Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Child introduced me to her music. I barely knew a thing about her as I'm quite able to ignore pop culture and have blessedly missed entire situations happening to and between celebrities.

That said, she's done PR work to get the fact out there that she writes her songs. She has a reputation among industry professionals for coming to work sessions prepared and ready to work.

While child and I roll our eyes a bit at the songs that suggest Taylor was a nerd or poor as suggested in lyrics referring to "kitchen table bills" (she attended fancy private schools and her dad was a stockbroker), I do think her songs are good.

The thing she's better at than music is creating community. She does it better than most other stars, and that is a lot of what's made her successful. These are, after all, the people buying four of her albums because they form a clock...

In some regards, she strikes me as Disney. Disney seeks to extract as much money from every visitor as possible. By creating an album that makes a clock when four of the same album are put together, I see someone who has $$$$$ on the brain.

Most stockbrokers are not rich. Most just get by and change jobs like her dad did. They were not rich by any means. Middle Class. And you could not be more of a nerd than her.

[Anonymous]

I’m still a little salty that she re-released All Too Well and that it’s the 10 minute version. I love the original ATW as an unreleased deep track. And sort of hate the 10 minute version. But damn it’s the gift that keeps on giving for TS. 🧣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean…I’m just a person existing in the world but I know:

She writes her own music.
She was a star at a young age.
She produces an album every couple of years (at least)
Her fan base is growing with her.
She seems to write about the same things over and over again (like many famous artists/novelists/etc—certain subjects are repeatedly revisited).
She is respected by people who collaborate with her.

I don’t think you have to like her but you have to acknowledge that she writes her own stuff and that she does so prolifically. Not many musicians these days write their own stuff. The girl has drive and (seemingly) passion. She could’ve given up and decided to relax long ago if music didn’t matter to her. So, we can assume she’s like the many other artists in the world who process their life experience through art.No need to be mad because she makes money on it. Good for her.

It’s so funny to me when people seem to think more musicians wrote their own music decades ago than they do now. It’s actually the opposite, at least if you compare now to the 60s. Ever heard of the Hit Factory or Tin Pan Alley? Countless artists in the 60s exclusively recorded and performed songs written by professional songwriters who were employed by those places to crank out hits. Duos like Goffin/King are legendary for that.

I’ve never understood this perception.

[Anonymous]

Lol the Swift defenders have spent more time defending her in this thread than anyone attacking her. Who has too much time on their hands again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious that a grown woman hates Taylor Swift. You are not her target audience.

However it is also fun that you are triggered by this. LOL

Exactly! Get a life OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

Ahhh thank you OP. I couldn’t stand her before I knew who she is. I changed the station as soon as a song started. It took a while before I connected the annoying songs with the stories I was seeing online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol the Swift defenders have spent more time defending her in this thread than anyone attacking her. Who has too much time on their hands again?

Ok OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like some of her music. And I think she is very savvy business woman. However, she is very quick to cloak herself in female victim hood. I think she experiences a lot of sexism but she’s a conventionally attractive woman worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Yet every time she gets into a conflict with someone she frames it as if she’s a band geek being bullied by the popular kids.

Two of the most annoying things about her.

[Anonymous]

Setting her music aside (it's not my taste but tastes can differ) I don't like her public persona. Two reasons:

1) I think she uses this idea of female solidarity primarily to advance her own brand. Like she wants to be known as a woman who supports other women primarily because she wants people to support her, if that makes sense. This gives me an "ick" and I will fully admit that it's because it reminds me of some Queen Bees I knew in school who would form cliques of girls with the primary purpose of being their leader. I got recruited by girls like this more than once because I was supposed to fill the role of "brainy, less-pretty sidekick." It was very clear my job was to be a supporting character. Swift very much gives me the same vibe.

2) Along the same lines, I think she amps ups the drama of her love life for the purpose of painting herself as a victim. She has dated some gross guys (I genuinely think John Mayer is trash and all of his exes are too good for him) but in recent years I think she just does it for the press and that's gross to me. I know other celebs do it -- I think that's gross too. It was the Tom Hiddleston pairing that did it for me. No idea if they were genuinely into each other or not, but it was very obvious that she was milking the relationship for press and that makes it hard for me to take her seriously when she claims to be a sensitive person who is just looking to fall in love, as she does in her music. That's cynical. I find cynical people to be quite boring.

Carry on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

nobody cares. You don't have to share everything that pops into your head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

nobody cares. You don't have to share everything that pops into your head.

This thread hit 5 pages in a few hours. Apparently some people, including you, care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

nobody cares. You don't have to share everything that pops into your head.

This thread hit 5 pages in a few hours. Apparently some people, including you, care.

Just because people comment doesn't mean they "care".

[Anonymous]

I’ve liked everything she’s done since 1989.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

nobody cares. You don't have to share everything that pops into your head.

Are you new here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol the Swift defenders have spent more time defending her in this thread than anyone attacking her. Who has too much time on their hands again?

You don’t understand how much fun it is to quote lyrics from her song about anonymous internet trolls to an anonymous internet troll. TS gets a lot of juice and makes a lot of money off people like you and the OP.