Floida is investigating a teacher who showed a Disney movie with a gay character

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

+1. It's unbelievable what passes for "education" these days.

Whether or not people agree with religion, there are a lot of religious, conservative, or traditional people that don't want their kids to view materials that are counter to their values.

If you think that they are wrong and want their kids to view materials that promote lifestyles that are counter to their values, that is also an ideological position.

So rather than pit one ideological position against another, let's leave ideology out of the classroom and stop talking to elementary students about sex, full stop.

"lifestyles"

How are you going to get rid of all content that "promote lifestyles" when literally most school material involves human beings? According to your way of thinking, we all are promoting our own lifestyles. You are promoting your own lifestyle, whatever that may be.

Also, where is there sex in the film she showed?

Yes, humans have lifestyles. But they aren't showing a film of my lifestyle to children. Nor would I recommend doing that, it's NSFW and definitely not for school.

So you agree, no movies that show any kind of human romantic relationship/partnership of any kind should ever be shown to children.

They should stick to educational documentaries like natgeo, as a pp suggested.

In nature, the vast majority of sex is heterosexual. It's fine to show March of the Penguin, for example, and its portrayal of heterosexual penguins. Im not aware of a gay penguin documentary, or a documentary where a boy penguin wishes it could lay eggs or anything like that. If such a documentary exist it would be interesting to watch.

But yes. I think our culture is now bifurcated between secularists and traditionalists, and both sides treat their views as religious in nature. So that limits what it is acceptable for public schools to screen during movie time.

In nature, the vast majority of creatures are not disabled or deformed. So that means movies shouldn’t promote the disabled or deformed lifestyle, right?

What are you talking about? Disabled and deformed animals are totally normal and occur with likely the same frequency as humans. Omg. Go touch grass, and notice the 3-legged and tailless squirrels while you're at it. Genuinely wondering if I'm debating a bot now.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

+1. It's unbelievable what passes for "education" these days.

Whether or not people agree with religion, there are a lot of religious, conservative, or traditional people that don't want their kids to view materials that are counter to their values.

If you think that they are wrong and want their kids to view materials that promote lifestyles that are counter to their values, that is also an ideological position.

So rather than pit one ideological position against another, let's leave ideology out of the classroom and stop talking to elementary students about sex, full stop.

Viewing material that indicates gay people exist isn't talking about sex whatsoever you nutcase? Do you think kids with gay parents should be banned from ever mentioning their parents to other kids? Because you are implying that.

Sounds fascist.

I'm not remotely Implying that, you Marxist 1984 thought police Jr anti-sex leaguer. Get a life.

There is virtually nothing that could be shown that won't offend someone somewhere. So either we are lax overly overly strict. I err towards lax because overly strict means a cascading domino effect of fascism.

The movie was appropriate for the age group, bottom line.

BTW, I'm becoming convinced that fascism = Fnord. All reaction, no substance.

Oh.

Well here you go, Field of Dreams scene from over 30 years ago. Fascists then, fascists now. Or it was ok to use fascist then?

Ma'am, no one is going to watch your video and read your mind. Use your words.

Same sh*t different decade and people calling book (and movie) banners fascist isn't remotely new. Lazy argument to pretend it is.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

+1. It's unbelievable what passes for "education" these days.

Whether or not people agree with religion, there are a lot of religious, conservative, or traditional people that don't want their kids to view materials that are counter to their values.

If you think that they are wrong and want their kids to view materials that promote lifestyles that are counter to their values, that is also an ideological position.

So rather than pit one ideological position against another, let's leave ideology out of the classroom and stop talking to elementary students about sex, full stop.

The teacher's actions do not warrant a state-lead investigation where the teacher needs to hire legal counsel to defend themself. It is absolutely ludicrous, intrusive, and downright authoritarian of the Florida Department of Education to be conducting this investigation in the first place.

Parents are always going to complain. If a parent had an issue with the movie being show, then start with the school administration.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

+1. It's unbelievable what passes for "education" these days.

Whether or not people agree with religion, there are a lot of religious, conservative, or traditional people that don't want their kids to view materials that are counter to their values.

If you think that they are wrong and want their kids to view materials that promote lifestyles that are counter to their values, that is also an ideological position.

So rather than pit one ideological position against another, let's leave ideology out of the classroom and stop talking to elementary students about sex, full stop.

"lifestyles"

How are you going to get rid of all content that "promote lifestyles" when literally most school material involves human beings? According to your way of thinking, we all are promoting our own lifestyles. You are promoting your own lifestyle, whatever that may be.

Also, where is there sex in the film she showed?

Yes, humans have lifestyles. But they aren't showing a film of my lifestyle to children. Nor would I recommend doing that, it's NSFW and definitely not for school.

So you agree, no movies that show any kind of human romantic relationship/partnership of any kind should ever be shown to children.

They should stick to educational documentaries like natgeo, as a pp suggested.

In nature, the vast majority of sex is heterosexual. It's fine to show March of the Penguin, for example, and its portrayal of heterosexual penguins. Im not aware of a gay penguin documentary, or a documentary where a boy penguin wishes it could lay eggs or anything like that. If such a documentary exist it would be interesting to watch.

But yes. I think our culture is now bifurcated between secularists and traditionalists, and both sides treat their views as religious in nature. So that limits what it is acceptable for public schools to screen during movie time.

In nature, the vast majority of creatures are not disabled or deformed. So that means movies shouldn’t promote the disabled or deformed lifestyle, right?

What are you talking about? Disabled and deformed animals are totally normal and occur with likely the same frequency as humans. Omg. Go touch grass, and notice the 3-legged and tailless squirrels while you're at it. Genuinely wondering if I'm debating a bot now.

Ok and the hundreds of animal species that engage in homosexual behavior, of which humans happen to be one of those species, we are allowed to acknowledge what occurs naturally, just not if it's a homo sapien?

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

You either intentionally didn't link or didn't read the story where it states she showed the movie after a standardized test day.

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Anonymous wrote:Wrongthink is banned in Florida. No one is permitted to think anything not approved by the state.

You know that public schools are the state, right?

If you attempt to use schools, or law enforcement, or any other instrument of state power to reverse the religious teachings within a family, that is much closer to fascism than the supposed fascism of parents having a voice in their childrens education.

Showing gay-ness in an innocent way in a Disney movie isn't reversing a family's religious teaching FFS. Nor is teaching evolution or do you oppose that too?

In elementary school, they don't need to show movies about "gay-ness" or evolution. They can also skip the angsty hetero crush movies. Like, all the movies, they can skip.

Ok you're a troll or a nut or both.

Everyone, stop feeding the troll.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

+1. It's unbelievable what passes for "education" these days.

Whether or not people agree with religion, there are a lot of religious, conservative, or traditional people that don't want their kids to view materials that are counter to their values.

If you think that they are wrong and want their kids to view materials that promote lifestyles that are counter to their values, that is also an ideological position.

So rather than pit one ideological position against another, let's leave ideology out of the classroom and stop talking to elementary students about sex, full stop.

Viewing material that indicates gay people exist isn't talking about sex whatsoever you nutcase? Do you think kids with gay parents should be banned from ever mentioning their parents to other kids? Because you are implying that.

Sounds fascist.

I'm not remotely Implying that, you Marxist 1984 thought police Jr anti-sex leaguer. Get a life.

There is virtually nothing that could be shown that won't offend someone somewhere. So either we are lax overly overly strict. I err towards lax because overly strict means a cascading domino effect of fascism.

The movie was appropriate for the age group, bottom line.

BTW, I'm becoming convinced that fascism = Fnord. All reaction, no substance.

Oh.

Well here you go, Field of Dreams scene from over 30 years ago. Fascists then, fascists now. Or it was ok to use fascist then?

Ma'am, no one is going to watch your video and read your mind. Use your words.

Same sh*t different decade and people calling book (and movie) banners fascist isn't remotely new. Lazy argument to pretend it is.

I'm not calling it new. I'm calling it a fnord. Everything is now fascist-- without proof, without discussion, without any real application of rational thought. It's a statement of pure emotion now, meant to convey that something is not sanctioned by Big Brother. Can't say that kids shouldn't watch cartoons about sexual interests in school, thats fascist! We all know how much Hitler and the brownshirts couldn't stand Disney! No. I am not going to pretend this is a sensible interpretation of the facts. Lots of parents have lots of opinions about education and what their kids should be exposed to. And they aren't all fascists.

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Anonymous wrote:Wrongthink is banned in Florida. No one is permitted to think anything not approved by the state.

You know that public schools are the state, right?

If you attempt to use schools, or law enforcement, or any other instrument of state power to reverse the religious teachings within a family, that is much closer to fascism than the supposed fascism of parents having a voice in their childrens education.

Sich heil!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wrongthink is banned in Florida. No one is permitted to think anything not approved by the state.

You know that public schools are the state, right?

If you attempt to use schools, or law enforcement, or any other instrument of state power to reverse the religious teachings within a family, that is much closer to fascism than the supposed fascism of parents having a voice in their childrens education.

Showing gay-ness in an innocent way in a Disney movie isn't reversing a family's religious teaching FFS. Nor is teaching evolution or do you oppose that too?

In elementary school, they don't need to show movies about "gay-ness" or evolution. They can also skip the angsty hetero crush movies. Like, all the movies, they can skip.

Ok you're a troll or a nut or both.

Everyone, stop feeding the troll.

I think you're a troll. A fascist troll.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wrongthink is banned in Florida. No one is permitted to think anything not approved by the state.

You know that public schools are the state, right?

If you attempt to use schools, or law enforcement, or any other instrument of state power to reverse the religious teachings within a family, that is much closer to fascism than the supposed fascism of parents having a voice in their childrens education.

Sich heil!

Now you're being honest.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

+1. It's unbelievable what passes for "education" these days.

Whether or not people agree with religion, there are a lot of religious, conservative, or traditional people that don't want their kids to view materials that are counter to their values.

If you think that they are wrong and want their kids to view materials that promote lifestyles that are counter to their values, that is also an ideological position.

So rather than pit one ideological position against another, let's leave ideology out of the classroom and stop talking to elementary students about sex, full stop.

Viewing material that indicates gay people exist isn't talking about sex whatsoever you nutcase? Do you think kids with gay parents should be banned from ever mentioning their parents to other kids? Because you are implying that.

Sounds fascist.

I'm not remotely Implying that, you Marxist 1984 thought police Jr anti-sex leaguer. Get a life.

There is virtually nothing that could be shown that won't offend someone somewhere. So either we are lax overly overly strict. I err towards lax because overly strict means a cascading domino effect of fascism.

The movie was appropriate for the age group, bottom line.

BTW, I'm becoming convinced that fascism = Fnord. All reaction, no substance.

Oh.

Well here you go, Field of Dreams scene from over 30 years ago. Fascists then, fascists now. Or it was ok to use fascist then?

Ma'am, no one is going to watch your video and read your mind. Use your words.

Same sh*t different decade and people calling book (and movie) banners fascist isn't remotely new. Lazy argument to pretend it is.

I'm not calling it new. I'm calling it a fnord. Everything is now fascist-- without proof, without discussion, without any real application of rational thought. It's a statement of pure emotion now, meant to convey that something is not sanctioned by Big Brother. Can't say that kids shouldn't watch cartoons about sexual interests in school, thats fascist! We all know how much Hitler and the brownshirts couldn't stand Disney! No. I am not going to pretend this is a sensible interpretation of the facts. Lots of parents have lots of opinions about education and what their kids should be exposed to. And they aren't all fascists.

The parent who complained to the FL Dept of Ed is a facist. If they were upset their child watched the film, then complain to the school principal. Why demand an investigation over a freaking movie.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

+1. It's unbelievable what passes for "education" these days.

Whether or not people agree with religion, there are a lot of religious, conservative, or traditional people that don't want their kids to view materials that are counter to their values.

If you think that they are wrong and want their kids to view materials that promote lifestyles that are counter to their values, that is also an ideological position.

So rather than pit one ideological position against another, let's leave ideology out of the classroom and stop talking to elementary students about sex, full stop.

"lifestyles"

How are you going to get rid of all content that "promote lifestyles" when literally most school material involves human beings? According to your way of thinking, we all are promoting our own lifestyles. You are promoting your own lifestyle, whatever that may be.

Also, where is there sex in the film she showed?

Yes, humans have lifestyles. But they aren't showing a film of my lifestyle to children. Nor would I recommend doing that, it's NSFW and definitely not for school.

So you agree, no movies that show any kind of human romantic relationship/partnership of any kind should ever be shown to children.

They should stick to educational documentaries like natgeo, as a pp suggested.

In nature, the vast majority of sex is heterosexual. It's fine to show March of the Penguin, for example, and its portrayal of heterosexual penguins. Im not aware of a gay penguin documentary, or a documentary where a boy penguin wishes it could lay eggs or anything like that. If such a documentary exist it would be interesting to watch.

But yes. I think our culture is now bifurcated between secularists and traditionalists, and both sides treat their views as religious in nature. So that limits what it is acceptable for public schools to screen during movie time.

In nature, the vast majority of creatures are not disabled or deformed. So that means movies shouldn’t promote the disabled or deformed lifestyle, right?

What are you talking about? Disabled and deformed animals are totally normal and occur with likely the same frequency as humans. Omg. Go touch grass, and notice the 3-legged and tailless squirrels while you're at it. Genuinely wondering if I'm debating a bot now.

Ok and the hundreds of animal species that engage in homosexual behavior, of which humans happen to be one of those species, we are allowed to acknowledge what occurs naturally, just not if it's a homo sapien?

The issue is that most parents don't approve of discussions of sex or sexual relationships of any type in elementary school. And then a large subset of parents explicitly don't approve of gay relationships. I don't agree with them. But I respect religious minorities. I don't think we should create a situation where only secular children can attend public schools. The consequences of that kind of segregation are not something that will help our society.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

+1. It's unbelievable what passes for "education" these days.

Whether or not people agree with religion, there are a lot of religious, conservative, or traditional people that don't want their kids to view materials that are counter to their values.

If you think that they are wrong and want their kids to view materials that promote lifestyles that are counter to their values, that is also an ideological position.

So rather than pit one ideological position against another, let's leave ideology out of the classroom and stop talking to elementary students about sex, full stop.

Viewing material that indicates gay people exist isn't talking about sex whatsoever you nutcase? Do you think kids with gay parents should be banned from ever mentioning their parents to other kids? Because you are implying that.

Sounds fascist.

I'm not remotely Implying that, you Marxist 1984 thought police Jr anti-sex leaguer. Get a life.

There is virtually nothing that could be shown that won't offend someone somewhere. So either we are lax overly overly strict. I err towards lax because overly strict means a cascading domino effect of fascism.

The movie was appropriate for the age group, bottom line.

BTW, I'm becoming convinced that fascism = Fnord. All reaction, no substance.

Oh.

Well here you go, Field of Dreams scene from over 30 years ago. Fascists then, fascists now. Or it was ok to use fascist then?

Ma'am, no one is going to watch your video and read your mind. Use your words.

Same sh*t different decade and people calling book (and movie) banners fascist isn't remotely new. Lazy argument to pretend it is.

I'm not calling it new. I'm calling it a fnord. Everything is now fascist-- without proof, without discussion, without any real application of rational thought. It's a statement of pure emotion now, meant to convey that something is not sanctioned by Big Brother. Can't say that kids shouldn't watch cartoons about sexual interests in school, thats fascist! We all know how much Hitler and the brownshirts couldn't stand Disney! No. I am not going to pretend this is a sensible interpretation of the facts. Lots of parents have lots of opinions about education and what their kids should be exposed to. And they aren't all fascists.

The parent who complained to the FL Dept of Ed is a facist. If they were upset their child watched the film, then complain to the school principal. Why demand an investigation over a freaking movie.

Put yourself in the shoes of a religious minority. Imagine you immigrated to this country from afar. And you want to integrate but pass on your religious values to your kid. And you think this movie makes it hard to justify your views to your kid bc it glamorizes and normalizes a lifestyles that you disagree with.

I will clarify that I am a secularist. But I have lived in a theocracy and I don't believe in using state power to coerce ideological views onto children.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

+1. It's unbelievable what passes for "education" these days.

Whether or not people agree with religion, there are a lot of religious, conservative, or traditional people that don't want their kids to view materials that are counter to their values.

If you think that they are wrong and want their kids to view materials that promote lifestyles that are counter to their values, that is also an ideological position.

So rather than pit one ideological position against another, let's leave ideology out of the classroom and stop talking to elementary students about sex, full stop.

"lifestyles"

How are you going to get rid of all content that "promote lifestyles" when literally most school material involves human beings? According to your way of thinking, we all are promoting our own lifestyles. You are promoting your own lifestyle, whatever that may be.

Also, where is there sex in the film she showed?

Yes, humans have lifestyles. But they aren't showing a film of my lifestyle to children. Nor would I recommend doing that, it's NSFW and definitely not for school.

So you agree, no movies that show any kind of human romantic relationship/partnership of any kind should ever be shown to children.

They should stick to educational documentaries like natgeo, as a pp suggested.

In nature, the vast majority of sex is heterosexual. It's fine to show March of the Penguin, for example, and its portrayal of heterosexual penguins. Im not aware of a gay penguin documentary, or a documentary where a boy penguin wishes it could lay eggs or anything like that. If such a documentary exist it would be interesting to watch.

But yes. I think our culture is now bifurcated between secularists and traditionalists, and both sides treat their views as religious in nature. So that limits what it is acceptable for public schools to screen during movie time.

In nature, the vast majority of creatures are not disabled or deformed. So that means movies shouldn’t promote the disabled or deformed lifestyle, right?

What are you talking about? Disabled and deformed animals are totally normal and occur with likely the same frequency as humans. Omg. Go touch grass, and notice the 3-legged and tailless squirrels while you're at it. Genuinely wondering if I'm debating a bot now.

Ok and the hundreds of animal species that engage in homosexual behavior, of which humans happen to be one of those species, we are allowed to acknowledge what occurs naturally, just not if it's a homo sapien?

The issue is that most parents don't approve of discussions of sex or sexual relationships of any type in elementary school. And then a large subset of parents explicitly don't approve of gay relationships. I don't agree with them. But I respect religious minorities. I don't think we should create a situation where only secular children can attend public schools. The consequences of that kind of segregation are not something that will help our society.

If a child attends school, they are going to see and hear things. The child is going to be exposed to kids with gay parents regardless of what movie is shown. A movie that shows that homosexuality exists (and does NOT show sex) isn't any different. Because homosexuality exists. That's it.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent I would be annoyed if a teacher showed this movie unless it were a rainy day during lunch or the last day of school or maybe even if there were a substitute. The teacher claims:

“Barbee said the movie focuses on humans' relationship to the environment, which was why she chose to show it to her class after a section on ecosystems, plants and animals.”

There are so many amazing Natgeo documentaries on Disney+ it’s ridiculous the teacher wasted time showing this movie. It is not based on a novel the students read either. She sounds like a lazy teacher. And not too bright if she works in Florida and thought no one would complain. If you go to common sense media there are a bunch of complaints from wacky parents.

+1. It's unbelievable what passes for "education" these days.

Whether or not people agree with religion, there are a lot of religious, conservative, or traditional people that don't want their kids to view materials that are counter to their values.

If you think that they are wrong and want their kids to view materials that promote lifestyles that are counter to their values, that is also an ideological position.

So rather than pit one ideological position against another, let's leave ideology out of the classroom and stop talking to elementary students about sex, full stop.

Viewing material that indicates gay people exist isn't talking about sex whatsoever you nutcase? Do you think kids with gay parents should be banned from ever mentioning their parents to other kids? Because you are implying that.

Sounds fascist.

I'm not remotely Implying that, you Marxist 1984 thought police Jr anti-sex leaguer. Get a life.

There is virtually nothing that could be shown that won't offend someone somewhere. So either we are lax overly overly strict. I err towards lax because overly strict means a cascading domino effect of fascism.

The movie was appropriate for the age group, bottom line.

BTW, I'm becoming convinced that fascism = Fnord. All reaction, no substance.

Oh.

Well here you go, Field of Dreams scene from over 30 years ago. Fascists then, fascists now. Or it was ok to use fascist then?

Ma'am, no one is going to watch your video and read your mind. Use your words.

Same sh*t different decade and people calling book (and movie) banners fascist isn't remotely new. Lazy argument to pretend it is.

I'm not calling it new. I'm calling it a fnord. Everything is now fascist-- without proof, without discussion, without any real application of rational thought. It's a statement of pure emotion now, meant to convey that something is not sanctioned by Big Brother. Can't say that kids shouldn't watch cartoons about sexual interests in school, thats fascist! We all know how much Hitler and the brownshirts couldn't stand Disney! No. I am not going to pretend this is a sensible interpretation of the facts. Lots of parents have lots of opinions about education and what their kids should be exposed to. And they aren't all fascists.

The parent who complained to the FL Dept of Ed is a facist. If they were upset their child watched the film, then complain to the school principal. Why demand an investigation over a freaking movie.

Put yourself in the shoes of a religious minority. Imagine you immigrated to this country from afar. And you want to integrate but pass on your religious values to your kid. And you think this movie makes it hard to justify your views to your kid bc it glamorizes and normalizes a lifestyles that you disagree with.

I will clarify that I am a secularist. But I have lived in a theocracy and I don't believe in using state power to coerce ideological views onto children.

Homosexuality isn't an ideological view. Therein lies the problem with your argument.