Airplane noise concerns overblown?

[Anonymous]

I posted in another discussion about the Palisades (which eventually turned into an airplane noise discussion) and my response was called “reasonable” by airplane noise guy. I am posting again because I am SO frustrated that airplane noise guy is totally unreasonable!!! OP (and everyone else reading this) PLEASE realize that many of these posts are by the same individual complaining about the noise! It is literally a non issue for most of us! I think this issue is biggest for people who have lived in the area for decades and lament the “old” days when life was very different here. Maybe there were less planes, less traffic etc? (Apologies if I am reaching too much here— I’m just super frustrated at this person/group of people trying to prevent anyone else from moving here). Anyway, if you want to go to bed at 7pm or sleep in until 9am, get a noise machine. The rest of you will literally not think about it. My kids go to bed at 7:30pm and wake up at 8am and do not seem affected at all. Pretending that buyers need to be “warned” because they cannot assess a neighborhood themselves (I understand people may not have a long time to assess a house in a hot market but they have lots of time to assess a neighborhood) is ludicrous. Grown ups are capable of thinking for themselves! Also, people who choose to live ins large city typically expect to live around some noise! The Palisades cannot remain the sleepy place it was decades ago! But please have no doubt that the Palisades remains beautiful, friendly, community-oriented, and peaceful.
I know my post will quickly be overwhelmed by airplane noise guy but I had to put it out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would ask Jeff to look into sock puppeting on this thread and other ones, there is clearly one person who has an axe to grind (probably lost out on buying a house in this area or is angry at someone who lives here) and frequently posts the same things. It's unhinged. I live in this area and it doesn't bother me at all. It never comes up with neighbors. It's just not an issue at all. [/quote


What is sock puppeting a thread?

[Anonymous]

I am not the crazy guy, but I have posted on other threads about this. This is my first post on this thread. It was so bad where we lived when the FAA switched to GPS that we eventually moved. But it did not bother the majority of our neighbors. It just depends how sensitive up noise and disturbance you are, OP.

I understand that DCA has agreed to move some of those paths because the community activism has gained a lot of traction. DCUM loves to say this isn’t an issue. And if it’s not for you, awesome. But it is for a lot of people. OP - check out the Quiet Skies Coalition - it’s a very rational, legally-minded group working with area airports up reduce noise.

[Anonymous]

Noise sensitivity really can vary so much by person. In my old neighborhood, a noise issue arose a few years after I moved in, and a few neighbors were irate with me, but others were surprisingly unbothered. I honestly was really miffed by those claiming to be unbothered and always wondered if they were worried that saying anything would affect property values. It made no sense to me that they really couldn't care about how the noise level had changed almost overnight. But after finding it difficult to muster support to do anything, I moved (and actually disclosed the issue at the time of sale). I was actually pretty upset that the noise issue arose and made me move, but oh well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not the crazy guy, but I have posted on other threads about this. This is my first post on this thread. It was so bad where we lived when the FAA switched to GPS that we eventually moved. But it did not bother the majority of our neighbors. It just depends how sensitive up noise and disturbance you are, OP.

I understand that DCA has agreed to move some of those paths because the community activism has gained a lot of traction. DCUM loves to say this isn’t an issue. And if it’s not for you, awesome. But it is for a lot of people. OP - check out the Quiet Skies Coalition - it’s a very rational, legally-minded group working with area airports up reduce noise.

Ok, I am the poster above who wrote about “airplane noise guy” and this post comes across as much more reasonable and less frustrated than mine I think this post is pretty accurate.
I also want to add that people in the neighborhood genuinely do appreciate the coalition’s work to try to reduce airplane noise etc. We just don’t want to discourage people from moving here by making it seem like it’s a big issue to a large percent of residents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not the crazy guy, but I have posted on other threads about this. This is my first post on this thread. It was so bad where we lived when the FAA switched to GPS that we eventually moved. But it did not bother the majority of our neighbors. It just depends how sensitive up noise and disturbance you are, OP.

I understand that DCA has agreed to move some of those paths because the community activism has gained a lot of traction. DCUM loves to say this isn’t an issue. And if it’s not for you, awesome. But it is for a lot of people. OP - check out the Quiet Skies Coalition - it’s a very rational, legally-minded group working with area airports up reduce noise.

Ok, I am the poster above who wrote about “airplane noise guy” and this post comes across as much more reasonable and less frustrated than mine I think this post is pretty accurate.
I also want to add that people in the neighborhood genuinely do appreciate the coalition’s work to try to reduce airplane noise etc. We just don’t want to discourage people from moving here by making it seem like it’s a big issue to a large percent of residents.

Hah. Thanks. I am not usually feeling reasonable about this issue.

BUT I think there is a huge difference in experiences, both in sensitivity and area. Areas like Palisades and Georgetown have *always* been under the DCA flight path. So maybe there is more noise now, but that area was always known for having air traffic. Where I lived had ZERO air traffic, not even helicopters. And then the FAA changed systems and it was constant, every 3-5 minutes. 13+ hours a day. That’s very very different.

In truth, OP, most areas of the DMV are going to have considerable air traffic, planes and/or helicopters. When we moved we spent so much time in neighborhoods studying air traffic. Where we live now there are seldom planes but the helicopters are near constant. Interestingly, the helicopters don’t bother me. But they make some of my new neighbors absolutely insane.

And thus we have come full circle.

[Anonymous]

The pollution doesn’t discriminate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not the crazy guy, but I have posted on other threads about this. This is my first post on this thread. It was so bad where we lived when the FAA switched to GPS that we eventually moved. But it did not bother the majority of our neighbors. It just depends how sensitive up noise and disturbance you are, OP.

I understand that DCA has agreed to move some of those paths because the community activism has gained a lot of traction. DCUM loves to say this isn’t an issue. And if it’s not for you, awesome. But it is for a lot of people. OP - check out the Quiet Skies Coalition - it’s a very rational, legally-minded group working with area airports up reduce noise.

Ok, I am the poster above who wrote about “airplane noise guy” and this post comes across as much more reasonable and less frustrated than mine I think this post is pretty accurate.
I also want to add that people in the neighborhood genuinely do appreciate the coalition’s work to try to reduce airplane noise etc. We just don’t want to discourage people from moving here by making it seem like it’s a big issue to a large percent of residents.

Hah. Thanks. I am not usually feeling reasonable about this issue.

BUT I think there is a huge difference in experiences, both in sensitivity and area. Areas like Palisades and Georgetown have *always* been under the DCA flight path. So maybe there is more noise now, but that area was always known for having air traffic. Where I lived had ZERO air traffic, not even helicopters. And then the FAA changed systems and it was constant, every 3-5 minutes. 13+ hours a day. That’s very very different.

In truth, OP, most areas of the DMV are going to have considerable air traffic, planes and/or helicopters. When we moved we spent so much time in neighborhoods studying air traffic. Where we live now there are seldom planes but the helicopters are near constant. Interestingly, the helicopters don’t bother me. But they make some of my new neighbors absolutely insane.

And thus we have come full circle.

What neighborhood?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted in another discussion about the Palisades (which eventually turned into an airplane noise discussion) and my response was called “reasonable” by airplane noise guy. I am posting again because I am SO frustrated that airplane noise guy is totally unreasonable!!! OP (and everyone else reading this) PLEASE realize that many of these posts are by the same individual complaining about the noise! It is literally a non issue for most of us! I think this issue is biggest for people who have lived in the area for decades and lament the “old” days when life was very different here. Maybe there were less planes, less traffic etc? (Apologies if I am reaching too much here— I’m just super frustrated at this person/group of people trying to prevent anyone else from moving here). Anyway, if you want to go to bed at 7pm or sleep in until 9am, get a noise machine. The rest of you will literally not think about it. My kids go to bed at 7:30pm and wake up at 8am and do not seem affected at all. Pretending that buyers need to be “warned” because they cannot assess a neighborhood themselves (I understand people may not have a long time to assess a house in a hot market but they have lots of time to assess a neighborhood) is ludicrous. Grown ups are capable of thinking for themselves! Also, people who choose to live ins large city typically expect to live around some noise! The Palisades cannot remain the sleepy place it was decades ago! But please have no doubt that the Palisades remains beautiful, friendly, community-oriented, and peaceful.
I know my post will quickly be overwhelmed by airplane noise guy but I had to put it out there.

I don’t mean to upset you, but how can something be a non-issue when you need a white noise machine to
do something as essential as sleep every night? That sounds like a very big deal!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The pollution doesn’t discriminate.

The car pollution is a lot worse if you make the choice to live close-in or adjacent to 495. It’s everywhere if you live in the city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The pollution doesn’t discriminate.

The car pollution is a lot worse if you make the choice to live close-in or adjacent to 495. It’s everywhere if you live in the city.

Science would disagree. People have shared links to the articles.

[Anonymous]

Interesting point. Houses by the highways are significantly cheaper than the surrounding properties. Draw your own conclusions from your Beltway analogy.

[Anonymous]

We used to live off MacArthur near the reservoir and the plane noise was absolutely terrible. If you were outdoors (or indoors with windows open) you had to pause conversation until the plane passed. We could sometimes see the flashing of the lights move across our floors at night and often could see people in the plane windows. I loved that little house but man did we hate the air traffic.

[Anonymous]

😱

[Anonymous]

How could it possibly be overblown?! DCA alone by their own stats flies several planes per minute low overhead directly over some of these neighborhoods (Palisades, Foxhall and across the river being the most affected). There is no curfew and the demand growth is approaching close to 10% yoy. Everything else is a subjective and personal assessment of the considerable risks and trade offs.

Many thanks to the PP for their honesty.