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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective. [/quote]

Actually it is a proven fact that hunter gatherers lived a lifestyle with more leisure time and better treatment of women than after the transition to agricultural society.

“"Did our hunter-gatherers have it better off?" James Lancester asks in a recent issue of The New Yorker.

"We're flattering ourselves by believing that their existence was so grim and that our modern, civilized one is, by comparison, so great," Lancester writes.”

“A study back in the 1960s found the Bushmen have figured out a way to work only about 15 hours each week acquiring food and then another 15 to 20 hours on domestic chores. The rest of the time they could relax and focus on family, friends and hobbies.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/01/551018759/are-hunter-gatherers-the-happiest-humans-to-inhabit-earth

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Yes, I long for an era when I could squat in a field and give birth? Or sleep on rocks.  :roll: [/quote]

I kind of do. If you’ve given birth in a hospital it’s really not nice if you don’t absolutely need to be there.  And I’m pretty sure our hunter gatherer ancestors made themselves comfortable at night however they could.

The point is, a lot of the creature comforts we have now have come at an exceptional cost in terms of one’s ability to simply live without working all the time.[/quote]

I did give birth in a hospital. Had a C-section because my baby was 12 pounds at birth. I would have died in that field long ago.[/quote]

And many women have died in the hopsital that wouldn’t have if they’d been at home.  This thread isn’t about modern health care system but let’s not pretend it’s actually working all that well! Especially as maternal mortality rates in the US rise.[/quote]

Natural birth nut job twaddle and misinformation. [/quote]

Absolutely not. Go read the studies you weirdo. Modern medicine saves many more lives than it harms but it’s not perfect.[/quote]

I have undoubtedly read more studies about maternal mortality than you have. Your scientific illiteracy is showing. [/quote]

So your bias is showing because you can’t dispute the fact that more women are dying in childbirth now than just a few years ago? Is it because they’re dying at home?  What am I missing lol.[/quote]

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