Explaining lack of playing time

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Anonymous wrote:Great player + great attitude but doesn’t get to play in high school or club? Someone sounds like they are deluding themselves, OP. Maybe the coach is your ex and still bitter about the breakup?

NP. Come on. This is almost absurdly idealistic. There are many terrible reasons this happens, including racism, bias against the kid for reasons totally out of their control, classicism, etc. I’ve seen coaches blackball a kid because a sibling ten years earlier was not good. I’ve seen coaches refuse to play a kid for reasons that in the employment context would be overtly illegal.

I have one kid who is a current college athlete and another on the way. I have been through it. You people who believe in the myth of meritocracy in youth sports are ridiculous.

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Thank you stating this and doing it in such a non-inflammatory way. We know a D1 recruit who never got playing time on a team and no one ever knew why.

I know a girl who barley played for her high school basketball team because the coach just didn't like her. She did play and shine on an AAU team that played in really big exposure tournaments though. No one on her high school team would have even made the bench for her club team, but the coach had favorites. That being said, I don't see how a kid who doesn't get playing time in school or club ever catches a coach's eye and gets recruited unless they are really impressive in a camp

Basketball recruiting is all about AAU. High school doesn’t matter.

This is not what college coaches said when we spoke with them during my kid’s recruitment. AAU —- if you play for a high profile team — is great for exposure. But coaches told us that they wouldn’t consider a kid who didn’t play for their high school team.

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Anonymous wrote:Great player + great attitude but doesn’t get to play in high school or club? Someone sounds like they are deluding themselves, OP. Maybe the coach is your ex and still bitter about the breakup?

NP. Come on. This is almost absurdly idealistic. There are many terrible reasons this happens, including racism, bias against the kid for reasons totally out of their control, classicism, etc. I’ve seen coaches blackball a kid because a sibling ten years earlier was not good. I’ve seen coaches refuse to play a kid for reasons that in the employment context would be overtly illegal.

I have one kid who is a current college athlete and another on the way. I have been through it. You people who believe in the myth of meritocracy in youth sports are ridiculous.

+1
Thank you stating this and doing it in such a non-inflammatory way. We know a D1 recruit who never got playing time on a team and no one ever knew why.

I know a girl who barley played for her high school basketball team because the coach just didn't like her. She did play and shine on an AAU team that played in really big exposure tournaments though. No one on her high school team would have even made the bench for her club team, but the coach had favorites. That being said, I don't see how a kid who doesn't get playing time in school or club ever catches a coach's eye and gets recruited unless they are really impressive in a camp

Basketball recruiting is all about AAU. High school doesn’t matter.

This is not what college coaches said when we spoke with them during my kid’s recruitment. AAU —- if you play for a high profile team — is great for exposure. But coaches told us that they wouldn’t consider a kid who didn’t play for their high school team.

It’s difficult to explain to your AD and the boosters why you’re bringing in a kid who didn’t play for the HS team. It’s possible if you’re really good and there are explainable reasons (say transfer rules). But otherwise it’s difficult.

To the college All-American, why not go back and get a friendly media person to do a hit job on the HS coach? It’s really embarrassing to have had someone that talented in your school and you didn’t play him.

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Anonymous wrote:What sport? Each sport is different. But most mean you have to change teams. There is very little chance of being recruited if your kid isn’t playing. Like next to none.

Sounds like baseball or softball given the time of year

+1 some program like SJC with the club and hs teams linked.

OP, either switch schools or quit both teams and play for an unrelated club team.

This could be a number of local baseball teams. I know others, both public and private, that act just like this no only SJC. And in the cases I know of, plenty of competent, competitive players ride the bench for all different reasons. In fact, some kids that are bsolutely old enough don’t even make the team. It is not a meritocracy bc the coaches have more talent to choose from then they need. The only thing I can think of is the showcases and camp that others have already mentioned. Good luck to you and you DC!!

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Anonymous wrote:Well then what is the reason. If you want help here, you need to provide some details.

The question has nothing to do with the reasons. But how to work around.

No, sorry, there has to be a reason he's not getting playing time and that reason probably will impact his playing in college, too, so it absolutely matters.

Not really. You're just curious. It doesn't matter bc that aspect of it can't be changed. That said, I posted above the reason but I won't say more about it. I'm not saying anything identifying. Period.

OP's kid does not get along with the coach's kid -- for anyone looking for the reason.

What sport has a coach who has a kid on the team at a high level of play? That would not be the norm in the sports I am familiar with. Club teams have professional coaches. High schools have professional coaches. If that is happening, it’s time to switch clubs.

The coaches kid doesn’t have to play the sport for this to be an issue. Heck, doesn’t have to be the same age or gender or even at the same school.

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Anonymous wrote:Well then what is the reason. If you want help here, you need to provide some details.

The question has nothing to do with the reasons. But how to work around.

No, sorry, there has to be a reason he's not getting playing time and that reason probably will impact his playing in college, too, so it absolutely matters.

Not really. You're just curious. It doesn't matter bc that aspect of it can't be changed. That said, I posted above the reason but I won't say more about it. I'm not saying anything identifying. Period.

OP's kid does not get along with the coach's kid -- for anyone looking for the reason.

What sport has a coach who has a kid on the team at a high level of play? That would not be the norm in the sports I am familiar with. Club teams have professional coaches. High schools have professional coaches. If that is happening, it’s time to switch clubs.

The coaches kid doesn’t have to play the sport for this to be an issue. Heck, doesn’t have to be the same age or gender or even at the same school.

You make no sense. So, a professional coach can’t have kids that play???

I know 3 professional coaches who have high level players in the same club they coach, and one that coaches high school with a kid that attends same high school.

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^ that was meant for the poster you quoted- not u

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What sport? Each sport is different. But most mean you have to change teams. There is very little chance of being recruited if your kid isn’t playing. Like next to none.

Sounds like baseball or softball given the time of year

+1 some program like SJC with the club and hs teams linked.

OP, either switch schools or quit both teams and play for an unrelated club team.

This could be a number of local baseball teams. I know others, both public and private, that act just like this no only SJC. And in the cases I know of, plenty of competent, competitive players ride the bench for all different reasons. In fact, some kids that are bsolutely old enough don’t even make the team. It is not a meritocracy bc the coaches have more talent to choose from then they need. The only thing I can think of is the showcases and camp that others have already mentioned. Good luck to you and you DC!!

+1. Madison high baseball is like this too.

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You have to been seen in order to be recruited. If going into junior year or younger, transfer schools. If your child is talented, other coaches would love to have him. If your child is already a junior/senior, he will need to go to as many prospect days/showcases/etc... where he can be seen by coaches. No playtime also means no film, so, he's going to need to self advocate and reach out to all the schools he is interested in get to know the coaches before attending the prospect/showcases.

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Anonymous wrote:Great player + great attitude but doesn’t get to play in high school or club? Someone sounds like they are deluding themselves, OP. Maybe the coach is your ex and still bitter about the breakup?

NP. Come on. This is almost absurdly idealistic. There are many terrible reasons this happens, including racism, bias against the kid for reasons totally out of their control, classicism, etc. I’ve seen coaches blackball a kid because a sibling ten years earlier was not good. I’ve seen coaches refuse to play a kid for reasons that in the employment context would be overtly illegal.

I have one kid who is a current college athlete and another on the way. I have been through it. You people who believe in the myth of meritocracy in youth sports are ridiculous.

+1 completely agree

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great player + great attitude but doesn’t get to play in high school or club? Someone sounds like they are deluding themselves, OP. Maybe the coach is your ex and still bitter about the breakup?

NP. Come on. This is almost absurdly idealistic. There are many terrible reasons this happens, including racism, bias against the kid for reasons totally out of their control, classicism, etc. I’ve seen coaches blackball a kid because a sibling ten years earlier was not good. I’ve seen coaches refuse to play a kid for reasons that in the employment context would be overtly illegal.

I have one kid who is a current college athlete and another on the way. I have been through it. You people who believe in the myth of meritocracy in youth sports are ridiculous.

+1 completely agree

So, is there a point you ever SAY this to someone who is recruiting your kid? Example, if you think your kid isn't being played for a NON-ability reason (nepotism, favoritism, whatever)? Or is there a way to say it or tip off the recruiting school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great player + great attitude but doesn’t get to play in high school or club? Someone sounds like they are deluding themselves, OP. Maybe the coach is your ex and still bitter about the breakup?

NP. Come on. This is almost absurdly idealistic. There are many terrible reasons this happens, including racism, bias against the kid for reasons totally out of their control, classicism, etc. I’ve seen coaches blackball a kid because a sibling ten years earlier was not good. I’ve seen coaches refuse to play a kid for reasons that in the employment context would be overtly illegal.

I have one kid who is a current college athlete and another on the way. I have been through it. You people who believe in the myth of meritocracy in youth sports are ridiculous.

+1 completely agree

So, is there a point you ever SAY this to someone who is recruiting your kid? Example, if you think your kid isn't being played for a NON-ability reason (nepotism, favoritism, whatever)? Or is there a way to say it or tip off the recruiting school?

I think the only thing you(r kid says) is “Coach, let me show you what I can do. My in game minutes for the 20XX season don’t reflect everything that I can offer. Here’s film of me at [camp, showcase, whatever] that shows me contributing at a high level.”

When my kid was a sophomore, he was playing for a toxic HS coach that loved to play games with players and he was not getting film w/HS team. DS was in a workout group that included several senior D1 commits from other schools, and he attended some showcases where he really stood out. We had good film from showcases and from his club team, but we could also have shared film from scrimmages with the workout group (along with a message like the above) if we’d had to. Ultimately DS quit the sport at the start of junior year after coach’s head games got too extreme (shortly before coach was let go), but that’s what we would have done if he’d continued recruitment.

My point is that your kid can find another way to get some film and share that film along with positive comments about what they can do (not bashing current coach, which isn’t going to play well). I talked to a D3 coach at a camp, and he commented that he could tell I was being positive about a negative situation (he had watched DS play, and knew he was good). Coach commented that staying positive was smart and also that coaches can tell when player or parents are avoiding saying negative stuff and that coaches know not all HS situations are good or fair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great player + great attitude but doesn’t get to play in high school or club? Someone sounds like they are deluding themselves, OP. Maybe the coach is your ex and still bitter about the breakup?

NP. Come on. This is almost absurdly idealistic. There are many terrible reasons this happens, including racism, bias against the kid for reasons totally out of their control, classicism, etc. I’ve seen coaches blackball a kid because a sibling ten years earlier was not good. I’ve seen coaches refuse to play a kid for reasons that in the employment context would be overtly illegal.

I have one kid who is a current college athlete and another on the way. I have been through it. You people who believe in the myth of meritocracy in youth sports are ridiculous.

+1 completely agree

So, is there a point you ever SAY this to someone who is recruiting your kid? Example, if you think your kid isn't being played for a NON-ability reason (nepotism, favoritism, whatever)? Or is there a way to say it or tip off the recruiting school?

Nope. If a coach has seen your kid play at a higher level (AAU is higher than all high school with the possible exception of WCAC) and sees that they aren't playing on a much worse high school team, they can put 2 and 2 together.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great player + great attitude but doesn’t get to play in high school or club? Someone sounds like they are deluding themselves, OP. Maybe the coach is your ex and still bitter about the breakup?

NP. Come on. This is almost absurdly idealistic. There are many terrible reasons this happens, including racism, bias against the kid for reasons totally out of their control, classicism, etc. I’ve seen coaches blackball a kid because a sibling ten years earlier was not good. I’ve seen coaches refuse to play a kid for reasons that in the employment context would be overtly illegal.

I have one kid who is a current college athlete and another on the way. I have been through it. You people who believe in the myth of meritocracy in youth sports are ridiculous.

+1 completely agree

So, is there a point you ever SAY this to someone who is recruiting your kid? Example, if you think your kid isn't being played for a NON-ability reason (nepotism, favoritism, whatever)? Or is there a way to say it or tip off the recruiting school?

Nope. If a coach has seen your kid play at a higher level (AAU is higher than all high school with the possible exception of WCAC) and sees that they aren't playing on a much worse high school team, they can put 2 and 2 together.

Doesn't that just enable the shi---y coach to continue what he or she is doing? When is the reckoning for those folks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid was in a similar situation for his HS team — HS coach recruited an entire starting lineup of nationally ranked transfer players by the time DS was a sophomore. We spoke to college coaches about what to do, and they were unanimous that DS should transfer high schools.

We looked around a bit, but the only realistic options were an out of state public or a boarding school, and DS didn’t want to move just to play his sport. But I think that’s what we would have needed to do for DS to really be recruited.

Sounds like Bishop O'Connell baseball a few years ago. Bringing in a bunch of D1 transfers

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It really depends on the sport and even positions within specific sports. In most cases, transferring. Would be the best bet. But certain sports than have specific measurable s or where height/athleticism pop it might be more doable to stay.