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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually it is a proven fact that hunter gatherers lived a lifestyle with more leisure time and better treatment of women than after the transition to agricultural society.

“"Did our hunter-gatherers have it better off?" James Lancester asks in a recent issue of The New Yorker.

"We're flattering ourselves by believing that their existence was so grim and that our modern, civilized one is, by comparison, so great," Lancester writes.”

“A study back in the 1960s found the Bushmen have figured out a way to work only about 15 hours each week acquiring food and then another 15 to 20 hours on domestic chores. The rest of the time they could relax and focus on family, friends and hobbies.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/01/551018759/are-hunter-gatherers-the-happiest-humans-to-inhabit-earth

Yes, I long for an era when I could squat in a field and give birth? Or sleep on rocks.

I kind of do. If you’ve given birth in a hospital it’s really not nice if you don’t absolutely need to be there. And I’m pretty sure our hunter gatherer ancestors made themselves comfortable at night however they could.

The point is, a lot of the creature comforts we have now have come at an exceptional cost in terms of one’s ability to simply live without working all the time.

I did give birth in a hospital. Had a C-section because my baby was 12 pounds at birth. I would have died in that field long ago.

And many women have died in the hopsital that wouldn’t have if they’d been at home. This thread isn’t about modern health care system but let’s not pretend it’s actually working all that well! Especially as maternal mortality rates in the US rise.

Natural birth nut job twaddle and misinformation.

Absolutely not. Go read the studies you weirdo. Modern medicine saves many more lives than it harms but it’s not perfect.

I have undoubtedly read more studies about maternal mortality than you have. Your scientific illiteracy is showing.

So your bias is showing because you can’t dispute the fact that more women are dying in childbirth now than just a few years ago? Is it because they’re dying at home? What am I missing lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

This poster always does this. I think it’s possible that the idea that we aren’t comfortable with where things are for everyone is threatening to people that belong to groups that have made big gains over the last century. I know I feel it sometimes when people say things like—“it was so much better when women were at home with kids” etc etc. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

I’m talking about a world that looks like the one we have, but even better, where women and men from every background have equal opportunities to thrive because they aren’t being absolutely crushed by the top 1% who have made obscene profits off of the technological advancements that are supposed to be making our lives better but are leaving us burnt out instead. Our productivity expectations today are insane compared to the generation of people before us. When I first started my professional career having ONE client meeting a day was a big deal. Now I have ten that I cram in the same number of hours because technology. I don’t think my pay increased to reflect that. Just an example.

You people are the ones in this thread saying this is the most stressful and complicated time to live ever. That was literally written by one of you. Of course people are going to point out the abject absurdity of that statement.

It is though. Humans are living in far more of a complex system than they used to. People alive today are able to talk to people across the world instantaneously when that wasn’t true for their parents. If you don’t think that ups the complexity of life I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a lot for the world to deal with. We have made huge strides but we aren’t keeping up with the externalities.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you all spend so much time and energy looking for some justification to call yourself a victim? Your lives are not that bad. Grow up.

I’m not a victim. If anything I’m one of the few people on the planet benefitting from having things the way they are, but I do see the long term consequences of aimless kids growing up to be fragile aimless humans. See the the recent thread on the classified doc leak for an example.

Kids are not more aimless today than in previous generations. Young women are as engaged as ever. Young men have f*ed up their lives and the lives of people around them for ages. Thankfully, we are much less dependent on them as the women are ready to take over.

Wow... How convenient that you leave off the host off issues like anxiety and depression that's plaguing young women today. And how naive to think that young women can be happy without well adjusted young men and vice versa. Your mentally is the reason people are so aimless today.

NP.

The exploding rates of teen depression, spiking teen suicide, crisis leve fentanyl use, decreasing life expectancy in the US, and overall lowering of satisfaction are obvious proof:

- something is wrong.

Feel free to disagree with the author of the video as to root causes.

But only a complete moron would argue there is not a crisis facing youth in the US today.

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There are more diagnoses because there is more available healthcare and treatment and less stigmatization. People in the past suffered from physical and psychological and societal pressures as much or more but they just had no choice but to tolerate their shitty lives. People have more choices and more freedom today and sure that creates challenges but also opportunities to find better lives. Teach your kids to embrace possibilities instead of fearing them.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

This poster always does this. I think it’s possible that the idea that we aren’t comfortable with where things are for everyone is threatening to people that belong to groups that have made big gains over the last century. I know I feel it sometimes when people say things like—“it was so much better when women were at home with kids” etc etc. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

I’m talking about a world that looks like the one we have, but even better, where women and men from every background have equal opportunities to thrive because they aren’t being absolutely crushed by the top 1% who have made obscene profits off of the technological advancements that are supposed to be making our lives better but are leaving us burnt out instead. Our productivity expectations today are insane compared to the generation of people before us. When I first started my professional career having ONE client meeting a day was a big deal. Now I have ten that I cram in the same number of hours because technology. I don’t think my pay increased to reflect that. Just an example.

You people are the ones in this thread saying this is the most stressful and complicated time to live ever. That was literally written by one of you. Of course people are going to point out the abject absurdity of that statement.

It is though. Humans are living in far more of a complex system than they used to. People alive today are able to talk to people across the world instantaneously when that wasn’t true for their parents. If you don’t think that ups the complexity of life I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a lot for the world to deal with. We have made huge strides but we aren’t keeping up with the externalities.

Why is a global society a negative? It would be a dream to people of the past. Kids today don’t have to live the miserable lives of their parents class and clan. They aren’t stuck living as a coal miners daughter than a coal miner’s wife and then a coal miner’s mother. They can live their own lives and control their own destinies.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you all spend so much time and energy looking for some justification to call yourself a victim? Your lives are not that bad. Grow up.

I’m not a victim. If anything I’m one of the few people on the planet benefitting from having things the way they are, but I do see the long term consequences of aimless kids growing up to be fragile aimless humans. See the the recent thread on the classified doc leak for an example.

Kids are not more aimless today than in previous generations. Young women are as engaged as ever. Young men have f*ed up their lives and the lives of people around them for ages. Thankfully, we are much less dependent on them as the women are ready to take over.

Wow... How convenient that you leave off the host off issues like anxiety and depression that's plaguing young women today. And how naive to think that young women can be happy without well adjusted young men and vice versa. Your mentally is the reason people are so aimless today.

NP.

The exploding rates of teen depression, spiking teen suicide, crisis leve fentanyl use, decreasing life expectancy in the US, and overall lowering of satisfaction are obvious proof:

- something is wrong.

Feel free to disagree with the author of the video as to root causes.

But only a complete moron would argue there is not a crisis facing youth in the US today.

-

There are more diagnoses because there is more available healthcare and treatment and less stigmatization. People in the past suffered from physical and psychological and societal pressures as much or more but they just had no choice but to tolerate their shitty lives. People have more choices and more freedom today and sure that creates challenges but also opportunities to find better lives. Teach your kids to embrace possibilities instead of fearing them.

IOW “everything is fine, nothing to see here”? Give me a break. You got yours so screw everybody else who is struggling today right?

If you’re the OBGYn posting here it’s not surprising. Not the most evidence-based practice. Lots of denial you need to bubble wrap yourself in to get through the day.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

This poster always does this. I think it’s possible that the idea that we aren’t comfortable with where things are for everyone is threatening to people that belong to groups that have made big gains over the last century. I know I feel it sometimes when people say things like—“it was so much better when women were at home with kids” etc etc. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

I’m talking about a world that looks like the one we have, but even better, where women and men from every background have equal opportunities to thrive because they aren’t being absolutely crushed by the top 1% who have made obscene profits off of the technological advancements that are supposed to be making our lives better but are leaving us burnt out instead. Our productivity expectations today are insane compared to the generation of people before us. When I first started my professional career having ONE client meeting a day was a big deal. Now I have ten that I cram in the same number of hours because technology. I don’t think my pay increased to reflect that. Just an example.

You people are the ones in this thread saying this is the most stressful and complicated time to live ever. That was literally written by one of you. Of course people are going to point out the abject absurdity of that statement.

It is though. Humans are living in far more of a complex system than they used to. People alive today are able to talk to people across the world instantaneously when that wasn’t true for their parents. If you don’t think that ups the complexity of life I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a lot for the world to deal with. We have made huge strides but we aren’t keeping up with the externalities.

Why is a global society a negative? It would be a dream to people of the past. Kids today don’t have to live the miserable lives of their parents class and clan. They aren’t stuck living as a coal miners daughter than a coal miner’s wife and then a coal miner’s mother. They can live their own lives and control their own destinies.

It isn’t a negative at all but like any change, especially rapid change, there are consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

This poster always does this. I think it’s possible that the idea that we aren’t comfortable with where things are for everyone is threatening to people that belong to groups that have made big gains over the last century. I know I feel it sometimes when people say things like—“it was so much better when women were at home with kids” etc etc. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

I’m talking about a world that looks like the one we have, but even better, where women and men from every background have equal opportunities to thrive because they aren’t being absolutely crushed by the top 1% who have made obscene profits off of the technological advancements that are supposed to be making our lives better but are leaving us burnt out instead. Our productivity expectations today are insane compared to the generation of people before us. When I first started my professional career having ONE client meeting a day was a big deal. Now I have ten that I cram in the same number of hours because technology. I don’t think my pay increased to reflect that. Just an example.

You people are the ones in this thread saying this is the most stressful and complicated time to live ever. That was literally written by one of you. Of course people are going to point out the abject absurdity of that statement.

It is though. Humans are living in far more of a complex system than they used to. People alive today are able to talk to people across the world instantaneously when that wasn’t true for their parents. If you don’t think that ups the complexity of life I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a lot for the world to deal with. We have made huge strides but we aren’t keeping up with the externalities.

Why is a global society a negative? It would be a dream to people of the past. Kids today don’t have to live the miserable lives of their parents class and clan. They aren’t stuck living as a coal miners daughter than a coal miner’s wife and then a coal miner’s mother. They can live their own lives and control their own destinies.

It isn’t a negative at all but like any change, especially rapid change, there are consequences.

Hit reply too soon. The consequences need to be addressed! That’s all I’m saying.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

This poster always does this. I think it’s possible that the idea that we aren’t comfortable with where things are for everyone is threatening to people that belong to groups that have made big gains over the last century. I know I feel it sometimes when people say things like—“it was so much better when women were at home with kids” etc etc. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

I’m talking about a world that looks like the one we have, but even better, where women and men from every background have equal opportunities to thrive because they aren’t being absolutely crushed by the top 1% who have made obscene profits off of the technological advancements that are supposed to be making our lives better but are leaving us burnt out instead. Our productivity expectations today are insane compared to the generation of people before us. When I first started my professional career having ONE client meeting a day was a big deal. Now I have ten that I cram in the same number of hours because technology. I don’t think my pay increased to reflect that. Just an example.

You people are the ones in this thread saying this is the most stressful and complicated time to live ever. That was literally written by one of you. Of course people are going to point out the abject absurdity of that statement.

It is though. Humans are living in far more of a complex system than they used to. People alive today are able to talk to people across the world instantaneously when that wasn’t true for their parents. If you don’t think that ups the complexity of life I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a lot for the world to deal with. We have made huge strides but we aren’t keeping up with the externalities.

Why is a global society a negative? It would be a dream to people of the past. Kids today don’t have to live the miserable lives of their parents class and clan. They aren’t stuck living as a coal miners daughter than a coal miner’s wife and then a coal miner’s mother. They can live their own lives and control their own destinies.

NP. People often dream of things that end up being negative and many (most?) positive things have downsides too. Hyperbolic rhetoric isn't helpful on either side, but it seems trivial to acknowledge that there are complexities involved in life in 21st century America that weren't present before and that handling those complexities is going to cause psychological problems for at least some people. You don't need to compare yourself to someone living through the Holocaust to see that.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

This poster always does this. I think it’s possible that the idea that we aren’t comfortable with where things are for everyone is threatening to people that belong to groups that have made big gains over the last century. I know I feel it sometimes when people say things like—“it was so much better when women were at home with kids” etc etc. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

I’m talking about a world that looks like the one we have, but even better, where women and men from every background have equal opportunities to thrive because they aren’t being absolutely crushed by the top 1% who have made obscene profits off of the technological advancements that are supposed to be making our lives better but are leaving us burnt out instead. Our productivity expectations today are insane compared to the generation of people before us. When I first started my professional career having ONE client meeting a day was a big deal. Now I have ten that I cram in the same number of hours because technology. I don’t think my pay increased to reflect that. Just an example.

You people are the ones in this thread saying this is the most stressful and complicated time to live ever. That was literally written by one of you. Of course people are going to point out the abject absurdity of that statement.

It is though. Humans are living in far more of a complex system than they used to. People alive today are able to talk to people across the world instantaneously when that wasn’t true for their parents. If you don’t think that ups the complexity of life I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a lot for the world to deal with. We have made huge strides but we aren’t keeping up with the externalities.

I think it is patently absurd and remarkably entitled to claim that instantaneous communication makes life more stressful and complicated than any other time in history.

And if you truly believe this, and are telling kids and teens this, no wonder we have a mental health crisis among teens in this world. They are being given the message that their stress about responding to SnapChat in time is graver than what refugee children go through. But they instinctively know that’s BS, everyone rational knows that’s self-indulgent nonsense. The disconnect with reality is enormous.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you all spend so much time and energy looking for some justification to call yourself a victim? Your lives are not that bad. Grow up.

I’m not a victim. If anything I’m one of the few people on the planet benefitting from having things the way they are, but I do see the long term consequences of aimless kids growing up to be fragile aimless humans. See the the recent thread on the classified doc leak for an example.

Kids are not more aimless today than in previous generations. Young women are as engaged as ever. Young men have f*ed up their lives and the lives of people around them for ages. Thankfully, we are much less dependent on them as the women are ready to take over.

Wow... How convenient that you leave off the host off issues like anxiety and depression that's plaguing young women today. And how naive to think that young women can be happy without well adjusted young men and vice versa. Your mentally is the reason people are so aimless today.

NP.

The exploding rates of teen depression, spiking teen suicide, crisis leve fentanyl use, decreasing life expectancy in the US, and overall lowering of satisfaction are obvious proof:

- something is wrong.

Feel free to disagree with the author of the video as to root causes.

But only a complete moron would argue there is not a crisis facing youth in the US today.

-

There are more diagnoses because there is more available healthcare and treatment and less stigmatization. People in the past suffered from physical and psychological and societal pressures as much or more but they just had no choice but to tolerate their shitty lives. People have more choices and more freedom today and sure that creates challenges but also opportunities to find better lives. Teach your kids to embrace possibilities instead of fearing them.

IOW “everything is fine, nothing to see here”? Give me a break. You got yours so screw everybody else who is struggling today right?

If you’re the OBGYn posting here it’s not surprising. Not the most evidence-based practice. Lots of denial you need to bubble wrap yourself in to get through the day.

What a paranoid whacko you are.

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lots of things about advanced modernity make people miserable

this is obvious

less time with family, less awareness of any higher purpose, more meds and other crutches to pretend-cure everything, for a price

the biggest lie I can imagine about it all is "we just need more technological progress"

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you all spend so much time and energy looking for some justification to call yourself a victim? Your lives are not that bad. Grow up.

I’m not a victim. If anything I’m one of the few people on the planet benefitting from having things the way they are, but I do see the long term consequences of aimless kids growing up to be fragile aimless humans. See the the recent thread on the classified doc leak for an example.

Kids are not more aimless today than in previous generations. Young women are as engaged as ever. Young men have f*ed up their lives and the lives of people around them for ages. Thankfully, we are much less dependent on them as the women are ready to take over.

Wow... How convenient that you leave off the host off issues like anxiety and depression that's plaguing young women today. And how naive to think that young women can be happy without well adjusted young men and vice versa. Your mentally is the reason people are so aimless today.

NP.

The exploding rates of teen depression, spiking teen suicide, crisis leve fentanyl use, decreasing life expectancy in the US, and overall lowering of satisfaction are obvious proof:

- something is wrong.

Feel free to disagree with the author of the video as to root causes.

But only a complete moron would argue there is not a crisis facing youth in the US today.

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There are more diagnoses because there is more available healthcare and treatment and less stigmatization. People in the past suffered from physical and psychological and societal pressures as much or more but they just had no choice but to tolerate their shitty lives. People have more choices and more freedom today and sure that creates challenges but also opportunities to find better lives. Teach your kids to embrace possibilities instead of fearing them.

IOW “everything is fine, nothing to see here”? Give me a break. You got yours so screw everybody else who is struggling today right?

If you’re the OBGYn posting here it’s not surprising. Not the most evidence-based practice. Lots of denial you need to bubble wrap yourself in to get through the day.

What a paranoid whacko you are.

Hit a nerve huh? Who does it serve to pretend things aren’t as complicated and nuanced as they are? Such a strange way to interact with people on a discussion board.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

This poster always does this. I think it’s possible that the idea that we aren’t comfortable with where things are for everyone is threatening to people that belong to groups that have made big gains over the last century. I know I feel it sometimes when people say things like—“it was so much better when women were at home with kids” etc etc. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

I’m talking about a world that looks like the one we have, but even better, where women and men from every background have equal opportunities to thrive because they aren’t being absolutely crushed by the top 1% who have made obscene profits off of the technological advancements that are supposed to be making our lives better but are leaving us burnt out instead. Our productivity expectations today are insane compared to the generation of people before us. When I first started my professional career having ONE client meeting a day was a big deal. Now I have ten that I cram in the same number of hours because technology. I don’t think my pay increased to reflect that. Just an example.

You people are the ones in this thread saying this is the most stressful and complicated time to live ever. That was literally written by one of you. Of course people are going to point out the abject absurdity of that statement.

It is though. Humans are living in far more of a complex system than they used to. People alive today are able to talk to people across the world instantaneously when that wasn’t true for their parents. If you don’t think that ups the complexity of life I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a lot for the world to deal with. We have made huge strides but we aren’t keeping up with the externalities.

I think it is patently absurd and remarkably entitled to claim that instantaneous communication makes life more stressful and complicated than any other time in history.

And if you truly believe this, and are telling kids and teens this, no wonder we have a mental health crisis among teens in this world. They are being given the message that their stress about responding to SnapChat in time is graver than what refugee children go through. But they instinctively know that’s BS, everyone rational knows that’s self-indulgent nonsense. The disconnect with reality is enormous.

silly comparison

only refugee children understand what refugee children go through

thanks to the Internet, humans are bombarded 24/7 with irrelevant but threatening information (fear porn news, instant images of violence all over the world, etc.) as well as the need to compare themselves to total strangers all the time, also irrelevant in practical terms but not very good for our lizard brains

if you honestly think that social media and an always-on news cycle AREN'T stressful for normal people, in measures that far outweigh their actual utility, you are truly blind

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

This poster always does this. I think it’s possible that the idea that we aren’t comfortable with where things are for everyone is threatening to people that belong to groups that have made big gains over the last century. I know I feel it sometimes when people say things like—“it was so much better when women were at home with kids” etc etc. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

I’m talking about a world that looks like the one we have, but even better, where women and men from every background have equal opportunities to thrive because they aren’t being absolutely crushed by the top 1% who have made obscene profits off of the technological advancements that are supposed to be making our lives better but are leaving us burnt out instead. Our productivity expectations today are insane compared to the generation of people before us. When I first started my professional career having ONE client meeting a day was a big deal. Now I have ten that I cram in the same number of hours because technology. I don’t think my pay increased to reflect that. Just an example.

You people are the ones in this thread saying this is the most stressful and complicated time to live ever. That was literally written by one of you. Of course people are going to point out the abject absurdity of that statement.

It is though. Humans are living in far more of a complex system than they used to. People alive today are able to talk to people across the world instantaneously when that wasn’t true for their parents. If you don’t think that ups the complexity of life I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a lot for the world to deal with. We have made huge strides but we aren’t keeping up with the externalities.

I think it is patently absurd and remarkably entitled to claim that instantaneous communication makes life more stressful and complicated than any other time in history.

And if you truly believe this, and are telling kids and teens this, no wonder we have a mental health crisis among teens in this world. They are being given the message that their stress about responding to SnapChat in time is graver than what refugee children go through. But they instinctively know that’s BS, everyone rational knows that’s self-indulgent nonsense. The disconnect with reality is enormous.

silly comparison

only refugee children understand what refugee children go through

thanks to the Internet, humans are bombarded 24/7 with irrelevant but threatening information (fear porn news, instant images of violence all over the world, etc.) as well as the need to compare themselves to total strangers all the time, also irrelevant in practical terms but not very good for our lizard brains

if you honestly think that social media and an always-on news cycle AREN'T stressful for normal people, in measures that far outweigh their actual utility, you are truly blind

also, of course, no one alive can say what it was like to live a hundred years ago or at virtually any other time in history, compared to now

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

This poster always does this. I think it’s possible that the idea that we aren’t comfortable with where things are for everyone is threatening to people that belong to groups that have made big gains over the last century. I know I feel it sometimes when people say things like—“it was so much better when women were at home with kids” etc etc. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

I’m talking about a world that looks like the one we have, but even better, where women and men from every background have equal opportunities to thrive because they aren’t being absolutely crushed by the top 1% who have made obscene profits off of the technological advancements that are supposed to be making our lives better but are leaving us burnt out instead. Our productivity expectations today are insane compared to the generation of people before us. When I first started my professional career having ONE client meeting a day was a big deal. Now I have ten that I cram in the same number of hours because technology. I don’t think my pay increased to reflect that. Just an example.

You people are the ones in this thread saying this is the most stressful and complicated time to live ever. That was literally written by one of you. Of course people are going to point out the abject absurdity of that statement.

It is though. Humans are living in far more of a complex system than they used to. People alive today are able to talk to people across the world instantaneously when that wasn’t true for their parents. If you don’t think that ups the complexity of life I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a lot for the world to deal with. We have made huge strides but we aren’t keeping up with the externalities.

I think it is patently absurd and remarkably entitled to claim that instantaneous communication makes life more stressful and complicated than any other time in history.

And if you truly believe this, and are telling kids and teens this, no wonder we have a mental health crisis among teens in this world. They are being given the message that their stress about responding to SnapChat in time is graver than what refugee children go through. But they instinctively know that’s BS, everyone rational knows that’s self-indulgent nonsense. The disconnect with reality is enormous.

Ok then. I guess you’re gonna die on this hill. The rest of us are trying to figure out how to help people cope with a rapidly changing economy that has resulted from the absolutely insane explosion of communications and computer driven technology in our lifetimes. We are living in a society built and run by guys who didn’t even have TVs in their homes growing up.