Are Ivies still enrolling the best students? Yes, but maybe not undergrads

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To append a previous/similar post:


The Ivies do attract the absolute best. I've done both - midwest state flagship (undergrad) to Ivy (grad). There is no comparison. Trust me, the Ivy is a different league altogether and it allows you to truly peel away from the ordinary. However, do NOT obsess too much about the undergrad level. I personally was not overly impressed with the caliber of undergrads at the Ivy school I attended, and I know because I was a TA. The students in the grad or professional programs are worlds apart and represent the most talented group on campus. Get your degree anywhere and excel. I've met people who started at a community college, transferred to a four-year college and admitted to medical school at my Ivy.

So where's the "different league altogether" if you were not overly impressed with the caliber of Ivy undergrads?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Maybe for Econ but not true for a lot of majors.

Also, on this board we lump law and medicine into “grad school”. Helpful to remember before you insult people’s choices here.

Law degrees out outside T14 are useless.

There are a boatload of stinking rich lawyers out there who graduated from local bottom-tier law schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is basically one dude bro pumping himself up that he is amazing because he got into an ivy for graduate school and is therefore more deserving than undergrads. Weird. I wish these “elite” schools would stop admitting so many dark triad types.

+1

For grad school, ivies can be good. But not always.

Just take a look at your own discipline to see if ivies matter. Often, it's the public university that takes the top positions. For philosophy graduate programs, Rutgers tops the list. For philosophy of science, it's Pittsburgh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is basically one dude bro pumping himself up that he is amazing because he got into an ivy for graduate school and is therefore more deserving than undergrads. Weird. I wish these “elite” schools would stop admitting so many dark triad types.

+1

For grad school, ivies can be good. But not always.

Just take a look at your own discipline to see if ivies matter. Often, it's the public university that takes the top positions. For philosophy graduate programs, Rutgers tops the list. For philosophy of science, it's Pittsburgh.

https://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2010/09/a-quick-guide-to-the-new-national-research-council-rankings.html#more

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To append a previous/similar post:


The Ivies do attract the absolute best. I've done both - midwest state flagship (undergrad) to Ivy (grad). There is no comparison. Trust me, the Ivy is a different league altogether and it allows you to truly peel away from the ordinary. However, do NOT obsess too much about the undergrad level. I personally was not overly impressed with the caliber of undergrads at the Ivy school I attended, and I know because I was a TA. The students in the grad or professional programs are worlds apart and represent the most talented group on campus. Get your degree anywhere and excel. I've met people who started at a community college, transferred to a four-year college and admitted to medical school at my Ivy.

You are high on your own supply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Maybe for Econ but not true for a lot of majors.

Also, on this board we lump law and medicine into “grad school”. Helpful to remember before you insult people’s choices here.

Law degrees out outside T14 are useless.

There are a boatload of stinking rich lawyers out there who graduated from local bottom-tier law schools.

They're smart and they had a plan. It's a harder row to hoe, but if you're entrepreneurial, you can absolutely do this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Maybe for Econ but not true for a lot of majors.

Also, on this board we lump law and medicine into “grad school”. Helpful to remember before you insult people’s choices here.

Law degrees out outside T14 are useless.

There are a boatload of stinking rich lawyers out there who graduated from local bottom-tier law schools.

They're smart and they had a plan. It's a harder row to hoe, but if you're entrepreneurial, you can absolutely do this.

There are lots of lawyers coming from lower than US News silly 14 making a great living doing work that’s important to them. Just because you think “big law” is all that matters doesn’t mean everyone else does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Maybe for Econ but not true for a lot of majors.

Also, on this board we lump law and medicine into “grad school”. Helpful to remember before you insult people’s choices here.

Law degrees out outside T14 are useless.

There are a boatload of stinking rich lawyers out there who graduated from local bottom-tier law schools.

They're smart and they had a plan. It's a harder row to hoe, but if you're entrepreneurial, you can absolutely do this.

There are lots of lawyers coming from lower than US News silly 14 making a great living doing work that’s important to them. Just because you think “big law” is all that matters doesn’t mean everyone else does.

There are a bunch of personal injury & divorce law firms in my hometown. The lawyers at them live like royalty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Maybe for Econ but not true for a lot of majors.

Also, on this board we lump law and medicine into “grad school”. Helpful to remember before you insult people’s choices here.

Law degrees out outside T14 are useless.

There are a boatload of stinking rich lawyers out there who graduated from local bottom-tier law schools.

They're smart and they had a plan. It's a harder row to hoe, but if you're entrepreneurial, you can absolutely do this.

There are lots of lawyers coming from lower than US News silly 14 making a great living doing work that’s important to them. Just because you think “big law” is all that matters doesn’t mean everyone else does.

There are a bunch of personal injury & divorce law firms in my hometown. The lawyers at them live like royalty.

Haha not my idea of royalty.

[Anonymous]

OP is probably in dental school at Cornell. Stretching the truth in every way.

This thread reminds me that med schools should do psych evaluations as part of the application process and that sociopaths get ahead by being awful to others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Maybe for Econ but not true for a lot of majors.

Also, on this board we lump law and medicine into “grad school”. Helpful to remember before you insult people’s choices here.

Law degrees out outside T14 are useless.

There are a boatload of stinking rich lawyers out there who graduated from local bottom-tier law schools.

They're smart and they had a plan. It's a harder row to hoe, but if you're entrepreneurial, you can absolutely do this.

There seems like there was a time that if one managed to graduate with a law degree, they could get hired at a range of places or hang out a shingle and make a good living, even if not a swell one. Alas, that hasn't been the case for quite awhile - most folks don't realize it is now a harder row to hoe and has been for about 20+ years. And, in reality, most folks are not entrepreneurial.

Our parents and grandparents could probably succeed in law with a degree from any diploma mill. That's just not the reality any more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Maybe for Econ but not true for a lot of majors.

Also, on this board we lump law and medicine into “grad school”. Helpful to remember before you insult people’s choices here.

Law degrees out outside T14 are useless.

There are a boatload of stinking rich lawyers out there who graduated from local bottom-tier law schools.

They're smart and they had a plan. It's a harder row to hoe, but if you're entrepreneurial, you can absolutely do this.

There seems like there was a time that if one managed to graduate with a law degree, they could get hired at a range of places or hang out a shingle and make a good living, even if not a swell one. Alas, that hasn't been the case for quite awhile - most folks don't realize it is now a harder row to hoe and has been for about 20+ years. And, in reality, most folks are not entrepreneurial.

Our parents and grandparents could probably succeed in law with a degree from any diploma mill. That's just not the reality any more.

And still, the idea that anything below “t14” is waste of money is absurd. Not everyone wants to defend corporations and work 80 hours a week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Princeton is seriously over-rated. Full of legacy admits, many of whom would not get into other top schools. This will catch up with them, the brand I mean.

This. I’ve never heard of anyone actually attending Princeton. I know kids at every other Ivy but no one ever gets in. It’s all for rich and connected kids.

I’ve met some seriously meh people who went to Princeton.
Over time they mentioned how their dad and grandparent, etc also went to Princeton.
They care a lot about lineage although I think I read somewhere that they are trying to lessen that.
They also heavily recruit for sports

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Maybe for Econ but not true for a lot of majors.

Also, on this board we lump law and medicine into “grad school”. Helpful to remember before you insult people’s choices here.

Law degrees out outside T14 are useless.

There are a boatload of stinking rich lawyers out there who graduated from local bottom-tier law schools.

They're smart and they had a plan. It's a harder row to hoe, but if you're entrepreneurial, you can absolutely do this.

There seems like there was a time that if one managed to graduate with a law degree, they could get hired at a range of places or hang out a shingle and make a good living, even if not a swell one. Alas, that hasn't been the case for quite awhile - most folks don't realize it is now a harder row to hoe and has been for about 20+ years. And, in reality, most folks are not entrepreneurial.

Our parents and grandparents could probably succeed in law with a degree from any diploma mill. That's just not the reality any more.

And still, the idea that anything below “t14” is waste of money is absurd. Not everyone wants to defend corporations and work 80 hours a week.

Post-2008, job opportunities for lawyers are pretty limited.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Maybe for Econ but not true for a lot of majors.

Also, on this board we lump law and medicine into “grad school”. Helpful to remember before you insult people’s choices here.

Law degrees out outside T14 are useless.

There are a boatload of stinking rich lawyers out there who graduated from local bottom-tier law schools.

They're smart and they had a plan. It's a harder row to hoe, but if you're entrepreneurial, you can absolutely do this.

There seems like there was a time that if one managed to graduate with a law degree, they could get hired at a range of places or hang out a shingle and make a good living, even if not a swell one. Alas, that hasn't been the case for quite awhile - most folks don't realize it is now a harder row to hoe and has been for about 20+ years. And, in reality, most folks are not entrepreneurial.

Our parents and grandparents could probably succeed in law with a degree from any diploma mill. That's just not the reality any more.

And still, the idea that anything below “t14” is waste of money is absurd. Not everyone wants to defend corporations and work 80 hours a week.

Post-2008, job opportunities for lawyers are pretty limited.

Only if your single goal is to be rich and powerful.