Are Ivies still enrolling the best students? Yes, but maybe not undergrads

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The Ivies do attract the absolute best. I've done both - midwest state flagship (undergrad) to Ivy (grad). There is no comparison. Trust me, the Ivy is a different league altogether and it allows you to truly peel away from the ordinary. However, do NOT obsess too much about the undergrad level. I personally was not overly impressed with the caliber of undergrads at the Ivy school I attended, and I know because I was a TA. The students in the grad or professional programs are worlds apart and represent the most talented group on campus. Get your degree anywhere and excel. I've met people who started at a community college, transferred to a four-year college and admitted to medical school at my Ivy.

Something tells me the Ivy undergrads were not impressed by you and wished they were assigned a different TA.
This is such a dumb post

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Lots of whiny PhD students & post docs don’t seem to understand that they are STUDENTS

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Middle class making money based life choices isn't a new thing. More so for sandwiched families who are supporting children's education and parent's retirement.

Obviously there are people who upped their lifestyles and didn't save enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton is seriously over-rated. Full of legacy admits, many of whom would not get into other top schools. This will catch up with them, the brand I mean.

This. I’ve never heard of anyone actually attending Princeton. I know kids at every other Ivy but no one ever gets in. It’s all for rich and connected kids.

I’ve met some seriously meh people who went to Princeton.
Over time they mentioned how their dad and grandparent, etc also went to Princeton.
They care a lot about lineage although I think I read somewhere that they are trying to lessen that.
They also heavily recruit for sports

Brooke Shields went to Princeton and published her transcript as a proof she went. That created a scandal of sort be ause all her courses were Micky mouse classes.

Mitchelle Obama went there, too. Now that's something. She's a real deal who happened to have married a Washington DC politician.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton is seriously over-rated. Full of legacy admits, many of whom would not get into other top schools. This will catch up with them, the brand I mean.

This. I’ve never heard of anyone actually attending Princeton. I know kids at every other Ivy but no one ever gets in. It’s all for rich and connected kids.

I’ve met some seriously meh people who went to Princeton.
Over time they mentioned how their dad and grandparent, etc also went to Princeton.
They care a lot about lineage although I think I read somewhere that they are trying to lessen that.
They also heavily recruit for sports

Brooke Shields went to Princeton and published her transcript as a proof she went. That created a scandal of sort be ause all her courses were Micky mouse classes.

Mitchelle Obama went there, too. Now that's something. She's a real deal who happened to have married a Washington DC politician.

Real deal sociology major. Talk about mickey mouse classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton is seriously over-rated. Full of legacy admits, many of whom would not get into other top schools. This will catch up with them, the brand I mean.

This. I’ve never heard of anyone actually attending Princeton. I know kids at every other Ivy but no one ever gets in. It’s all for rich and connected kids.

I’ve met some seriously meh people who went to Princeton.
Over time they mentioned how their dad and grandparent, etc also went to Princeton.
They care a lot about lineage although I think I read somewhere that they are trying to lessen that.
They also heavily recruit for sports

Brooke Shields went to Princeton and published her transcript as a proof she went. That created a scandal of sort be ause all her courses were Micky mouse classes.

Mitchelle Obama went there, too. Now that's something. She's a real deal who happened to have married a Washington DC politician.

Real deal sociology major. Talk about mickey mouse classes.

Her senior thesis was navel-gazing gibberish but she did get into Harvard Law.

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Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Maybe for Econ but not true for a lot of majors.

Also, on this board we lump law and medicine into “grad school”. Helpful to remember before you insult people’s choices here.

Law degrees out outside T14 are useless.

There are a boatload of stinking rich lawyers out there who graduated from local bottom-tier law schools.

They're smart and they had a plan. It's a harder row to hoe, but if you're entrepreneurial, you can absolutely do this.

There seems like there was a time that if one managed to graduate with a law degree, they could get hired at a range of places or hang out a shingle and make a good living, even if not a swell one. Alas, that hasn't been the case for quite awhile - most folks don't realize it is now a harder row to hoe and has been for about 20+ years. And, in reality, most folks are not entrepreneurial.

Our parents and grandparents could probably succeed in law with a degree from any diploma mill. That's just not the reality any more.

And still, the idea that anything below “t14” is waste of money is absurd. Not everyone wants to defend corporations and work 80 hours a week.

Wholly agree, but those loans are also crushing.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton is seriously over-rated. Full of legacy admits, many of whom would not get into other top schools. This will catch up with them, the brand I mean.

This. I’ve never heard of anyone actually attending Princeton. I know kids at every other Ivy but no one ever gets in. It’s all for rich and connected kids.

I’ve met some seriously meh people who went to Princeton.
Over time they mentioned how their dad and grandparent, etc also went to Princeton.
They care a lot about lineage although I think I read somewhere that they are trying to lessen that.
They also heavily recruit for sports

I know 3 Princeton legacy in DC's class who applied to P. A male got in REA or whatever they do. The female was deferred (? - can't remember) REA. And the second male got in RD after being rejected consecutively at a T20 school and a T20 LAC. Both males are white and the female is URM. The female and second male, according to DC, were top 5 in an unranked class in most rigorous classes. First male in slightly less rigorous classes and in top 20. (These kids are lifers - they know this stuff.)

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton is seriously over-rated. Full of legacy admits, many of whom would not get into other top schools. This will catch up with them, the brand I mean.

This. I’ve never heard of anyone actually attending Princeton. I know kids at every other Ivy but no one ever gets in. It’s all for rich and connected kids.

I’ve met some seriously meh people who went to Princeton.
Over time they mentioned how their dad and grandparent, etc also went to Princeton.
They care a lot about lineage although I think I read somewhere that they are trying to lessen that.
They also heavily recruit for sports

Brooke Shields went to Princeton and published her transcript as a proof she went. That created a scandal of sort be ause all her courses were Micky mouse classes.

Mitchelle Obama went there, too. Now that's something. She's a real deal who happened to have married a Washington DC politician.

Real deal sociology major. Talk about mickey mouse classes.

Her senior thesis was navel-gazing gibberish but she did get into Harvard Law.

Fairly confident she has never been trash-talking other moms on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To append a previous/similar post:


The Ivies do attract the absolute best. I've done both - midwest state flagship (undergrad) to Ivy (grad). There is no comparison. Trust me, the Ivy is a different league altogether and it allows you to truly peel away from the ordinary. However, do NOT obsess too much about the undergrad level. I personally was not overly impressed with the caliber of undergrads at the Ivy school I attended, and I know because I was a TA. The students in the grad or professional programs are worlds apart and represent the most talented group on campus. Get your degree anywhere and excel. I've met people who started at a community college, transferred to a four-year college and admitted to medical school at my Ivy.

Which Ivy ?

Worthless post without naming the particular Ivy ?

My money is on Columbia.

Would like to know which Ivy you are referring to as well. Because I followed a similar path to you - State U in the Midwest to Yale PhD and, now, I am back teaching at a State U - and my experience has been the total opposite. ~95% of the Yale undergrads I’ve interacted with have been whip-smart, engaged, challenging, hard-working. These kids would come to class always prepared, many even did more than what was required, asked me challenging questions and were actively engaged in their learning. At the State U, it’s the opposite for me - only 5% of the class is at the level of the Yale undergrads, the remaining either does the bare minimum and/or is not engaged at all and cares more about what party they’ll go to on the weekend than the course material.

Also, your post smacks a bit of bitterness and resentment. I can tell because I’ve encountered it among some of my fellow Yale PhDs. Somehow deep inside they resented that they never made it to an Ivy undergrad and would try to put the undergrads down to make themselves feel better about that fact. It didn’t help that at Yale you really do feel that the undergrads are at the heart of Yale University. I think you are trying to do the same by posting this thread, and I am glad that so many on here are calling you out on your BS.

[Anonymous]

Columbia is a real-estate conglomerate with Kaplan-like revenue streams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To append a previous/similar post:


The Ivies do attract the absolute best. I've done both - midwest state flagship (undergrad) to Ivy (grad). There is no comparison. Trust me, the Ivy is a different league altogether and it allows you to truly peel away from the ordinary. However, do NOT obsess too much about the undergrad level. I personally was not overly impressed with the caliber of undergrads at the Ivy school I attended, and I know because I was a TA. The students in the grad or professional programs are worlds apart and represent the most talented group on campus. Get your degree anywhere and excel. I've met people who started at a community college, transferred to a four-year college and admitted to medical school at my Ivy.

Which Ivy ?

Worthless post without naming the particular Ivy ?

My money is on Columbia.

Would like to know which Ivy you are referring to as well. Because I followed a similar path to you - State U in the Midwest to Yale PhD and, now, I am back teaching at a State U - and my experience has been the total opposite. ~95% of the Yale undergrads I’ve interacted with have been whip-smart, engaged, challenging, hard-working. These kids would come to class always prepared, many even did more than what was required, asked me challenging questions and were actively engaged in their learning. At the State U, it’s the opposite for me - only 5% of the class is at the level of the Yale undergrads, the remaining either does the bare minimum and/or is not engaged at all and cares more about what party they’ll go to on the weekend than the course material.

Also, your post smacks a bit of bitterness and resentment. I can tell because I’ve encountered it among some of my fellow Yale PhDs. Somehow deep inside they resented that they never made it to an Ivy undergrad and would try to put the undergrads down to make themselves feel better about that fact. It didn’t help that at Yale you really do feel that the undergrads are at the heart of Yale University. I think you are trying to do the same by posting this thread, and I am glad that so many on here are calling you out on your BS.

NP. I went to H for undergrad and MIT for grad school in the sciences. My experience matches the OP’s.

[Anonymous]

Of course students in grad and professional programs are the best. Everywhere. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get in to even the non-ivies for these programs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To append a previous/similar post:


The Ivies do attract the absolute best. I've done both - midwest state flagship (undergrad) to Ivy (grad). There is no comparison. Trust me, the Ivy is a different league altogether and it allows you to truly peel away from the ordinary. However, do NOT obsess too much about the undergrad level. I personally was not overly impressed with the caliber of undergrads at the Ivy school I attended, and I know because I was a TA. The students in the grad or professional programs are worlds apart and represent the most talented group on campus. Get your degree anywhere and excel. I've met people who started at a community college, transferred to a four-year college and admitted to medical school at my Ivy.

Which Ivy ?

Worthless post without naming the particular Ivy ?

My money is on Columbia.

Would like to know which Ivy you are referring to as well. Because I followed a similar path to you - State U in the Midwest to Yale PhD and, now, I am back teaching at a State U - and my experience has been the total opposite. ~95% of the Yale undergrads I’ve interacted with have been whip-smart, engaged, challenging, hard-working. These kids would come to class always prepared, many even did more than what was required, asked me challenging questions and were actively engaged in their learning. At the State U, it’s the opposite for me - only 5% of the class is at the level of the Yale undergrads, the remaining either does the bare minimum and/or is not engaged at all and cares more about what party they’ll go to on the weekend than the course material.

Also, your post smacks a bit of bitterness and resentment. I can tell because I’ve encountered it among some of my fellow Yale PhDs. Somehow deep inside they resented that they never made it to an Ivy undergrad and would try to put the undergrads down to make themselves feel better about that fact. It didn’t help that at Yale you really do feel that the undergrads are at the heart of Yale University. I think you are trying to do the same by posting this thread, and I am glad that so many on here are calling you out on your BS.

There's a joke circulating in YouTube. Ask a state university professor, "How many students are there at X University? Answer: 1 in 1000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To append a previous/similar post:


The Ivies do attract the absolute best. I've done both - midwest state flagship (undergrad) to Ivy (grad). There is no comparison. Trust me, the Ivy is a different league altogether and it allows you to truly peel away from the ordinary. However, do NOT obsess too much about the undergrad level. I personally was not overly impressed with the caliber of undergrads at the Ivy school I attended, and I know because I was a TA. The students in the grad or professional programs are worlds apart and represent the most talented group on campus. Get your degree anywhere and excel. I've met people who started at a community college, transferred to a four-year college and admitted to medical school at my Ivy.

Which Ivy ?

Worthless post without naming the particular Ivy ?

My money is on Columbia.

Would like to know which Ivy you are referring to as well. Because I followed a similar path to you - State U in the Midwest to Yale PhD and, now, I am back teaching at a State U - and my experience has been the total opposite. ~95% of the Yale undergrads I’ve interacted with have been whip-smart, engaged, challenging, hard-working. These kids would come to class always prepared, many even did more than what was required, asked me challenging questions and were actively engaged in their learning. At the State U, it’s the opposite for me - only 5% of the class is at the level of the Yale undergrads, the remaining either does the bare minimum and/or is not engaged at all and cares more about what party they’ll go to on the weekend than the course material.

Also, your post smacks a bit of bitterness and resentment. I can tell because I’ve encountered it among some of my fellow Yale PhDs. Somehow deep inside they resented that they never made it to an Ivy undergrad and would try to put the undergrads down to make themselves feel better about that fact. It didn’t help that at Yale you really do feel that the undergrads are at the heart of Yale University. I think you are trying to do the same by posting this thread, and I am glad that so many on here are calling you out on your BS.

NP. I went to H for undergrad and MIT for grad school in the sciences. My experience matches the OP’s.

What does H mean?