Car jacking assailant turned victim?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Video of the incident:
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/news4-rundown/video-shows-carjacking-fatal-stabbing-in-dc-the-news4-rundown/3329620/

Seems like the police know why the guy who did the stabbing is (and they have his car). Hope they don't charge him with anything.

I’m sad for the stabbed that his fate is in the USAO for saving that woman. He actually pondered for a moment as to whether he should intervene.

It feels like everything is upside down right now. Perpetrators are not being proscuted but the surest way to get prosecuted is to fight back against a perpetrator. Is the idea that people are just supposed to sit back and take it like it’s some form of self-flagellation that will wash away the collective sins of the past?

Cops were prosecuted for chasing a suspect on a scooter who died.

A resident was prosecuted for shooting a kid breaking into cars on his block.

Meanwhile two-thirds of arrests, including those arrested for violent crimes are not prosecuted and almost everyone that is proscuted, including those prosecuted for violent crimes are not remanded into custody. Which leaves many free to commit more violent crimes while they are awaiting trial for other violent crimes.

But try to enforce order. Try to prevent your community from falling into chaos. Try to protect yourself and your property and the government will drop a brick on you.

1. Cops were prosecuted for mishandling evidence and lying about the circumstances of Karon Hylton Brown's being chased on a 17mph scooter, one officer had numerous illegal acts on his record as well.

2. The "resident" was a youth worker who shot an unarmed child and lied to police about it. A child who screamed, "please dont I am a kid I am 12" before he was killed. Karon Blake. The resident is currently home watching netflix awaiting trial while Karon's body rots in the dirt.

3. Please cite the source.

Actually no, the officer who initiated the chase was found guilty of second degree murder.

Exactly. It was nothing else except that conducting the chase was against departmental policy and caused this persons death. That’s it. The message that MPD officers are getting couldn’t be more clear and we are seeing the rewards. Everything else that person has posted is an obvious lie and should be fully discounted due to the fact that they have no clue about that the USAO is declining to prosecute 2/3 of arrests, which is the most well know criminal justice stat in the city right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Video of the incident:
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/news4-rundown/video-shows-carjacking-fatal-stabbing-in-dc-the-news4-rundown/3329620/

Seems like the police know why the guy who did the stabbing is (and they have his car). Hope they don't charge him with anything.

I’m sad for the stabbed that his fate is in the USAO for saving that woman. He actually pondered for a moment as to whether he should intervene.

It feels like everything is upside down right now. Perpetrators are not being proscuted but the surest way to get prosecuted is to fight back against a perpetrator. Is the idea that people are just supposed to sit back and take it like it’s some form of self-flagellation that will wash away the collective sins of the past?

Cops were prosecuted for chasing a suspect on a scooter who died.

A resident was prosecuted for shooting a kid breaking into cars on his block.

Meanwhile two-thirds of arrests, including those arrested for violent crimes are not prosecuted and almost everyone that is proscuted, including those prosecuted for violent crimes are not remanded into custody. Which leaves many free to commit more violent crimes while they are awaiting trial for other violent crimes.

But try to enforce order. Try to prevent your community from falling into chaos. Try to protect yourself and your property and the government will drop a brick on you.

1. Cops were prosecuted for mishandling evidence and lying about the circumstances of Karon Hylton Brown's being chased on a 17mph scooter, one officer had numerous illegal acts on his record as well.

2. The "resident" was a youth worker who shot an unarmed child and lied to police about it. A child who screamed, "please dont I am a kid I am 12" before he was killed. Karon Blake. The resident is currently home watching netflix awaiting trial while Karon's body rots in the dirt.

3. Please cite the source.

Actually no, the officer who initiated the chase was found guilty of second degree murder.

Exactly. It was nothing else except that conducting the chase was against departmental policy and caused this persons death. That’s it. The message that MPD officers are getting couldn’t be more clear and we are seeing the rewards. Everything else that person has posted is an obvious lie and should be fully discounted due to the fact that they have no clue about that the USAO is declining to prosecute 2/3 of arrests, which is the most well know criminal justice stat in the city right now.

It must be surreal being called for jury duty in DC. Sit there reading your book watching case after case pled down or dismissed then this poor bastard goes to trial.

[Anonymous]

I hope the guy who saved the car owner sets up a gofundme or something similar. IMO, we should be rewarding people who perform these types of heroic acts. The car owner might well be dead if it weren't for him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Video of the incident:
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/news4-rundown/video-shows-carjacking-fatal-stabbing-in-dc-the-news4-rundown/3329620/

Seems like the police know why the guy who did the stabbing is (and they have his car). Hope they don't charge him with anything.

I’m sad for the stabbed that his fate is in the USAO for saving that woman. He actually pondered for a moment as to whether he should intervene.

It feels like everything is upside down right now. Perpetrators are not being proscuted but the surest way to get prosecuted is to fight back against a perpetrator. Is the idea that people are just supposed to sit back and take it like it’s some form of self-flagellation that will wash away the collective sins of the past?

Cops were prosecuted for chasing a suspect on a scooter who died.

A resident was prosecuted for shooting a kid breaking into cars on his block.

Meanwhile two-thirds of arrests, including those arrested for violent crimes are not prosecuted and almost everyone that is proscuted, including those prosecuted for violent crimes are not remanded into custody. Which leaves many free to commit more violent crimes while they are awaiting trial for other violent crimes.

But try to enforce order. Try to prevent your community from falling into chaos. Try to protect yourself and your property and the government will drop a brick on you.

1. Cops were prosecuted for mishandling evidence and lying about the circumstances of Karon Hylton Brown's being chased on a 17mph scooter, one officer had numerous illegal acts on his record as well.

2. The "resident" was a youth worker who shot an unarmed child and lied to police about it. A child who screamed, "please dont I am a kid I am 12" before he was killed. Karon Blake. The resident is currently home watching netflix awaiting trial while Karon's body rots in the dirt.

3. Please cite the source.

Actually no, the officer who initiated the chase was found guilty of second degree murder.

Exactly. It was nothing else except that conducting the chase was against departmental policy and caused this persons death. That’s it. The message that MPD officers are getting couldn’t be more clear and we are seeing the rewards. Everything else that person has posted is an obvious lie and should be fully discounted due to the fact that they have no clue about that the USAO is declining to prosecute 2/3 of arrests, which is the most well know criminal justice stat in the city right now.

It must be surreal being called for jury duty in DC. Sit there reading your book watching case after case pled down or dismissed then this poor bastard goes to trial.

As a middle aged white dude this is why I would regretfully walk away and not help someone being attacked on the metro or elsewhere. I applaud those who do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Despite what DC Govt believes and what the vast majority of this forum believe, when you report your car stolen to your insurance, you don't just end up with the same car delivered to your house ready to drive. You are beginning an odyssey of losing money, fighting insurance, looking for a car, dealing with the DMV and paying costs associated with all of this.

If you bought a 2022 car that was a year old in January for $30k,your insurance is going to give you some figure less than that minus your deductable and now you have to start looking for a car. You are losing money. And these equations never put a value on your time. Congratulations, you are supporting the DC stolen vehicle racket.

Kind of like getting your car damaged in an accident that's not your fault. For example if I'm driving down a parking lot aisle, and a driver backs into me (from a spot), it's their fault. So if I see it possibly happening, I don't just sit there, I take evasive action like hit the brakes, quickly drive around, etc.

And if they did hit me, like happened a few months ago, then I'm in for a huge time suck-- coordinating with insurance; coordinating with body shop; taking vehicle there and picking it up, and so on. It took me many hours, and all to get back a car that no longer has a dent in it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Despite what DC Govt believes and what the vast majority of this forum believe, when you report your car stolen to your insurance, you don't just end up with the same car delivered to your house ready to drive. You are beginning an odyssey of losing money, fighting insurance, looking for a car, dealing with the DMV and paying costs associated with all of this.

If you bought a 2022 car that was a year old in January for $30k,your insurance is going to give you some figure less than that minus your deductable and now you have to start looking for a car. You are losing money. And these equations never put a value on your time. Congratulations, you are supporting the DC stolen vehicle racket.

Kind of like getting your car damaged in an accident that's not your fault. For example if I'm driving down a parking lot aisle, and a driver backs into me (from a spot), it's their fault. So if I see it possibly happening, I don't just sit there, I take evasive action like hit the brakes, quickly drive around, etc.

And if they did hit me, like happened a few months ago, then I'm in for a huge time suck-- coordinating with insurance; coordinating with body shop; taking vehicle there and picking it up, and so on. It took me many hours, and all to get back a car that no longer has a dent in it.

This is soooo wrong legally and it just happened to me so I can give you an actual example.

I was driving your EXACT scenario in Bethesda. Lady backs into me. We exchange information. Both of us contact our insurance companies. I then drop box both insurance companies the dashcam of the incident and in less than a day the nice lady's insurance company accepted 100% accountability for the incident.

The reason insurance companies split so much in the course of an accident is because they don't want to go to court. So they simply agree. But if you have dashcam footage removing doubt, all of a sudden insurance companies take on an entirely different tact. My $600 dash cam installation completely more than paid for itself with one parking lot accident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Despite what DC Govt believes and what the vast majority of this forum believe, when you report your car stolen to your insurance, you don't just end up with the same car delivered to your house ready to drive. You are beginning an odyssey of losing money, fighting insurance, looking for a car, dealing with the DMV and paying costs associated with all of this.

If you bought a 2022 car that was a year old in January for $30k,your insurance is going to give you some figure less than that minus your deductable and now you have to start looking for a car. You are losing money. And these equations never put a value on your time. Congratulations, you are supporting the DC stolen vehicle racket.

Kind of like getting your car damaged in an accident that's not your fault. For example if I'm driving down a parking lot aisle, and a driver backs into me (from a spot), it's their fault. So if I see it possibly happening, I don't just sit there, I take evasive action like hit the brakes, quickly drive around, etc.

And if they did hit me, like happened a few months ago, then I'm in for a huge time suck-- coordinating with insurance; coordinating with body shop; taking vehicle there and picking it up, and so on. It took me many hours, and all to get back a car that no longer has a dent in it.

This is soooo wrong legally and it just happened to me so I can give you an actual example.

I was driving your EXACT scenario in Bethesda. Lady backs into me. We exchange information. Both of us contact our insurance companies. I then drop box both insurance companies the dashcam of the incident and in less than a day the nice lady's insurance company accepted 100% accountability for the incident.

The reason insurance companies split so much in the course of an accident is because they don't want to go to court. So they simply agree. But if you have dashcam footage removing doubt, all of a sudden insurance companies take on an entirely different tact. My $600 dash cam installation completely more than paid for itself with one parking lot accident.

What's wrong with what I wrote? The driver that is backing up is always at fault. My point is I can sit there and let them hit me (and then deal with time wasting of deadling with insurance, etc), or take action to prevent an outcome that wouldnt' be my fault, but would waste my time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Despite what DC Govt believes and what the vast majority of this forum believe, when you report your car stolen to your insurance, you don't just end up with the same car delivered to your house ready to drive. You are beginning an odyssey of losing money, fighting insurance, looking for a car, dealing with the DMV and paying costs associated with all of this.

If you bought a 2022 car that was a year old in January for $30k,your insurance is going to give you some figure less than that minus your deductable and now you have to start looking for a car. You are losing money. And these equations never put a value on your time. Congratulations, you are supporting the DC stolen vehicle racket.

Kind of like getting your car damaged in an accident that's not your fault. For example if I'm driving down a parking lot aisle, and a driver backs into me (from a spot), it's their fault. So if I see it possibly happening, I don't just sit there, I take evasive action like hit the brakes, quickly drive around, etc.

And if they did hit me, like happened a few months ago, then I'm in for a huge time suck-- coordinating with insurance; coordinating with body shop; taking vehicle there and picking it up, and so on. It took me many hours, and all to get back a car that no longer has a dent in it.

This is soooo wrong legally and it just happened to me so I can give you an actual example.

I was driving your EXACT scenario in Bethesda. Lady backs into me. We exchange information. Both of us contact our insurance companies. I then drop box both insurance companies the dashcam of the incident and in less than a day the nice lady's insurance company accepted 100% accountability for the incident.

The reason insurance companies split so much in the course of an accident is because they don't want to go to court. So they simply agree. But if you have dashcam footage removing doubt, all of a sudden insurance companies take on an entirely different tact. My $600 dash cam installation completely more than paid for itself with one parking lot accident.

What's wrong with what I wrote? The driver that is backing up is always at fault. My point is I can sit there and let them hit me (and then deal with time wasting of deadling with insurance, etc), or take action to prevent an outcome that wouldnt' be my fault, but would waste my time.

The driver backing up is not always at fault. What if the other driver was speeding? What if the conditions were u safe on the road. Insurance companies settle and make up for it by charging the consumer more. If a video is provided they might simply decide to pay rather than go to court.

[Anonymous]

Can we get back on topic here.

I think most of us agree that this man did the right thing under the circumstances.

A women was being attacked in her car for over a minute with many people witnessing it.

One came to her aid.

Don’t know what “the law” in DC says.

I do know that our nations cities need to start enforcing their car jacking laws better and having stricter penalties for car jackers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we get back on topic here.

I think most of us agree that this man did the right thing under the circumstances.

A women was being attacked in her car for over a minute with many people witnessing it.

One came to her aid.

Don’t know what “the law” in DC says.

I do know that our nations cities need to start enforcing their car jacking laws better and having stricter penalties for car jackers.

100 percent agree. Very glad this man intervened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the guy who saved the car owner sets up a gofundme or something similar. IMO, we should be rewarding people who perform these types of heroic acts. The car owner might well be dead if it weren't for him.

And a LOT of public outrage. The only thing that changes political minds is when someone threatens their career

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Despite what DC Govt believes and what the vast majority of this forum believe, when you report your car stolen to your insurance, you don't just end up with the same car delivered to your house ready to drive. You are beginning an odyssey of losing money, fighting insurance, looking for a car, dealing with the DMV and paying costs associated with all of this.

If you bought a 2022 car that was a year old in January for $30k,your insurance is going to give you some figure less than that minus your deductable and now you have to start looking for a car. You are losing money. And these equations never put a value on your time. Congratulations, you are supporting the DC stolen vehicle racket.

Kind of like getting your car damaged in an accident that's not your fault. For example if I'm driving down a parking lot aisle, and a driver backs into me (from a spot), it's their fault. So if I see it possibly happening, I don't just sit there, I take evasive action like hit the brakes, quickly drive around, etc.

And if they did hit me, like happened a few months ago, then I'm in for a huge time suck-- coordinating with insurance; coordinating with body shop; taking vehicle there and picking it up, and so on. It took me many hours, and all to get back a car that no longer has a dent in it.

This is soooo wrong legally and it just happened to me so I can give you an actual example.

I was driving your EXACT scenario in Bethesda. Lady backs into me. We exchange information. Both of us contact our insurance companies. I then drop box both insurance companies the dashcam of the incident and in less than a day the nice lady's insurance company accepted 100% accountability for the incident.

The reason insurance companies split so much in the course of an accident is because they don't want to go to court. So they simply agree. But if you have dashcam footage removing doubt, all of a sudden insurance companies take on an entirely different tact. My $600 dash cam installation completely more than paid for itself with one parking lot accident.

What's wrong with what I wrote? The driver that is backing up is always at fault. My point is I can sit there and let them hit me (and then deal with time wasting of deadling with insurance, etc), or take action to prevent an outcome that wouldnt' be my fault, but would waste my time.

Should not be the case. If I’m backing out of a space and the driver hits my rear quarter panel, that shows the driver was not aware of (or didn’t care) that someone was backing up. If I hit that person’s car in the process of backing up, then I’m at fault.

[Anonymous]

In general, you can’t kill someone over property.

You can’t shoot/stab someone for stealing a car.

The man was attacking a person so the stabbing will not be prosecuted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope the guy who saved the car owner sets up a gofundme or something similar. IMO, we should be rewarding people who perform these types of heroic acts. The car owner might well be dead if it weren't for him.

And a LOT of public outrage. The only thing that changes political minds is when someone threatens their career

+1

If this man is prosecuted in any fashion I will be up in arms as a Dc resident. I would hope the family members of the car jacking victim would be all over social media and the news outraged that a man who potentially saved this woman could end up having any legal issue at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In general, you can’t kill someone over property.

You can’t shoot/stab someone for stealing a car.

The man was attacking a person so the stabbing will not be prosecuted.

In general, carjacking is not joyriding - it is a violent crime and the car driver can be injured or killed. Intervening in a carjacking is not "killing someone over property", it is protecting someone.