Minneapolis approved change in noise regulations to allow Islamic call to prayer 5 times per day

[Anonymous]

Can TST congregations call prayer?

[Anonymous]

Oh, please, people get used to it. It's no different than living near train tracks (like I did growing up) and hearing train horns, except that the call to prayer is more pleasant. Or living in a city and hearing car horns or car alarms at any time of night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have also lived in a Muslim country and it’s true that even some of the locals get annoyed by all the noise. But to be completely honest, you get used to it and stop noticing it after a while. Even at 5:30am. Kind of like living next to a train track, you eventually just tune out the noise.

But it’s not train tracks and it’s not something we should have to get used to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, please, people get used to it. It's no different than living near train tracks (like I did growing up) and hearing train horns, except that the call to prayer is more pleasant. Or living in a city and hearing car horns or car alarms at any time of night.

No. Excessive noise is unhealthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, please, people get used to it. It's no different than living near train tracks (like I did growing up) and hearing train horns, except that the call to prayer is more pleasant. Or living in a city and hearing car horns or car alarms at any time of night.

No. Excessive noise is unhealthy.

And yet, people love living in NYC.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the call to prayer is one of the loveliest sounds out there. It's not like it's a honking horn.

I feel like this is something that many people will say is lovely because they don’t actually live by a mosque and never will. I think it’s lovely as well when I occasionally hear it. But not if I were forced to hear it 35 times a WEEK. It isn’t going to sound so lovely at 5:30 in the morning. This is going to be a problem in poor crowded neighborhoods when a mosque opens. And just wait until a religious group that is opposed starts blaring music some people find offensive an hour a day. It’s not hard to imagine an evangelical group doing this or a group like the Satanic temple (they opening after school clubs just to oppose the evangelical good news club.)

Poor crowded neighborhoods already have tons of noise at all hours of the day. Sirens, thumping car stereos, couple arguing, music blasting...why would this be the deal breaker? Unless it's the religious aspect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, please, people get used to it. It's no different than living near train tracks (like I did growing up) and hearing train horns, except that the call to prayer is more pleasant. Or living in a city and hearing car horns or car alarms at any time of night.

No. Excessive noise is unhealthy.

And yet, people love living in NYC.

Not everywhere has to be NYC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to prayer is one of the loveliest sounds out there. It's not like it's a honking horn.

I feel like this is something that many people will say is lovely because they don’t actually live by a mosque and never will. I think it’s lovely as well when I occasionally hear it. But not if I were forced to hear it 35 times a WEEK. It isn’t going to sound so lovely at 5:30 in the morning. This is going to be a problem in poor crowded neighborhoods when a mosque opens. And just wait until a religious group that is opposed starts blaring music some people find offensive an hour a day. It’s not hard to imagine an evangelical group doing this or a group like the Satanic temple (they opening after school clubs just to oppose the evangelical good news club.)

Poor crowded neighborhoods already have tons of noise at all hours of the day. Sirens, thumping car stereos, couple arguing, music blasting...why would this be the deal breaker? Unless it's the religious aspect?

That’s why I don’t live in a poor crowded neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have also lived in a Muslim country and it’s true that even some of the locals get annoyed by all the noise. But to be completely honest, you get used to it and stop noticing it after a while. Even at 5:30am. Kind of like living next to a train track, you eventually just tune out the noise.

+1

I lived next door to a church that had a bell tower but broadcast the sound of bells over a loudspeaker -- which was literally outside my bedroom window. It got so I didn't hear that at all -- and it was LOUD.

[Anonymous]

I live very near a college campus and can hear the chimes of the bells on their campus clock tower every hour. And they play the school's alma mater once a day. You get used to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is clearly unconstitutional.

No, it’s arguably not. But I wouldn’t allow any of this for any religious group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the call to prayer is one of the loveliest sounds out there. It's not like it's a honking horn.

I feel like this is something that many people will say is lovely because they don’t actually live by a mosque and never will. I think it’s lovely as well when I occasionally hear it. But not if I were forced to hear it 35 times a WEEK. It isn’t going to sound so lovely at 5:30 in the morning. This is going to be a problem in poor crowded neighborhoods when a mosque opens. And just wait until a religious group that is opposed starts blaring music some people find offensive an hour a day. It’s not hard to imagine an evangelical group doing this or a group like the Satanic temple (they opening after school clubs just to oppose the evangelical good news club.)

An evangelical church isn't going to blare music. They may ring their church bells. Beautiful music for the day!

Until a rabid evangelical who wants to save souls starts blasting Christian music to drown out the Muslim call to prayer. and a Satanic church starts blasting Black Sabbath. The new law has NO maximum decibel level that is mentioned. They now have that right 6 minutes every hour for up to 60 minutes a day. So does every religion. There are apps and receivers that can be placed in believers houses that can transmit the call to prayer. Noise pollution is awful.

Forgot to add. The call to prayer was legal in Minneapolis before what was illegal was doing it before 7 am or after 10 pm. Now it can be done at as early as required. The first morning prayer of the day is done between dawn and no later than sunrise; it is called Fajr. I just googled what time is Fajr in Minneapolis today it is between It is between 5:02 am and 6:29. The time changes daily depending on sunrise. It is listed on June 21st as between 3:30 and 5:26 am. And the last prayer time is at 11 pm. How many people really want to hear a call to prayer on a loudspeaker before 5:26 and at 11 pm?

People in Minneapolis?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:5:30am is unreasonable in my opin[b]ion. When do church bells start? 9:30 pm is fine but who wants to be woken or have their kids woken at 5:30?!

Muslim people.

They are welcome to set their personal alarm clocks for that.

They are welcome to do it publicly wherever the law allows. No personal alarm clocks required.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:5:30am is unreasonable in my opinion. When do church bells start? 9:30 pm is fine but who wants to be woken or have their kids woken at 5:30?!

we had a 7:00 service, so the bells were earlier than that.

[Anonymous]

It’s not annoying, it’s no different than a church bell that chimes the hour. If you’ve ever lived by a train, it’s like that. Your brain adjusts.

Frankly I’m pretty opposed to religious stuff and definitely to religious exemptions but Republicans have declared that religion should be a Get Out Of Laws Free Card and basically want us to be a theocracy so this is a natural consequence of that until they get to impose a single state religion I guess.