DC White flight - what will it mean for education?

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Anonymous wrote:WaPo article cites family-age covid white flight as higher than elsewhere.

Will the scenario of overcrowded WoTP schools pushing out "middle class" families come sooner than threatened by JR feeder parents?

Anyone have anecdotal feedback on white flight in areas EoTP or anywhere in DC?

D.C.'s White population has declined for the first time in two decades

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/01/census-dc-white-population-pandemic/

Are you only concerned about white flight?

I realize you asked this flippantly, but, YES!

Gross, please move.

[Anonymous]

White peoples leaving is fine, not sure why this is a concern. Goodbye, you’ll just be replaced.

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DCPS is a district focused primarily on the growth and success of low-income children of color. From leadership down that is the priority, and it should be.

Explain to me why a school system should focus primarily upon on one socio-economic and ethnic group. Other jurisdictions like Arlington, Alexandria, MCPS, and Fairfax somehow seem to manage to care about ALL learners.

Because inequality is horrible for society overall, yes even for you.

I'm a European immigrant (but not Anglo) who is disgusted with continuing segregation and imprisonment of a significant portion of the US population. I want my kids to benefit from fair competition where the brightest minds can apply their talents and efforts to better society, not a system that suppresses such talent based on random and inconsequential (to quality) attribute, such as skin color, gender, accent, religion, sexual orientation, to name a few.


Do people really not get it or just pretend not to get it? SMH

You are arguing that DCPS should prioritize a single demographic out of equality?! Huh.

You know as well as I do that when DCUM parents say they want “equal treatment” of their demographic, what they really mean is that they demand the right to utterly reshape educational policy and implement pro-white affirmative action in a doomed attempt to attract high SES white families to schools. When they say they want equality, they DON’T mean - as other groups who have made that demand have meant — that they want an end to discriminatory or abusive policies. What they want is that the schools be reshaped in a way that pleases them (tracking, gifted programs, suspensions and expulsions). And they want all that as a gesture to high SES whites who currently don’t use the schools —- a gesture that history shows will certainly fail as those high SES whites continue to move to be burbs or go private, despite their protestations to the contrary.

I'm sorry, did you just equate racially biased suspensions and disproportionate discipline of children of color with providing honors classes in MS and HS? This type of BS is how people like you lose people like me who otherwise support equity goals. I is possible to achieve multiple goals and outcomes at the same time. And it is patently offensive to suggest that honors classes and provision of advanced materials is somehow biased against children of color.

Nice try, but you know — or you ought to know — that’s not what I said. What I said is that DCUM parents demand tracking and gifted programs (programs where kids are segregated —- supposedly by ability —- into G&T classes and « regular «  classes.

No one has any issue with high schools offering honors and AP classes. However, if you look at the extremely problematic and explicitly racist history of tracking and G&T programs in many jurisdictions, including DC, you will understand why demands from UMC white parents —- made on this board every single day —- that schools be made over so that students be tracked early and rigorously cut no ice with most DCPS parents.

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See, for example, Hobson v Hansen, where the court held that tracking was one of several tools used to enforce de facto segregation of DCPS schools.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson_v._Hansen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White peoples leaving is fine, not sure why this is a concern. Goodbye, you’ll just be replaced.

Yeah, it’s great that DCPS high schools are almost entirely little schools with only a few hundred kids each that are almost all one ethnicity with maybe two that have some Hispanic kids and two that between them attract a few hundred White kids (Wilson and SWW). That just screams quality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:White peoples leaving is fine, not sure why this is a concern. Goodbye, you’ll just be replaced.

Yeah, it’s great that DCPS high schools are almost entirely little schools with only a few hundred kids each that are almost all one ethnicity with maybe two that have some Hispanic kids and two that between them attract a few hundred White kids (Wilson and SWW). That just screams quality.

I guess white kids “scream quality”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know how many former DCPS students left to go to private in the last couple of years. I think that number would be striking.

Are there lots of new private schools being built and opened? I see this narrative a lot on DCUM and I always wonder, where did these private schools find all of these new seats?

St Johns alone has gone from 240 per grade to 300 per grade. Probably half of that growth are kids that come from Deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White peoples leaving is fine, not sure why this is a concern. Goodbye, you’ll just be replaced.

It’s not about white people leaving, it’s about a population with the most financial and political capital leaving. That is what hurts schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DCPS is a district focused primarily on the growth and success of low-income children of color. From leadership down that is the priority, and it should be.

Explain to me why a school system should focus primarily upon on one socio-economic and ethnic group. Other jurisdictions like Arlington, Alexandria, MCPS, and Fairfax somehow seem to manage to care about ALL learners.

Because inequality is horrible for society overall, yes even for you.

I'm a European immigrant (but not Anglo) who is disgusted with continuing segregation and imprisonment of a significant portion of the US population. I want my kids to benefit from fair competition where the brightest minds can apply their talents and efforts to better society, not a system that suppresses such talent based on random and inconsequential (to quality) attribute, such as skin color, gender, accent, religion, sexual orientation, to name a few.


Do people really not get it or just pretend not to get it? SMH

You are arguing that DCPS should prioritize a single demographic out of equality?! Huh.

You know as well as I do that when DCUM parents say they want “equal treatment” of their demographic, what they really mean is that they demand the right to utterly reshape educational policy and implement pro-white affirmative action in a doomed attempt to attract high SES white families to schools. When they say they want equality, they DON’T mean - as other groups who have made that demand have meant — that they want an end to discriminatory or abusive policies. What they want is that the schools be reshaped in a way that pleases them (tracking, gifted programs, suspensions and expulsions). And they want all that as a gesture to high SES whites who currently don’t use the schools —- a gesture that history shows will certainly fail as those high SES whites continue to move to be burbs or go private, despite their protestations to the contrary.

I'm sorry, did you just equate racially biased suspensions and disproportionate discipline of children of color with providing honors classes in MS and HS? This type of BS is how people like you lose people like me who otherwise support equity goals. I is possible to achieve multiple goals and outcomes at the same time. And it is patently offensive to suggest that honors classes and provision of advanced materials is somehow biased against children of color.

Nice try, but you know — or you ought to know — that’s not what I said. What I said is that DCUM parents demand tracking and gifted programs (programs where kids are segregated —- supposedly by ability —- into G&T classes and « regular «  classes.

No one has any issue with high schools offering honors and AP classes. However, if you look at the extremely problematic and explicitly racist history of tracking and G&T programs in many jurisdictions, including DC, you will understand why demands from UMC white parents —- made on this board every single day —- that schools be made over so that students be tracked early and rigorously cut no ice with most DCPS parents.

Are you asserting that most DCPS parents don’t care about a school offering rigorous classes? Because that seems classist/racist.

You can offer rigorous classes at, for example, the middle school level without re-creating the BS gifted programs that mostly arbitrarily decide at age 8 who is “gifted” and who is not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:White peoples leaving is fine, not sure why this is a concern. Goodbye, you’ll just be replaced.

It’s not about white people leaving, it’s about a population with the most financial and political capital leaving. That is what hurts schools

This. We should care if white/Black/asian/hispanic middle class and UMC folks are leaving. That’s a bad sign for the city.

[Anonymous]

Schools are not the only factor of course after Covid people start to reevaluate their lifestyles. I am a native Washingtonian been in nyc for 25 years and after COVID it’s time to go back home to DC. When you get older you go back to what you know especially if you have kids. I have spoken to many white nyc gentrifiers from the mid west who come to nyc and they say they would never go back not enough diversity. I am just so grateful to be from a place like DC. Can’t wait to raise my kids in not the dc I left in the 90’s but a whole different place. They will be attending dc public schools which have drastically improved since my time in school.

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PP and this was the school kids attend in nyc https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2021/10/11/this-brooklyn-school-is-already-phasing-out--gifted-and-talented--classes?cid=share_clip
They got rid of their Gifted program. Can you imagine white families in nyc supported this because of the segregation it creates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

DCPS is a district focused primarily on the growth and success of low-income children of color. From leadership down that is the priority, and it should be.

Explain to me why a school system should focus primarily upon on one socio-economic and ethnic group. Other jurisdictions like Arlington, Alexandria, MCPS, and Fairfax somehow seem to manage to care about ALL learners.

MCPS doesn’t care about all learners. The district is a shitshow. Don’t move from DC to MoCo expecting a great public school situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:White peoples leaving is fine, not sure why this is a concern. Goodbye, you’ll just be replaced.

Yeah, it’s great that DCPS high schools are almost entirely little schools with only a few hundred kids each that are almost all one ethnicity with maybe two that have some Hispanic kids and two that between them attract a few hundred White kids (Wilson and SWW). That just screams quality.

I guess white kids “scream quality”.

It’s more the low enrollments and pitiful achievement levels, but go ahead and pretend it’s not lamentable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools are not the only factor of course after Covid people start to reevaluate their lifestyles. I am a native Washingtonian been in nyc for 25 years and after COVID it’s time to go back home to DC. When you get older you go back to what you know especially if you have kids. I have spoken to many white nyc gentrifiers from the mid west who come to nyc and they say they would never go back not enough diversity. I am just so grateful to be from a place like DC. Can’t wait to raise my kids in not the dc I left in the 90’s but a whole different place. They will be attending dc public schools which have drastically improved since my time in school.

Have you watched the news lately? The 90’s are on their way back.