How many times do I have to protest against the deficiencies in a system before someone listens?

[Anonymous]

My last child just graduated, I hated MyMCPS and Canvas and all that stuff so much that I didn't use it. Never even learned out to login. If I had a question or a problem I emailed the teacher in question. I let the teachers teach and saw the outcome with the report card. OP you are literally crazy and overbearing and I think the greatest risk to your child is you.

[Anonymous]

Oh my. OP, I've been teaching for forever and a day. I advocate all the damn time for my students. No one listens. Or worse, they listen, but then don't take any action. This is public education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My last child just graduated, I hated MyMCPS and Canvas and all that stuff so much that I didn't use it. Never even learned out to login. If I had a question or a problem I emailed the teacher in question. I let the teachers teach and saw the outcome with the report card. OP you are literally crazy and overbearing and I think the greatest risk to your child is you.

How do you know you hated it if you never logged in?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I also was really turned off by the tone of the initial post but I also HATE parentvue-- I don't think it's a problem with the system but with how teachers post things-- they don't realize the implications of what they are doing.

Here's the dangerous bit:
My ex would get notifications and SCREAM at DS for what he was seeing. Sometimes his interpretation was correct (DS had failed a test or hadn't turned in an assignment). But sometimes his interpretation of what he was seeing was completely wrong. But the screaming was the same, and the kid became fearful that even when things were going well at school, something would cause screaming at home.

For instance,
If a quiz has 5 points of m/c questions and 5 points of essay questions, we would get an automated email message saying DS had scored a 5/10 because the computer would grade the first 5 questions and the teacher hadn't yet graded the other 5 points. Surely, the teacher doesn't have to set it up like this, but I've had teachers do this-- cue yelling and subsequent crying.

Sometimes ds didn't take a makeup test (because he'd done well on the original) but we still get an email message saying 0/10 on that score.

In Canvas, there are regularly assignments listed as 'missing' only because they were turned in through some other system besides Canvas (on paper; using some other webpage). I don't think this happens in Synergy, but definitely in Canvas. Why does the teacher set up a Canvas assignment that automatically turns to 'missing' on the due date? I have no clue, and it is really confusing and disruptive.

One time, I was concerned that so many of ds's Canvas showed 'late.' I reached out to the teacher who said that ds was doing great, was on track, that she didn't perceive any problems. I guess the due dates were listed in Canvas, but in class she was telling the kids 'no big deal' if they come in late. That's just confusing. (Personally, I'd prefer real, enforced due dates. But if you aren't going to impose them, why indicate to parents that things are late if you are indicating to kids that it's not a problem to submit it next week?)

So it's not a technology problem. It's a problem that teachers aren't setting up the assignments well. And that's because the teachers don't really understand what we are seeing on the other side-- they probably don't know that we're getting emails with 5/10 or 0/10 so they don't know to correct it. They don't know parents are looking in Canvas, or aren't thinking much about what they may be seeing there.

Sounds like a bigger parenting problem than tech problem.

Perhaps a parent over-reaction. But there are plenty of parents who will yell at kids when they perceive the kid earned 50% on a test or 0% on an assignment (particularly if the kid has a pattern of this. And how is a parent to know that the 50% or 0% grade coming through should be ignored? Parents want to hold their kids accountable, and if they get inaccurate information from the school, they either a) punish the kid when the kid did nothing wrong, or b) give up on even trying to track submissions and grades under the theory that it is quite possibly wrong. Right now, I'm in the latter category.

I start by asking my kid, whose job it is to keep track of their assignments. If they’re not sure, I tell them to check with their teacher.

Seriously. I learned pretty quickly not to jump right on my kids for a missing or 50% assignment. It's often because something didn't get pushed over from Canvas yet, or because it was an online assignment in Canvas that was turned in physically, so there's a lag. The kids usually know what's up with it, unless there are an excessive number of small assignments in the class. I just remind them to follow up and make sure it gets updated correctly.

If they were younger, I'd wait a bit for Synergy to catch up with Canvas, then follow up the week before interims/end of the quarter to be sure it's a teacher issue, not a kid issue.

Sure, it's less than ideal, but even with a high school student worried about grades for college, I still wouldn't call it "dangerous" by any stretch of the imagination. There's nothing happening that can't be compensated for with some attention to detail and communication with teachers. Even my kid with inattentive ADHD and executive functioning issues is managing, with some strategic parental reminders. I monitor, I point out, I let them follow up. And it does seem to be improving a bit lately, whether that's because teachers are getting the hang of the system, or maybe my kids are.

But neither I nor my spouse have anger issues, so I guess that helps?

We never have any of these issues. Our kids teachers so far have been really great about entering their grades in timely manner.

[Anonymous]

Whenever I see this title, it sounds like Bob Dylan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh my. OP, I've been teaching for forever and a day. I advocate all the damn time for my students. No one listens. Or worse, they listen, but then don't take any action. This is public education.

Public education in Montgomery County is world class. That's why today the Board of Education declared October 5th as Walk to School Day. The Board of Education is smart enough to know that's a stupid event so they put it on a day when school is closed. World Class! #1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my. OP, I've been teaching for forever and a day. I advocate all the damn time for my students. No one listens. Or worse, they listen, but then don't take any action. This is public education.

Public education in Montgomery County is world class. That's why today the Board of Education declared October 5th as Walk to School Day. The Board of Education is smart enough to know that's a stupid event so they put it on a day when school is closed. World Class! #1

Brilliant!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My last child just graduated, I hated MyMCPS and Canvas and all that stuff so much that I didn't use it. Never even learned out to login. If I had a question or a problem I emailed the teacher in question. I let the teachers teach and saw the outcome with the report card. OP you are literally crazy and overbearing and I think the greatest risk to your child is you.

How do you know you hated it if you never logged in?

I did at the beginning. Sorry didn't think my never would be taken literally. It was clunky and really was just an additional time suck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I also was really turned off by the tone of the initial post but I also HATE parentvue-- I don't think it's a problem with the system but with how teachers post things-- they don't realize the implications of what they are doing.

Here's the dangerous bit:
My ex would get notifications and SCREAM at DS for what he was seeing. Sometimes his interpretation was correct (DS had failed a test or hadn't turned in an assignment). But sometimes his interpretation of what he was seeing was completely wrong. But the screaming was the same, and the kid became fearful that even when things were going well at school, something would cause screaming at home.

For instance,
If a quiz has 5 points of m/c questions and 5 points of essay questions, we would get an automated email message saying DS had scored a 5/10 because the computer would grade the first 5 questions and the teacher hadn't yet graded the other 5 points. Surely, the teacher doesn't have to set it up like this, but I've had teachers do this-- cue yelling and subsequent crying.

Sometimes ds didn't take a makeup test (because he'd done well on the original) but we still get an email message saying 0/10 on that score.

In Canvas, there are regularly assignments listed as 'missing' only because they were turned in through some other system besides Canvas (on paper; using some other webpage). I don't think this happens in Synergy, but definitely in Canvas. Why does the teacher set up a Canvas assignment that automatically turns to 'missing' on the due date? I have no clue, and it is really confusing and disruptive.

One time, I was concerned that so many of ds's Canvas showed 'late.' I reached out to the teacher who said that ds was doing great, was on track, that she didn't perceive any problems. I guess the due dates were listed in Canvas, but in class she was telling the kids 'no big deal' if they come in late. That's just confusing. (Personally, I'd prefer real, enforced due dates. But if you aren't going to impose them, why indicate to parents that things are late if you are indicating to kids that it's not a problem to submit it next week?)

So it's not a technology problem. It's a problem that teachers aren't setting up the assignments well. And that's because the teachers don't really understand what we are seeing on the other side-- they probably don't know that we're getting emails with 5/10 or 0/10 so they don't know to correct it. They don't know parents are looking in Canvas, or aren't thinking much about what they may be seeing there.

Sounds like a bigger parenting problem than tech problem.

Perhaps a parent over-reaction. But there are plenty of parents who will yell at kids when they perceive the kid earned 50% on a test or 0% on an assignment (particularly if the kid has a pattern of this. And how is a parent to know that the 50% or 0% grade coming through should be ignored? Parents want to hold their kids accountable, and if they get inaccurate information from the school, they either a) punish the kid when the kid did nothing wrong, or b) give up on even trying to track submissions and grades under the theory that it is quite possibly wrong. Right now, I'm in the latter category.

I start by asking my kid, whose job it is to keep track of their assignments. If they’re not sure, I tell them to check with their teacher.

Seriously. I learned pretty quickly not to jump right on my kids for a missing or 50% assignment. It's often because something didn't get pushed over from Canvas yet, or because it was an online assignment in Canvas that was turned in physically, so there's a lag. The kids usually know what's up with it, unless there are an excessive number of small assignments in the class. I just remind them to follow up and make sure it gets updated correctly.

If they were younger, I'd wait a bit for Synergy to catch up with Canvas, then follow up the week before interims/end of the quarter to be sure it's a teacher issue, not a kid issue.

Sure, it's less than ideal, but even with a high school student worried about grades for college, I still wouldn't call it "dangerous" by any stretch of the imagination. There's nothing happening that can't be compensated for with some attention to detail and communication with teachers. Even my kid with inattentive ADHD and executive functioning issues is managing, with some strategic parental reminders. I monitor, I point out, I let them follow up. And it does seem to be improving a bit lately, whether that's because teachers are getting the hang of the system, or maybe my kids are.

But neither I nor my spouse have anger issues, so I guess that helps?

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my. OP, I've been teaching for forever and a day. I advocate all the damn time for my students. No one listens. Or worse, they listen, but then don't take any action. This is public education.

Public education in Montgomery County is world class. That's why today the Board of Education declared October 5th as Walk to School Day. The Board of Education is smart enough to know that's a stupid event so they put it on a day when school is closed. World Class! #1

At the end of the meeting, they changed it to October 12th.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CJJHD847F29D/$file/Recognition%20Walk%20to%20School%20Day%20220922%20AMENDED.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My last child just graduated, I hated MyMCPS and Canvas and all that stuff so much that I didn't use it. Never even learned out to login. If I had a question or a problem I emailed the teacher in question. I let the teachers teach and saw the outcome with the report card. OP you are literally crazy and overbearing and I think the greatest risk to your child is you.

How do you know you hated it if you never logged in?

I did at the beginning. Sorry didn't think my never would be taken literally. It was clunky and really was just an additional time suck.

DP, you logged in at the beginning and then forgot how? That’s user error.

[Anonymous]

I hate Synergy too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My last child just graduated, I hated MyMCPS and Canvas and all that stuff so much that I didn't use it. Never even learned out to login. If I had a question or a problem I emailed the teacher in question. I let the teachers teach and saw the outcome with the report card. OP you are literally crazy and overbearing and I think the greatest risk to your child is you.

"I hated it so I didn't even try!" Great example for your child. No wonder we have so many kids with absolute apathy towards learning. "It's too hard so I quit".

[Anonymous]

Please don't put this on teachers. Teachers are TOLD how they are required to have their settings put in Canvas (micro-managed to death in points, lateness, 50% rules, and even transparency to students).
Then Canvas is supposed to sync to a totally different platform called Synergy and there are errors and issues. Teachers are not trying to be shifty and often work double the time needed checking two gradebooks to try to ensure this data swap reflects an authentic "Vue" for parents and students.

Please blame the real culprits. Both Canvas AND Synergy offer full and all-encompassing features (curriculum&instruction application, reporting grades/data, & swift communication, etc).

However, MCPS decision-makers took an a la carte approach, contracting pieces of a platform from different sources that don't want to sync with each other. Other school districts that have purchased the FULL package that Synergy offers have had rave reviews from all stakeholders. Imagine that!

Teachers did not do this to y'all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to gain more momentum on this, learn to write clearly and more concise. There was a lot of fluff in there and it was hard to follow. Your issue is that parentvue will show a 0 when it's not true?

Oh boy. "Learn to write clearly and more concisely" OR "learn to write more clearly and concisely" OR "learn to write clearly and in a more concise manner"

Your grammar sucks PP. And you were correcting OP.

BUSTED

“BUSTED?” Are you 12? I’m so embarrassed for you.

OP is trying to write what is essentially a persuasive essay. It is padded, overly emotional and poorly written. It does not correlate to a quick message board reply someone likely made on their phone. Get over yourself. NP.