Are Ivies still enrolling the best students? Yes, but maybe not undergrads

[Anonymous]

To append a previous/similar post:


The Ivies do attract the absolute best. I've done both - midwest state flagship (undergrad) to Ivy (grad). There is no comparison. Trust me, the Ivy is a different league altogether and it allows you to truly peel away from the ordinary. However, do NOT obsess too much about the undergrad level. I personally was not overly impressed with the caliber of undergrads at the Ivy school I attended, and I know because I was a TA. The students in the grad or professional programs are worlds apart and represent the most talented group on campus. Get your degree anywhere and excel. I've met people who started at a community college, transferred to a four-year college and admitted to medical school at my Ivy.

[Anonymous]

Columbia has a ton of in-person degree-mill, cash-cow master’s programs that admit anyone. It also has multiple “revenue streams” like the “General Studies” program that gives students little FA & treats them second class.

Penn, Columbia, Cornell and Harvard all have a bunch of bullsh*t online master’s degrees that cost an arm & leg. Harvard & Penn have “extension schools.”

However, I’ve heard Princeton hasn’t bought into any of that crap. They are the strictest on who is allowed to even audit a class.

[Anonymous]

Medical school, law school, STEM PhD programs & in-person, full-time MBA programs? Completely agree with you.

Any other kind of grad or professional program at a top school? No

[Anonymous]

The Varsity Blues scandal was bribing for undergrad admissions for a reason.

[Anonymous]

If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Medical school, law school, STEM PhD programs & in-person, full-time MBA programs? Completely agree with you.

Any other kind of grad or professional program at a top school? No

Are you kidding? Getting into a PhD program in history, economics or philosophy at any of the ivies is seriously difficult and you have to be utterly top tier to get in to those programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medical school, law school, STEM PhD programs & in-person, full-time MBA programs? Completely agree with you.

Any other kind of grad or professional program at a top school? No

Are you kidding? Getting into a PhD program in history, economics or philosophy at any of the ivies is seriously difficult and you have to be utterly top tier to get in to those programs.

History & philosophy PhD’s have horrific unemployment rates & employment prospects. Not to mention, 99% of them have no chance of getting tenure anywhere nowadays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medical school, law school, STEM PhD programs & in-person, full-time MBA programs? Completely agree with you.

Any other kind of grad or professional program at a top school? No

Are you kidding? Getting into a PhD program in history, economics or philosophy at any of the ivies is seriously difficult and you have to be utterly top tier to get in to those programs.

This is not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medical school, law school, STEM PhD programs & in-person, full-time MBA programs? Completely agree with you.

Any other kind of grad or professional program at a top school? No

Are you kidding? Getting into a PhD program in history, economics or philosophy at any of the ivies is seriously difficult and you have to be utterly top tier to get in to those programs.

Don’t know about this but Harvard Kennedy School is a cash cow. So are Penn Dental, Vet, Social Work & Education. Low admissions standards & very, very high student debt coming out of those programs relative to their tuitions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medical school, law school, STEM PhD programs & in-person, full-time MBA programs? Completely agree with you.

Any other kind of grad or professional program at a top school? No

Are you kidding? Getting into a PhD program in history, economics or philosophy at any of the ivies is seriously difficult and you have to be utterly top tier to get in to those programs.

History & philosophy PhD’s have horrific unemployment rates & employment prospects. Not to mention, 99% of them have no chance of getting tenure anywhere nowadays.

Ok, but even so an Ivy PhD is the only kind worth getting, don’t even bother anywhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Medical school, law school, STEM PhD programs & in-person, full-time MBA programs? Completely agree with you.

Any other kind of grad or professional program at a top school? No

Are you kidding? Getting into a PhD program in history, economics or philosophy at any of the ivies is seriously difficult and you have to be utterly top tier to get in to those programs.

History & philosophy PhD’s have horrific unemployment rates & employment prospects. Not to mention, 99% of them have no chance of getting tenure anywhere nowadays.

Ok, but even so an Ivy PhD is the only kind worth getting, don’t even bother anywhere else.

Not even Columbia.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/columbia-had-little-success-placing-english-ph-d-s-on-the-tenure-track-alarm-followed-and-the-university-responded/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To append a previous/similar post:


The Ivies do attract the absolute best. I've done both - midwest state flagship (undergrad) to Ivy (grad). There is no comparison. Trust me, the Ivy is a different league altogether and it allows you to truly peel away from the ordinary. However, do NOT obsess too much about the undergrad level. I personally was not overly impressed with the caliber of undergrads at the Ivy school I attended, and I know because I was a TA. The students in the grad or professional programs are worlds apart and represent the most talented group on campus. Get your degree anywhere and excel. I've met people who started at a community college, transferred to a four-year college and admitted to medical school at my Ivy.

Quoting a tenured Ivy professor “I don’t know how some of the students in my class got in….this happens in every class“

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you get a good undergraduate degree (i.e Econ at Williams or Amherst, Wharton undergrad) you won’t need to get another degree.

Sure, tell that to doctors and research scientists working on a cure for cancer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Columbia has a ton of in-person degree-mill, cash-cow master’s programs that admit anyone. It also has multiple “revenue streams” like the “General Studies” program that gives students little FA & treats them second class.

Penn, Columbia, Cornell and Harvard all have a bunch of bullsh*t online master’s degrees that cost an arm & leg. Harvard & Penn have “extension schools.”

However, I’ve heard Princeton hasn’t bought into any of that crap. They are the strictest on who is allowed to even audit a class.

OH lord, Jesus - thank Christ! For real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia has a ton of in-person degree-mill, cash-cow master’s programs that admit anyone. It also has multiple “revenue streams” like the “General Studies” program that gives students little FA & treats them second class.

Penn, Columbia, Cornell and Harvard all have a bunch of bullsh*t online master’s degrees that cost an arm & leg. Harvard & Penn have “extension schools.”

However, I’ve heard Princeton hasn’t bought into any of that crap. They are the strictest on who is allowed to even audit a class.

OH lord, Jesus - thank Christ! For real.

Yes, thank them for keeping their standards high instead of diluting their brand with a bunch of cash cow revenue streams like the other Ivies have.