DC White flight - what will it mean for education?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I want to know how many former DCPS students left to go to private in the last couple of years. I think that number would be striking.


Are there lots of new private schools being built and opened? I see this narrative a lot on DCUM and I always wonder, where did these private schools find all of these new seats?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
DCPS is a district focused primarily on the growth and success of low-income children of color. From leadership down that is the priority, and it should be.


Explain to me why a school system should focus primarily upon on one socio-economic and ethnic group. Other jurisdictions like Arlington, Alexandria, MCPS, and Fairfax somehow seem to manage to care about ALL learners.


Whoa. To even argue the point would get you canceled. Just nod enthusiastically, appear to agree, but then do what every same parent does and either move to the ritzy part of dc with a passable high school or send them to private.

I also agree this city should focus more on keeping the kids of wealthy parents in public school, but I guess I’m a selfish gentrifying piece of sht or whatever.


+1.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, a lot of my DD’s 1st grade classmates on the Hill are moving to the burbs this summer. Not sure if it’s more than usual or not (certainly more than past summers though). At least 4 of 19 in her class alone.


This always happens. People stay in DC to get the free preschool and then they go where they really want to raise kids.
Anonymous
1% is not an especially large decrease. impact on schools ( separate and apart from any other factors like school closures) should be negligible. there has always been a large number of relatively transient 20-something renters in dc. while a new wave of that same demographic is relocating here now, a lot of the prior residents from this particular moment in time moved away never to return. the article says it tracks national patterns. i dont foresee the end of the city.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
DCPS is a district focused primarily on the growth and success of low-income children of color. From leadership down that is the priority, and it should be.


Explain to me why a school system should focus primarily upon on one socio-economic and ethnic group. Other jurisdictions like Arlington, Alexandria, MCPS, and Fairfax somehow seem to manage to care about ALL learners.


Because inequality is horrible for society overall, yes even for you.

I'm a European immigrant (but not Anglo) who is disgusted with continuing segregation and imprisonment of a significant portion of the US population. I want my kids to benefit from fair competition where the brightest minds can apply their talents and efforts to better society, not a system that suppresses such talent based on random and inconsequential (to quality) attribute, such as skin color, gender, accent, religion, sexual orientation, to name a few.


Do people really not get it or just pretend not to get it? SMH


Most whites believe that those other groups don’t contain the best or brightest. See how DCUM uses “white” as a proxy for UMC. If you’re really European but not Anglo, then you must be aware of this racism yourself, because it’s rampant in Europe also. Or are you just pretending it doesn’t exist?


Of course I am aware, that's why I mentioned I wasn't Anglo. But I can't figure out if they are that stupid, honestly. I mean, you get on an airplane, chances of seeing a white male in the cockpit are like 90%. By statistical definition that means the people who could have been best pilots are not flying the plane. (The airplane example is both a direct one and a metaphor for pretty much anything where you life is impacted by others--teachers, doctors, any leaders.) Do they really not realize systemic racism/sexism/other discrimination is detrimental to their well being (in addition to being catastrophic for the repressed groups)? Or do they just pretend not to realize it, en masse?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
DCPS is a district focused primarily on the growth and success of low-income children of color. From leadership down that is the priority, and it should be.


Explain to me why a school system should focus primarily upon on one socio-economic and ethnic group. Other jurisdictions like Arlington, Alexandria, MCPS, and Fairfax somehow seem to manage to care about ALL learners.


Because inequality is horrible for society overall, yes even for you.

I'm a European immigrant (but not Anglo) who is disgusted with continuing segregation and imprisonment of a significant portion of the US population. I want my kids to benefit from fair competition where the brightest minds can apply their talents and efforts to better society, not a system that suppresses such talent based on random and inconsequential (to quality) attribute, such as skin color, gender, accent, religion, sexual orientation, to name a few.


Do people really not get it or just pretend not to get it? SMH


Most whites believe that those other groups don’t contain the best or brightest. See how DCUM uses “white” as a proxy for UMC. If you’re really European but not Anglo, then you must be aware of this racism yourself, because it’s rampant in Europe also. Or are you just pretending it doesn’t exist?


Of course I am aware, that's why I mentioned I wasn't Anglo. But I can't figure out if they are that stupid, honestly. I mean, you get on an airplane, chances of seeing a white male in the cockpit are like 90%. By statistical definition that means the people who could have been best pilots are not flying the plane. (The airplane example is both a direct one and a metaphor for pretty much anything where you life is impacted by others--teachers, doctors, any leaders.) Do they really not realize systemic racism/sexism/other discrimination is detrimental to their well being (in addition to being catastrophic for the repressed groups)? Or do they just pretend not to realize it, en masse?


PS It's not as bad in Europe compared to the US, which you can see in overall inequality stats and incarceration rates. Also Europe had to reckon with nazism with paying reparations to victims of WW2, and German kids today have an extensive educational program to make sure they are fully aware of their history and ways to prevent it repeating. NO such broad recognition of the scale and depth of atrocities committed through slavery has ever been given in the US, to say nothing of reparations that should be instituted (but never will?).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, a lot of my DD’s 1st grade classmates on the Hill are moving to the burbs this summer. Not sure if it’s more than usual or not (certainly more than past summers though). At least 4 of 19 in her class alone.


This always happens. People stay in DC to get the free preschool and then they go where they really want to raise kids.


+1 Typical DC migratory pattern. Free PS3, PK4 and K and then move on. I would disagree with the "go where they really want to raise kids" sentiment, however. When families need more space DC is prohibitively expensive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, a lot of my DD’s 1st grade classmates on the Hill are moving to the burbs this summer. Not sure if it’s more than usual or not (certainly more than past summers though). At least 4 of 19 in her class alone.


This always happens. People stay in DC to get the free preschool and then they go where they really want to raise kids.


Exactly. These people were never going to stay anyway. They came to DC as young professionals, "played city" for a while (which was super progressive and cool), then are returning to the suburbs where they were raised themselves.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
DCPS is a district focused primarily on the growth and success of low-income children of color. From leadership down that is the priority, and it should be.


Explain to me why a school system should focus primarily upon on one socio-economic and ethnic group. Other jurisdictions like Arlington, Alexandria, MCPS, and Fairfax somehow seem to manage to care about ALL learners.


Because inequality is horrible for society overall, yes even for you.

I'm a European immigrant (but not Anglo) who is disgusted with continuing segregation and imprisonment of a significant portion of the US population. I want my kids to benefit from fair competition where the brightest minds can apply their talents and efforts to better society, not a system that suppresses such talent based on random and inconsequential (to quality) attribute, such as skin color, gender, accent, religion, sexual orientation, to name a few.


Do people really not get it or just pretend not to get it? SMH


You are arguing that DCPS should prioritize a single demographic out of equality?! Huh.


You know as well as I do that when DCUM parents say they want “equal treatment” of their demographic, what they really mean is that they demand the right to utterly reshape educational policy and implement pro-white affirmative action in a doomed attempt to attract high SES white families to schools. When they say they want equality, they DON’T mean - as other groups who have made that demand have meant — that they want an end to discriminatory or abusive policies. What they want is that the schools be reshaped in a way that pleases them (tracking, gifted programs, suspensions and expulsions). And they want all that as a gesture to high SES whites who currently don’t use the schools —- a gesture that history shows will certainly fail as those high SES whites continue to move to be burbs or go private, despite their protestations to the contrary.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Thanks Charles Allen! Just keep shoveling millions to useless violence interrupters. People are voting with their feet.


This.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
DCPS is a district focused primarily on the growth and success of low-income children of color. From leadership down that is the priority, and it should be.


Explain to me why a school system should focus primarily upon on one socio-economic and ethnic group. Other jurisdictions like Arlington, Alexandria, MCPS, and Fairfax somehow seem to manage to care about ALL learners.


Because inequality is horrible for society overall, yes even for you.

I'm a European immigrant (but not Anglo) who is disgusted with continuing segregation and imprisonment of a significant portion of the US population. I want my kids to benefit from fair competition where the brightest minds can apply their talents and efforts to better society, not a system that suppresses such talent based on random and inconsequential (to quality) attribute, such as skin color, gender, accent, religion, sexual orientation, to name a few.


Do people really not get it or just pretend not to get it? SMH


You are arguing that DCPS should prioritize a single demographic out of equality?! Huh.


You know as well as I do that when DCUM parents say they want “equal treatment” of their demographic, what they really mean is that they demand the right to utterly reshape educational policy and implement pro-white affirmative action in a doomed attempt to attract high SES white families to schools. When they say they want equality, they DON’T mean - as other groups who have made that demand have meant — that they want an end to discriminatory or abusive policies. What they want is that the schools be reshaped in a way that pleases them (tracking, gifted programs, suspensions and expulsions). And they want all that as a gesture to high SES whites who currently don’t use the schools —- a gesture that history shows will certainly fail as those high SES whites continue to move to be burbs or go private, despite their protestations to the contrary.


I'm sorry, did you just equate racially biased suspensions and disproportionate discipline of children of color with providing honors classes in MS and HS? This type of BS is how people like you lose people like me who otherwise support equity goals. I is possible to achieve multiple goals and outcomes at the same time. And it is patently offensive to suggest that honors classes and provision of advanced materials is somehow biased against children of color.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Thanks Charles Allen! Just keep shoveling millions to useless violence interrupters. People are voting with their feet.


This.


Yap, yap, yap. All talk. But the man ran unopposed because other than a few whiners who like to commiserate on DCUM he's very popular and does a good job. I look forward to more of your incessant whining when he's sworn in for another 4 year term.
Anonymous
No one goes to DC Schools ….they are too crowded.
Anonymous
As a white middle class family living in cap hill I can say the only reason we are keeping our kids in dcps is the hope of getting into DCI. We are currently in a feeder school and we cannot afford private school. Maybe a small chance we could move somewhere in upper nw eventually but that's not a guarantee. We would probably move to burbs or elsewhere if we don't get into DCI or Latin. We love DC and have been here over a decade but the never ending virtual learning was devestating and destabilizing to our family. And it went on too long...
Anonymous
These white flight people are probably people who have knowledge worker jobs that have all remote policies. They also probably didn’t sell their DC house/condo and are contributing to the ridiculous cost of housing.

Go on, move to Nashville, Richmond, Salt Lake. Raleigh, etc…for bland, vanilla suburban life and keep telling yourself you are progressive…. DC will keep making its own culture. You weren’t doing it anyway.

Paz to the District!
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