Minneapolis approved change in noise regulations to allow Islamic call to prayer 5 times per day

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is clearly unconstitutional.

Not allowing it was unconstitutional? Or allowing it now?

To be constitutional, wouldn't any kind of noise have to be allowed at those times? Time, place, and manner regulations are constitutional as long as they are content-neutral.

I'm not a constitutional scholar, but if you want to argue against religious freedom or practice, then by all means move to Minneapolis and sue. If you make it to this Supreme Court, there's a good chance the literalist Trump appointees will side with you, because Islam isn't expressly written into the Constitution or something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the call to prayer is one of the loveliest sounds out t
here. It's not like it's a honking horn.

I have insomnia and many nights I'm just getting real sleep (REM) between 4:30 am and 6:30 am. No matter how lovely the sound, if something woke me up every day at 5:30 am it would be a negative impact on my health as I would not be able to fall back asleep.

What about separation of church and state?

The point is after a couple weeks you wouldn't wake up anymore; the brain adjusts.

I used to live next to a hospital. It took about 2 weeks before I stopped noticing the constant sirens. I'd be talking to someone on the phone and they'd say "what the heck is that noise?" and I'd have to think about it for a moment before realizing yup, siren right outside my window. And sirens go all hours of the night by the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly unconstitutional.

Not allowing it was unconstitutional? Or allowing it now?

To be constitutional, wouldn't any kind of noise have to be allowed at those times? Time, place, and manner regulations are constitutional as long as they are content-neutral.

I'm not a constitutional scholar, but if you want to argue against religious freedom or practice, then by all means move to Minneapolis and sue. If you make it to this Supreme Court, there's a good chance the literalist Trump appointees will side with you, because Islam isn't expressly written into the Constitution or something.

PP here. I have no strong opinion on what Minneapolis is doing. If anything, I'd lean toward supporting it, although I'm also aware of the sleep studies a PP noted. (60 Minutes did a really good piece on it several years ago. Vox also has some good articles.) I was just curious about the con law and hoping someone with expertise would jump in.

I totally share your distrust of the current SC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to prayer is one of the loveliest sounds out there. It's not like it's a honking horn.

I am Jewish and I fully support this. Praying to G-d is important for all humanity. I pray for peace in the world

Isha Yiras Hashem

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have also lived in a Muslim country and it’s true that even some of the locals get annoyed by all the noise. But to be completely honest, you get used to it and stop noticing it after a while. Even at 5:30am. Kind of like living next to a train track, you eventually just tune out the noise.

I don’t think sleep studies bear that out. It might not register consciously but I guarantee it’s waking people up and it is harming their health. Bells, calls to prayer, etc- it’s all noise pollution and it’s all needless and it all harms. Night shift workers especially. How “progressive.”

I really do hope the Church of Satan comes in and sets it right. I can dig through my collection and recommend a few tracks if they need help.

Careful, your bigotry is showing.

DP. Right, anyone who believes in the constitutional protection of the wall between church and state is a ‘bigot” because they don’t endorse your theocratic desires.

I'm an atheist, sweetie. You are a bigot.

Nope.

And that “sweetie” thing is repulsive. You are gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to prayer is one of the loveliest sounds out t
here. It's not like it's a honking horn.

I have insomnia and many nights I'm just getting real sleep (REM) between 4:30 am and 6:30 am. No matter how lovely the sound, if something woke me up every day at 5:30 am it would be a negative impact on my health as I would not be able to fall back asleep.

What about separation of church and state?

Your sense of entitlement is astonishing. The world can't be constructed around what is comfortable for you personally. The trash trucks in my DC neighborhood come at 5:30am regardless of how much sleep I've had or how many times I got up with the baby. The Department of Sanitation doesn't have to work around my sleep schedule and people's religious beliefs don't have to accommodate your insomnia.

[Anonymous]

Lived in a German village where the church bells rang on the hour. You get used to it and sleep through it. Other times of day, you enjoy it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to prayer is one of the loveliest sounds out t
here. It's not like it's a honking horn.

I have insomnia and many nights I'm just getting real sleep (REM) between 4:30 am and 6:30 am. No matter how lovely the sound, if something woke me up every day at 5:30 am it would be a negative impact on my health as I would not be able to fall back asleep.

What about separation of church and state?

Your sense of entitlement is astonishing. The world can't be constructed around what is comfortable for you personally. The trash trucks in my DC neighborhood come at 5:30am regardless of how much sleep I've had or how many times I got up with the baby. The Department of Sanitation doesn't have to work around my sleep schedule and people's religious beliefs don't have to accommodate your insomnia.

I love how you ignore pp’s last sentence, which is the only one that matters.

[Anonymous]

Yay multiculturalism

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to prayer is one of the loveliest sounds out t
here. It's not like it's a honking horn.

I have insomnia and many nights I'm just getting real sleep (REM) between 4:30 am and 6:30 am. No matter how lovely the sound, if something woke me up every day at 5:30 am it would be a negative impact on my health as I would not be able to fall back asleep.

What about separation of church and state?

Your sense of entitlement is astonishing. The world can't be constructed around what is comfortable for you personally. The trash trucks in my DC neighborhood come at 5:30am regardless of how much sleep I've had or how many times I got up with the baby. The Department of Sanitation doesn't have to work around my sleep schedule and people's religious beliefs don't have to accommodate your insomnia.

I love how you ignore pp’s last sentence, which is the only one that matters.

Their last sentence doesn’t “matter.” It is inane. Neither they, nor you, understand what “separation of church and state” does or doesn’t mean. DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who has lived in a country where the call to prayer is blasted on a megaphone, it’s awful. I don’t care if it sounds “lovely,” there are times in the day when you don’t want to hear something like that, lovely or not.

It’s especially bad when two mosques are in proximity to you but their timing is slightly off so you get DOUBLE the call to prayer, or slightly overlapping call to prayer.

The call to prayer was designed before megaphones and loudspeakers, that bit of technology ruins it. Even Muslims in the country I stayed hated it but they, too, we’re afraid to organize opposition.

This. Being not right next door to a mosque is a real consideration when people look for housing.

I am sure it was a consideration before, because in that area it would be also near little Ethiopia and people don’t want to live there unless they are Ethiopian or can’t afford anything else. There is a lot of drawbacks as it is.

[Anonymous]

This is truly dumb. Opening Pandora’s box. Now everyone wants all kinds of concessions for all sorts of religious practices

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to prayer is one of the loveliest sounds out t
here. It's not like it's a honking horn.

I have insomnia and many nights I'm just getting real sleep (REM) between 4:30 am and 6:30 am. No matter how lovely the sound, if something woke me up every day at 5:30 am it would be a negative impact on my health as I would not be able to fall back asleep.

What about separation of church and state?

Your sense of entitlement is astonishing. The world can't be constructed around what is comfortable for you personally. The trash trucks in my DC neighborhood come at 5:30am regardless of how much sleep I've had or how many times I got up with the baby. The Department of Sanitation doesn't have to work around my sleep schedule and people's religious beliefs don't have to accommodate your insomnia.

I love how you ignore pp’s last sentence, which is the only one that matters.

Their last sentence doesn’t “matter.” It is inane. Neither they, nor you, understand what “separation of church and state” does or doesn’t mean. DP

Then explain it please . Because I am pretty sure I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is truly dumb. Opening Pandora’s box. Now everyone wants all kinds of concessions for all sorts of religious practices

Have you never heard church bells before?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in Minneapolis and am proud and supportive of this change.

I live in a different neighborhood of Minneapolis and I don’t like the further erasure of the line between church and state. They’re violating their own long standing rules for one special religion. I don’t like it.