DC White flight - what will it mean for education?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS is a district focused primarily on the growth and success of low-income children of color. From leadership down that is the priority, and it should be.

Fellow teacher here- although I don’t completely disagree with your sentiment, I want to add my two cents. One I don’t think you should prioritize one demographic over the other. If I am a school district, I focus on supporting the growth and success of all students. Secondly, I don’t believe the district prioritizes caring about anyone else his well-being other than their cushy administrative jobs and the teachers union.

This is equity and it’s here to stay. Of course it doesn’t mean we should not move students on or above grade level. The focus and most resources should go to at risk students, meaning low ses, sped, homeless,etc. This mindset is also school to school. I am at a title 1 school and my principal has taken major points off IMPACT and has had difficult discussions with the staff members who think if you have a student above grade level they don’t have to grow. No they absolutely do.

And LMAO ah yes, so much focus on the teacher’s union. The district has really made an effort to make this an equitable, growth oriented, and resource rich environment.

It’s like parents and teachers don’t even look at school budgets. Tell me what extras elementary schools especially get? High school I see the most is an extra social worker, wooow so unfair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To add: I used to think that whole focus on individualism and only taking care of yourself, blaming others for their own problems, was a more conservative stance. But this whole "you should learn better coping mechanisms to parenting in a global pandemic that has vast material repercussions, particularly for children" is a line I see largely from progressives.

I don't get why we are constantly shamed to think about others (regarding covid spread) but told we have to deal with the ramifications school closures on our own.

But people buy into capitalism. So it’s not ok when it’s inconvenient for you? Universal healthcare is often shutdown for the same reason, the right to own a gun, etc. People’s individual rights are more important than a community.

Covid showed parents that they are no different, you decided to have this child and you now have to figure out a way to take care of them for this period of time with little community assistance.

As a teacher, I don’t think it’s right but I also think that it’s not surprising given our society’s beliefs and priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about start aggressively tracking at the high farms schools. Motivated talented kids deserve a chance to learn

No thanks. If we are going to start anywhere it will be for low ses and sped kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To add: I used to think that whole focus on individualism and only taking care of yourself, blaming others for their own problems, was a more conservative stance. But this whole "you should learn better coping mechanisms to parenting in a global pandemic that has vast material repercussions, particularly for children" is a line I see largely from progressives.

I don't get why we are constantly shamed to think about others (regarding covid spread) but told we have to deal with the ramifications school closures on our own.

But people buy into capitalism. So it’s not ok when it’s inconvenient for you? Universal healthcare is often shutdown for the same reason, the right to own a gun, etc. People’s individual rights are more important than a community.

Covid showed parents that they are no different, you decided to have this child and you now have to figure out a way to take care of them for this period of time with little community assistance.

As a teacher, I don’t think it’s right but I also think that it’s not surprising given our society’s beliefs and priorities.

Right, no one should care about others because "we buy into capitalism". Ergo, no one should care about each other getting covid.

Neato how you've proved the issue, just from a cynic perspective versus a bootstrap perspective.

[Anonymous]

I'm going to use that phrase the next time a teacher would like to argue for higher pay: "well you bought into capitalism."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To add: I used to think that whole focus on individualism and only taking care of yourself, blaming others for their own problems, was a more conservative stance. But this whole "you should learn better coping mechanisms to parenting in a global pandemic that has vast material repercussions, particularly for children" is a line I see largely from progressives.

I don't get why we are constantly shamed to think about others (regarding covid spread) but told we have to deal with the ramifications school closures on our own.

But people buy into capitalism. So it’s not ok when it’s inconvenient for you? Universal healthcare is often shutdown for the same reason, the right to own a gun, etc. People’s individual rights are more important than a community.

Covid showed parents that they are no different, you decided to have this child and you now have to figure out a way to take care of them for this period of time with little community assistance.

As a teacher, I don’t think it’s right but I also think that it’s not surprising given our society’s beliefs and priorities.

Right, no one should care about others because "we buy into capitalism". Ergo, no one should care about each other getting covid.

Neato how you've proved the issue, just from a cynic perspective versus a bootstrap perspective.

Wow, even my elementary students are able to comprehend better than this. Yes, that was the point. I was not saying it wasn’t an issue, I was simply giving any other perspective on why many people did not care about parents and the issues faced during that time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To add: I used to think that whole focus on individualism and only taking care of yourself, blaming others for their own problems, was a more conservative stance. But this whole "you should learn better coping mechanisms to parenting in a global pandemic that has vast material repercussions, particularly for children" is a line I see largely from progressives.

I don't get why we are constantly shamed to think about others (regarding covid spread) but told we have to deal with the ramifications school closures on our own.

But people buy into capitalism. So it’s not ok when it’s inconvenient for you? Universal healthcare is often shutdown for the same reason, the right to own a gun, etc. People’s individual rights are more important than a community.

Covid showed parents that they are no different, you decided to have this child and you now have to figure out a way to take care of them for this period of time with little community assistance.

As a teacher, I don’t think it’s right but I also think that it’s not surprising given our society’s beliefs and priorities.

Right, no one should care about others because "we buy into capitalism". Ergo, no one should care about each other getting covid.

Neato how you've proved the issue, just from a cynic perspective versus a bootstrap perspective.

Wow, even my elementary students are able to comprehend better than this. Yes, that was the point. I was not saying it wasn’t an issue, I was simply giving any other perspective on why many people did not care about parents and the issues faced during that time.

Idk, you might want to re-read your statements. They aren't clear as to whether you are supporting the "you chose to have a child so deal with it" or whether you are just saying "this is what some other people say."

At any rate, my point was that leftists/progressives/Democrats are generally the ones going on about community, safety nets, collective good, etc. It has historically been that party that tries to get people to care about policies to help others. And they are the ones that are simultaneously STILL saying the following:
1) wear a mask otherwise you are a selfish jerk who doesn't care about other people!
2) figure out your own childcare / fix your own child's pandemic learning loss! No one else should have to care about you!

I'm impressed with the disconnect in people's (not just politicians') minds. I wonder how people can hold these two views simultaneously, and I think it is about just kind of a societal hatred of children/child-rearing/parents (which mostly means women).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about start aggressively tracking at the high farms schools. Motivated talented kids deserve a chance to learn

No thanks. If we are going to start anywhere it will be for low ses and sped kids.

Doesn’t high FARMS usually = low SES?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To add: I used to think that whole focus on individualism and only taking care of yourself, blaming others for their own problems, was a more conservative stance. But this whole "you should learn better coping mechanisms to parenting in a global pandemic that has vast material repercussions, particularly for children" is a line I see largely from progressives.

I don't get why we are constantly shamed to think about others (regarding covid spread) but told we have to deal with the ramifications school closures on our own.

But people buy into capitalism. So it’s not ok when it’s inconvenient for you? Universal healthcare is often shutdown for the same reason, the right to own a gun, etc. People’s individual rights are more important than a community.

Covid showed parents that they are no different, you decided to have this child and you now have to figure out a way to take care of them for this period of time with little community assistance.

As a teacher, I don’t think it’s right but I also think that it’s not surprising given our society’s beliefs and priorities.

Right, no one should care about others because "we buy into capitalism". Ergo, no one should care about each other getting covid.

Neato how you've proved the issue, just from a cynic perspective versus a bootstrap perspective.

Wow, even my elementary students are able to comprehend better than this. Yes, that was the point. I was not saying it wasn’t an issue, I was simply giving any other perspective on why many people did not care about parents and the issues faced during that time.

Idk, you might want to re-read your statements. They aren't clear as to whether you are supporting the "you chose to have a child so deal with it" or whether you are just saying "this is what some other people say."

At any rate, my point was that leftists/progressives/Democrats are generally the ones going on about community, safety nets, collective good, etc. It has historically been that party that tries to get people to care about policies to help others. And they are the ones that are simultaneously STILL saying the following:
1) wear a mask otherwise you are a selfish jerk who doesn't care about other people!
2) figure out your own childcare / fix your own child's pandemic learning loss! No one else should have to care about you!

I'm impressed with the disconnect in people's (not just politicians') minds. I wonder how people can hold these two views simultaneously, and I think it is about just kind of a societal hatred of children/child-rearing/parents (which mostly means women).

PP, no Democrat or progressive has ever agreed with #2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To add: I used to think that whole focus on individualism and only taking care of yourself, blaming others for their own problems, was a more conservative stance. But this whole "you should learn better coping mechanisms to parenting in a global pandemic that has vast material repercussions, particularly for children" is a line I see largely from progressives.

I don't get why we are constantly shamed to think about others (regarding covid spread) but told we have to deal with the ramifications school closures on our own.

But people buy into capitalism. So it’s not ok when it’s inconvenient for you? Universal healthcare is often shutdown for the same reason, the right to own a gun, etc. People’s individual rights are more important than a community.

Covid showed parents that they are no different, you decided to have this child and you now have to figure out a way to take care of them for this period of time with little community assistance.

As a teacher, I don’t think it’s right but I also think that it’s not surprising given our society’s beliefs and priorities.

Right, no one should care about others because "we buy into capitalism". Ergo, no one should care about each other getting covid.

Neato how you've proved the issue, just from a cynic perspective versus a bootstrap perspective.

Wow, even my elementary students are able to comprehend better than this. Yes, that was the point. I was not saying it wasn’t an issue, I was simply giving any other perspective on why many people did not care about parents and the issues faced during that time.

Idk, you might want to re-read your statements. They aren't clear as to whether you are supporting the "you chose to have a child so deal with it" or whether you are just saying "this is what some other people say."

At any rate, my point was that leftists/progressives/Democrats are generally the ones going on about community, safety nets, collective good, etc. It has historically been that party that tries to get people to care about policies to help others. And they are the ones that are simultaneously STILL saying the following:
1) wear a mask otherwise you are a selfish jerk who doesn't care about other people!
2) figure out your own childcare / fix your own child's pandemic learning loss! No one else should have to care about you!

I'm impressed with the disconnect in people's (not just politicians') minds. I wonder how people can hold these two views simultaneously, and I think it is about just kind of a societal hatred of children/child-rearing/parents (which mostly means women).

I said as a teacher I don’t think it’s right.

And I think for the pandemic most have acknowledged the issue. What we (teachers) don’t really care for is the blaming us for not going into a murky situation. We are not nurses and in most states they are paid much better and already have risks without a pandemic. Red states went back earlier yes, that was a government decision on their part. I do not see any data that proves their at risk students are doing better than ours (who were at a comparable starting point) but we shall see.

I acknowledge their has been a learning loss, personally I asked for things for my students last year to help me make up that loss and volunteered to tutor after school. Many teachers did this, some didn’t receive anything except being told, oh just do more testing and no we won’t pay you to tutor. (Though I was unpaid most days and continued)

We can only move forward but some parents on this board need there to be some kind of apology and ass kissing of parents from the WTU, I don’t really understand. It would only be performative and I am not for performative action. We need resources for all our students, ALL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To add: I used to think that whole focus on individualism and only taking care of yourself, blaming others for their own problems, was a more conservative stance. But this whole "you should learn better coping mechanisms to parenting in a global pandemic that has vast material repercussions, particularly for children" is a line I see largely from progressives.

I don't get why we are constantly shamed to think about others (regarding covid spread) but told we have to deal with the ramifications school closures on our own.

But people buy into capitalism. So it’s not ok when it’s inconvenient for you? Universal healthcare is often shutdown for the same reason, the right to own a gun, etc. People’s individual rights are more important than a community.

Covid showed parents that they are no different, you decided to have this child and you now have to figure out a way to take care of them for this period of time with little community assistance.

As a teacher, I don’t think it’s right but I also think that it’s not surprising given our society’s beliefs and priorities.

Right, no one should care about others because "we buy into capitalism". Ergo, no one should care about each other getting covid.

Neato how you've proved the issue, just from a cynic perspective versus a bootstrap perspective.

Wow, even my elementary students are able to comprehend better than this. Yes, that was the point. I was not saying it wasn’t an issue, I was simply giving any other perspective on why many people did not care about parents and the issues faced during that time.

Idk, you might want to re-read your statements. They aren't clear as to whether you are supporting the "you chose to have a child so deal with it" or whether you are just saying "this is what some other people say."

At any rate, my point was that leftists/progressives/Democrats are generally the ones going on about community, safety nets, collective good, etc. It has historically been that party that tries to get people to care about policies to help others. And they are the ones that are simultaneously STILL saying the following:
1) wear a mask otherwise you are a selfish jerk who doesn't care about other people!
2) figure out your own childcare / fix your own child's pandemic learning loss! No one else should have to care about you!

I'm impressed with the disconnect in people's (not just politicians') minds. I wonder how people can hold these two views simultaneously, and I think it is about just kind of a societal hatred of children/child-rearing/parents (which mostly means women).

I said as a teacher I don’t think it’s right.

And I think for the pandemic most have acknowledged the issue. What we (teachers) don’t really care for is the blaming us for not going into a murky situation. We are not nurses and in most states they are paid much better and already have risks without a pandemic. Red states went back earlier yes, that was a government decision on their part. I do not see any data that proves their at risk students are doing better than ours (who were at a comparable starting point) but we shall see.

I acknowledge their has been a learning loss, personally I asked for things for my students last year to help me make up that loss and volunteered to tutor after school. Many teachers did this, some didn’t receive anything except being told, oh just do more testing and no we won’t pay you to tutor. (Though I was unpaid most days and continued)

We can only move forward but some parents on this board need there to be some kind of apology and ass kissing of parents from the WTU, I don’t really understand. It would only be performative and I am not for performative action. We need resources for all our students, ALL.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To add: I used to think that whole focus on individualism and only taking care of yourself, blaming others for their own problems, was a more conservative stance. But this whole "you should learn better coping mechanisms to parenting in a global pandemic that has vast material repercussions, particularly for children" is a line I see largely from progressives.

I don't get why we are constantly shamed to think about others (regarding covid spread) but told we have to deal with the ramifications school closures on our own.

But people buy into capitalism. So it’s not ok when it’s inconvenient for you? Universal healthcare is often shutdown for the same reason, the right to own a gun, etc. People’s individual rights are more important than a community.

Covid showed parents that they are no different, you decided to have this child and you now have to figure out a way to take care of them for this period of time with little community assistance.

As a teacher, I don’t think it’s right but I also think that it’s not surprising given our society’s beliefs and priorities.

Right, no one should care about others because "we buy into capitalism". Ergo, no one should care about each other getting covid.

Neato how you've proved the issue, just from a cynic perspective versus a bootstrap perspective.

Wow, even my elementary students are able to comprehend better than this. Yes, that was the point. I was not saying it wasn’t an issue, I was simply giving any other perspective on why many people did not care about parents and the issues faced during that time.

Idk, you might want to re-read your statements. They aren't clear as to whether you are supporting the "you chose to have a child so deal with it" or whether you are just saying "this is what some other people say."

At any rate, my point was that leftists/progressives/Democrats are generally the ones going on about community, safety nets, collective good, etc. It has historically been that party that tries to get people to care about policies to help others. And they are the ones that are simultaneously STILL saying the following:
1) wear a mask otherwise you are a selfish jerk who doesn't care about other people!
2) figure out your own childcare / fix your own child's pandemic learning loss! No one else should have to care about you!

I'm impressed with the disconnect in people's (not just politicians') minds. I wonder how people can hold these two views simultaneously, and I think it is about just kind of a societal hatred of children/child-rearing/parents (which mostly means women).

NP. Yeah, #2 is not a progressive position. The problem is you're lumping all Democrats together and not realizing how centrist the average DCUM Democrat is. See the politics threads on who people want for president next - it's all Buttigieg and Hogan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To add: I used to think that whole focus on individualism and only taking care of yourself, blaming others for their own problems, was a more conservative stance. But this whole "you should learn better coping mechanisms to parenting in a global pandemic that has vast material repercussions, particularly for children" is a line I see largely from progressives.

I don't get why we are constantly shamed to think about others (regarding covid spread) but told we have to deal with the ramifications school closures on our own.

But people buy into capitalism. So it’s not ok when it’s inconvenient for you? Universal healthcare is often shutdown for the same reason, the right to own a gun, etc. People’s individual rights are more important than a community.

Covid showed parents that they are no different, you decided to have this child and you now have to figure out a way to take care of them for this period of time with little community assistance.

As a teacher, I don’t think it’s right but I also think that it’s not surprising given our society’s beliefs and priorities.

Right, no one should care about others because "we buy into capitalism". Ergo, no one should care about each other getting covid.

Neato how you've proved the issue, just from a cynic perspective versus a bootstrap perspective.

Wow, even my elementary students are able to comprehend better than this. Yes, that was the point. I was not saying it wasn’t an issue, I was simply giving any other perspective on why many people did not care about parents and the issues faced during that time.

Idk, you might want to re-read your statements. They aren't clear as to whether you are supporting the "you chose to have a child so deal with it" or whether you are just saying "this is what some other people say."

At any rate, my point was that leftists/progressives/Democrats are generally the ones going on about community, safety nets, collective good, etc. It has historically been that party that tries to get people to care about policies to help others. And they are the ones that are simultaneously STILL saying the following:
1) wear a mask otherwise you are a selfish jerk who doesn't care about other people!
2) figure out your own childcare / fix your own child's pandemic learning loss! No one else should have to care about you!

I'm impressed with the disconnect in people's (not just politicians') minds. I wonder how people can hold these two views simultaneously, and I think it is about just kind of a societal hatred of children/child-rearing/parents (which mostly means women).

NP. Yeah, #2 is not a progressive position. The problem is you're lumping all Democrats together and not realizing how centrist the average DCUM Democrat is. See the politics threads on who people want for president next - it's all Buttigieg and Hogan.

Yeah it isn’t a progressive position, but it is one that you hear constantly here on the DCPS forum. In other areas of social media, it was also a common line. I heard it in particular from lefty academics with social media presence.

Like, do you think the person on this thread sneeringly telling parents to “learn to cope” with the repercussions of school closures considers themselves politically left. I’ll hazard a guess that they do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a Black middle class parent, I cringe when I read DCUM posts about race and schools. I have never had any conversations with my white friends about these matters but I imagine they happen, just not when I’m around. It then makes it awkward when I’m in a group and wonder what they are really thinking. Can anyone else relate?

Yes! I USUALLY resist engaging. I am hyperaware that many of these posters are fellow parents who smile in our faces and talk trash about Black people on anonymous forums.

And vice versa, of course. It’s called the civilized veneer vs. the anonymous forum. I am perfectly aware I am being called a Karen behind my back or at least in people’s heads. Now you will say I probably am a Karen even though you don’t know me. And others would say you are (insert stereotype about Black women here) even though they don’t know you.

LoL You are a true Karen, indeed!

[Anonymous]

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We can only move forward but some parents on this board need there to be some kind of apology and ass kissing of parents from the WTU, I don’t really understand. It would only be performative and I am not for performative action. We need resources for all our students, ALL.

For the record, when folks come across disgruntled about COVID, it may not be about displeasure about the school closures two years ago, but continued quarantines for the under five and under 2 age group. Under 2 kids are getting quarantined 10 days for exposures while the rest of the world moves on and five days for the over two group without TTS option.

also why would it be performative to say "we have learned a lot in the past two years. no child (0-19 age group) in dc has died due to covid and only very few were hospitalized. Children face greater threats from other illnesses and we overcorrected due to the knowledge we had at the time. We understand the battles that students and their families faced because our staff and their families faced the same and we will cooperatively recover together. We no longer have a COVID-free stance." Why is it ass-kissing to be honest and show a desire to rebuild trust?