also allows for load balancing as numbers swing wildly when you have lots of dense low income housing in a particular area.

If lots of DCC kids end up at Woodward and it is positioned as an overflow school it will simply not be well regarded and its metrics will reflect that.

The DCC has a lot of cleanup to do. Right now, everyone flocks to Blair, Einstein and Wheaton. Those schools are over capacity and hard to get into. Northwood and Kennedy are the laggard schools and they're under capacity.

If Woodward is going to be added to the DCC, then I imagine it will just keep Kennedy and Northwood at the bottom of the pile as the less desirable schools within the DCC. So for that reason, I hope it's not in the DCC.

FACT CHECK (2022-2023 data)
Northwood: enrollment 1,796; capacity 1,526
Kennedy: enrollment 1,827; capacity 2,159

But the PP's comment does indicate who they consider to be "everyone" (i.e., somebody) vs. who they consider to be not-everyone (i.e., nobody).

OP is speaking about how 8th graders rank their DCC high school choices. It’s Blair as the top choice, then Einstein, then Wheaton (more people have been interested in it the past few years because of the biomed program), then Northwood, and finally Kennedy. Tbh there’s a big gap between Blair and everyone else.

Can you please show recent data that says Blair is the most requested first choice HS. This data was published back in 2013ish but I was not aware they continue to publish this information. I am in the DCC and curious. Blair is hard to get into because it has very little space after in bound kids and two magnet programs.

[Anonymous]

This again?

If the school has a high percentage of Asian American students, low FARMS and ESOL, the school will be rated high.


A higher percentage of URM coupled with high FARMS and ESOL rates is not a good indicator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It looks like it will be part of the DCC. There is a reason schools are put in the consortium. It is a mechanism to give middle class parents hope that even if they buy is a lesser zone that there is hope for a better school helping to prevent economic flight as suburban poverty has crept up as the cities have become vogue again. It also allows for load balancing as numbers swing wildly when you have lots of dense low income housing in a particular area.

If lots of DCC kids end up at Woodward and it is positioned as an overflow school it will simply not be well regarded and its metrics will reflect that.

Vogue? Hunh? WTH does that mean?