MS Acceleration Question

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Anonymous wrote:The experience and the outcome depends on the kid...
Our DC is very good at math. this year he is in 6th grade and is finishing Algebra 1. He found the class fun and interesting. Most of his friends were 7th graders from that class. This is one class were he felt most like himself. He got a solid A. For context... He has always had very high MAP-M scores. This the spring he got over 280.

Our MS simply said that 6th graders can only be in AMP6+ or AMP7+, even though my (current) 5th grader's last MAP-M score was 266.

This is the problem we are having too. But AIM is the only option for highly abled students who going to be bored in the class room. I am worried that DC is going to refuse to go to school if they do not provide sufficient challenge.

I should clarify, they did recommend my son for AMP7+, I was just surprised at the no AIM option, since I thought AIM also had some other enrichment. He does RSM as well, so I'm not too concerned about it, though it's a bit unfortunate that there are fewer options available in public school.

These posters make me so nauseated. You are enriching with your private money and then you complain he's bored because he is so far ahead? Get a a grip. Stop enriching then. What is the point?

Yeah.. you keep watching sports and movies while these kids push themselves ahead in their life. Stop discouraging others from building a bright future for their kids.

DP, but my 5th grader has a MAP score a dozen points over the lady paying for RSM and I don’t supplement at all. Not so many sports or movies for him, he’s more of a video game kid. Not all high scoring kids have pushy parents dumping $$ into enrichment schools.

But you have $$ to buy him video games. Many families don't have $ to buy their kids laptops for the summer or smart phones, or to take time off to take kids to the library for free stuff! Why are you enriching your kid with video games?? He will be more advanced than my kids who don't get to have video games!

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Anonymous wrote:Is your child coming from private? Is that why you say he's "done" with pre-algebra or are you supplementing outside of school?

If you are coming from private you could consider not doing AIM but I wouldn't recommend it because it's such a foundational class.

Also, only a few schools will even entertain your question. Most will tell you it's a requirement.

All topics covered in AIM are already done in 5th grade. Principal did not convince us that it is not a repeat of what DC already knows or what will DC learn new in addition to what is already done. But refuses to assign Algebra 1.
This is getting to a point that highly abled students are going to be left behind.

It is DEFINITELY not a repeat of fifth grade.

+1. Compacted 5th grade is Math 5/6. AIM is Math 7/8.

Let us say your kid consistently score high in Maths and for instance, scored 280 in Spring 2022 MAP M. That score is 99th percentile in 10th grade, above 99th percentile in 9th, 8th and 7th and 6th grade.
What arguments will you provide that will convince me that the kid will not handle 8th grade math efficeintly?

Schools also look at maturity, executive functioning. If your child needs help accessing things on the portal themselves, needs extra help getting forming a group with kids who are a few years older, is timid about self-advocating may not be a good idea. The fact that you are on here talking about your child instead of your child asking for this is a red flag.

Who else is going to advocate for PP's child? I am sure not you. That is why the parents does and it is a green flag not red.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is your child coming from private? Is that why you say he's "done" with pre-algebra or are you supplementing outside of school?

If you are coming from private you could consider not doing AIM but I wouldn't recommend it because it's such a foundational class.

Also, only a few schools will even entertain your question. Most will tell you it's a requirement.

All topics covered in AIM are already done in 5th grade. Principal did not convince us that it is not a repeat of what DC already knows or what will DC learn new in addition to what is already done. But refuses to assign Algebra 1.
This is getting to a point that highly abled students are going to be left behind.

It is DEFINITELY not a repeat of fifth grade.

+1. Compacted 5th grade is Math 5/6. AIM is Math 7/8.

Let us say your kid consistently score high in Maths and for instance, scored 280 in Spring 2022 MAP M. That score is 99th percentile in 10th grade, above 99th percentile in 9th, 8th and 7th and 6th grade.
What arguments will you provide that will convince me that the kid will not handle 8th grade math efficeintly?

Schools also look at maturity, executive functioning. If your child needs help accessing things on the portal themselves, needs extra help getting forming a group with kids who are a few years older, is timid about self-advocating may not be a good idea. The fact that you are on here talking about your child instead of your child asking for this is a red flag.

Who else is going to advocate for PP's child? I am sure not you. That is why the parents does and it is a green flag not red.

If your child was that advanced and mature the school would have noticed. Given the age of your child your child should be able to self advocate.
Why is this so difficult to understand?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is your child coming from private? Is that why you say he's "done" with pre-algebra or are you supplementing outside of school?

If you are coming from private you could consider not doing AIM but I wouldn't recommend it because it's such a foundational class.

Also, only a few schools will even entertain your question. Most will tell you it's a requirement.

All topics covered in AIM are already done in 5th grade. Principal did not convince us that it is not a repeat of what DC already knows or what will DC learn new in addition to what is already done. But refuses to assign Algebra 1.
This is getting to a point that highly abled students are going to be left behind.

It is DEFINITELY not a repeat of fifth grade.

+1. Compacted 5th grade is Math 5/6. AIM is Math 7/8.

Let us say your kid consistently score high in Maths and for instance, scored 280 in Spring 2022 MAP M. That score is 99th percentile in 10th grade, above 99th percentile in 9th, 8th and 7th and 6th grade.
What arguments will you provide that will convince me that the kid will not handle 8th grade math efficeintly?

Schools also look at maturity, executive functioning. If your child needs help accessing things on the portal themselves, needs extra help getting forming a group with kids who are a few years older, is timid about self-advocating may not be a good idea. The fact that you are on here talking about your child instead of your child asking for this is a red flag.

Who else is going to advocate for PP's child? I am sure not you. That is why the parents does and it is a green flag not red.

If your child was that advanced and mature the school would have noticed. Given the age of your child your child should be able to self advocate.
Why is this so difficult to understand?

What is not very difficult to understand is that you have no clue what you are talking about.

It is almost impossible to get acceleration in MCPS even for truly gifted children, even with parental advocacy. Here is a link to the case of a truly gifted child that became public.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/update-no-back-to-school-for-gifted-10-year-old

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-a-top-school-district-tried-to-block-a-very-gifted-child/2016/07/31/32dfc37a-5513-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The experience and the outcome depends on the kid...
Our DC is very good at math. this year he is in 6th grade and is finishing Algebra 1. He found the class fun and interesting. Most of his friends were 7th graders from that class. This is one class were he felt most like himself. He got a solid A. For context... He has always had very high MAP-M scores. This the spring he got over 280.

Our MS simply said that 6th graders can only be in AMP6+ or AMP7+, even though my (current) 5th grader's last MAP-M score was 266.

This is the problem we are having too. But AIM is the only option for highly abled students who going to be bored in the class room. I am worried that DC is going to refuse to go to school if they do not provide sufficient challenge.

I should clarify, they did recommend my son for AMP7+, I was just surprised at the no AIM option, since I thought AIM also had some other enrichment. He does RSM as well, so I'm not too concerned about it, though it's a bit unfortunate that there are fewer options available in public school.

These posters make me so nauseated. You are enriching with your private money and then you complain he's bored because he is so far ahead? Get a a grip. Stop enriching then. What is the point?

Yeah.. you keep watching sports and movies while these kids push themselves ahead in their life. Stop discouraging others from building a bright future for their kids.

DP, but my 5th grader has a MAP score a dozen points over the lady paying for RSM and I don’t supplement at all. Not so many sports or movies for him, he’s more of a video game kid. Not all high scoring kids have pushy parents dumping $$ into enrichment schools.

But you have $$ to buy him video games. Many families don't have $ to buy their kids laptops for the summer or smart phones, or to take time off to take kids to the library for free stuff! Why are you enriching your kid with video games?? He will be more advanced than my kids who don't get to have video games!

MCPS gives all students laptops who want one. MCPS provides free tutoring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is your child coming from private? Is that why you say he's "done" with pre-algebra or are you supplementing outside of school?

If you are coming from private you could consider not doing AIM but I wouldn't recommend it because it's such a foundational class.

Also, only a few schools will even entertain your question. Most will tell you it's a requirement.

All topics covered in AIM are already done in 5th grade. Principal did not convince us that it is not a repeat of what DC already knows or what will DC learn new in addition to what is already done. But refuses to assign Algebra 1.
This is getting to a point that highly abled students are going to be left behind.

It is DEFINITELY not a repeat of fifth grade.

+1. Compacted 5th grade is Math 5/6. AIM is Math 7/8.

It is almost as though MCPS is not a place for highly abled kids anymore.

Let us say your kid consistently score high in Maths and for instance, scored 280 in Spring 2022 MAP M. That score is 99th percentile in 10th grade, above 99th percentile in 9th, 8th and 7th and 6th grade.
What arguments will you provide that will convince me that the kid will not handle 8th grade math efficeintly?

Schools also look at maturity, executive functioning. If your child needs help accessing things on the portal themselves, needs extra help getting forming a group with kids who are a few years older, is timid about self-advocating may not be a good idea. The fact that you are on here talking about your child instead of your child asking for this is a red flag.

Who else is going to advocate for PP's child? I am sure not you. That is why the parents does and it is a green flag not red.

If your child was that advanced and mature the school would have noticed. Given the age of your child your child should be able to self advocate.
Why is this so difficult to understand?

What is not very difficult to understand is that you have no clue what you are talking about.

It is almost impossible to get acceleration in MCPS even for truly gifted children, even with parental advocacy. Here is a link to the case of a truly gifted child that became public.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/update-no-back-to-school-for-gifted-10-year-old

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-a-top-school-district-tried-to-block-a-very-gifted-child/2016/07/31/32dfc37a-5513-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The experience and the outcome depends on the kid...
Our DC is very good at math. this year he is in 6th grade and is finishing Algebra 1. He found the class fun and interesting. Most of his friends were 7th graders from that class. This is one class were he felt most like himself. He got a solid A. For context... He has always had very high MAP-M scores. This the spring he got over 280.

Our MS simply said that 6th graders can only be in AMP6+ or AMP7+, even though my (current) 5th grader's last MAP-M score was 266.

This is the problem we are having too. But AIM is the only option for highly abled students who going to be bored in the class room. I am worried that DC is going to refuse to go to school if they do not provide sufficient challenge.

I should clarify, they did recommend my son for AMP7+, I was just surprised at the no AIM option, since I thought AIM also had some other enrichment. He does RSM as well, so I'm not too concerned about it, though it's a bit unfortunate that there are fewer options available in public school.

These posters make me so nauseated. You are enriching with your private money and then you complain he's bored because he is so far ahead? Get a a grip. Stop enriching then. What is the point?

Yeah.. you keep watching sports and movies while these kids push themselves ahead in their life. Stop discouraging others from building a bright future for their kids.

DP, but my 5th grader has a MAP score a dozen points over the lady paying for RSM and I don’t supplement at all. Not so many sports or movies for him, he’s more of a video game kid. Not all high scoring kids have pushy parents dumping $$ into enrichment schools.

But you have $$ to buy him video games. Many families don't have $ to buy their kids laptops for the summer or smart phones, or to take time off to take kids to the library for free stuff! Why are you enriching your kid with video games?? He will be more advanced than my kids who don't get to have video games!

MCPS gives all students laptops who want one. MCPS provides free tutoring.

Highly abled students are looking for opportunities to expand their knowledge. They are looking for challenging curriculum that help them learn and grow. They are not looking for free stuff

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is your child coming from private? Is that why you say he's "done" with pre-algebra or are you supplementing outside of school?

If you are coming from private you could consider not doing AIM but I wouldn't recommend it because it's such a foundational class.

Also, only a few schools will even entertain your question. Most will tell you it's a requirement.

All topics covered in AIM are already done in 5th grade. Principal did not convince us that it is not a repeat of what DC already knows or what will DC learn new in addition to what is already done. But refuses to assign Algebra 1.
This is getting to a point that highly abled students are going to be left behind.

It is DEFINITELY not a repeat of fifth grade.

+1. Compacted 5th grade is Math 5/6. AIM is Math 7/8.

Let us say your kid consistently score high in Maths and for instance, scored 280 in Spring 2022 MAP M. That score is 99th percentile in 10th grade, above 99th percentile in 9th, 8th and 7th and 6th grade.
What arguments will you provide that will convince me that the kid will not handle 8th grade math efficeintly?

Schools also look at maturity, executive functioning. If your child needs help accessing things on the portal themselves, needs extra help getting forming a group with kids who are a few years older, is timid about self-advocating may not be a good idea. The fact that you are on here talking about your child instead of your child asking for this is a red flag.

Who else is going to advocate for PP's child? I am sure not you. That is why the parents does and it is a green flag not red.

If your child was that advanced and mature the school would have noticed. Given the age of your child your child should be able to self advocate.
Why is this so difficult to understand?

What is not very difficult to understand is that you have no clue what you are talking about.

It is almost impossible to get acceleration in MCPS even for truly gifted children, even with parental advocacy. Here is a link to the case of a truly gifted child that became public.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/update-no-back-to-school-for-gifted-10-year-old

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-a-top-school-district-tried-to-block-a-very-gifted-child/2016/07/31/32dfc37a-5513-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html

I don't understand your point. She was later accelerated and she graduated from Blair at age 15. For a child reading Kipling in K no amount of acceleration at school was going to fix that. The parents made a good decision to home school then.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve observed of my child’s AIM class this year, what is covered in AIM is not the same as what was covered in compacted math. So even if there’s some overlap in topics, AIM will not just be a review of compacted math.

This. It’s a valuable class.

I'd be very cautious about putting a child in Algebra in 8th. There is a developmental aspect to math learning. If you put a child into a class before they are developmentally ready for the abstract aspects of the math, they will flounder.

For one of our children, who developed math skills early and took AIM in 5th, AIM was a complete waste. We should have had that child take Algebra in 5th.

Our other child, who was also a high-performing student, wasn't as quick to develop abstract math skills. We held that child back in math against the school's recommendation and had them take AIM in 7th and Algebra in 8th, and they did great in math. I think for that child if we had pushed Algebra earlier, the child never would have caught up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve observed of my child’s AIM class this year, what is covered in AIM is not the same as what was covered in compacted math. So even if there’s some overlap in topics, AIM will not just be a review of compacted math.

This. It’s a valuable class.

I'd be very cautious about putting a child in Algebra in 8th. There is a developmental aspect to math learning. If you put a child into a class before they are developmentally ready for the abstract aspects of the math, they will flounder.

For one of our children, who developed math skills early and took AIM in 5th, AIM was a complete waste. We should have had that child take Algebra in 5th.

Our other child, who was also a high-performing student, wasn't as quick to develop abstract math skills. We held that child back in math against the school's recommendation and had them take AIM in 7th and Algebra in 8th, and they did great in math. I think for that child if we had pushed Algebra earlier, the child never would have caught up.

you are making stuff up right? "developmentally ready"? define that for us please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve observed of my child’s AIM class this year, what is covered in AIM is not the same as what was covered in compacted math. So even if there’s some overlap in topics, AIM will not just be a review of compacted math.

This. It’s a valuable class.

I'd be very cautious about putting a child in Algebra in 8th. There is a developmental aspect to math learning. If you put a child into a class before they are developmentally ready for the abstract aspects of the math, they will flounder.

For one of our children, who developed math skills early and took AIM in 5th, AIM was a complete waste. We should have had that child take Algebra in 5th.

Our other child, who was also a high-performing student, wasn't as quick to develop abstract math skills. We held that child back in math against the school's recommendation and had them take AIM in 7th and Algebra in 8th, and they did great in math. I think for that child if we had pushed Algebra earlier, the child never would have caught up.

you are making stuff up right? "developmentally ready"? define that for us please.

I would say, If Child is consistently scoring high in maths well about grade level, you should ask for Algebra 1 in 6th grade. Kids adapts well and they will continue to make progress at same rate while others who hold back will watch from the sidelines. I would never recommend anyone to hold back their child inconsistent in their performance quarter affter quarter or year after year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve observed of my child’s AIM class this year, what is covered in AIM is not the same as what was covered in compacted math. So even if there’s some overlap in topics, AIM will not just be a review of compacted math.

This. It’s a valuable class.

I'd be very cautious about putting a child in Algebra in 8th. There is a developmental aspect to math learning. If you put a child into a class before they are developmentally ready for the abstract aspects of the math, they will flounder.

For one of our children, who developed math skills early and took AIM in 5th, AIM was a complete waste. We should have had that child take Algebra in 5th.

Our other child, who was also a high-performing student, wasn't as quick to develop abstract math skills. We held that child back in math against the school's recommendation and had them take AIM in 7th and Algebra in 8th, and they did great in math. I think for that child if we had pushed Algebra earlier, the child never would have caught up.

you are making stuff up right? "developmentally ready"? define that for us please.

I'm not that PP but you sound really ignorant. Being able to understand abstract math is like similar to learning how to walk or read. You can give kids a little help but if their brains (or bodies in the case of walking) are not ready you really can't do very much. This is why some late readers turn out to be the top students in AP English over some kids who were fluent readers in K.

I personally have no idea about your child and some children definitely are ready in 6th grade for Algebra I but getting upset asking a poster if they are making up stuff is just really aggressive especially when what they wrote is correct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The experience and the outcome depends on the kid...
Our DC is very good at math. this year he is in 6th grade and is finishing Algebra 1. He found the class fun and interesting. Most of his friends were 7th graders from that class. This is one class were he felt most like himself. He got a solid A. For context... He has always had very high MAP-M scores. This the spring he got over 280.

Our MS simply said that 6th graders can only be in AMP6+ or AMP7+, even though my (current) 5th grader's last MAP-M score was 266.

This is the problem we are having too. But AIM is the only option for highly abled students who going to be bored in the class room. I am worried that DC is going to refuse to go to school if they do not provide sufficient challenge.

I should clarify, they did recommend my son for AMP7+, I was just surprised at the no AIM option, since I thought AIM also had some other enrichment. He does RSM as well, so I'm not too concerned about it, though it's a bit unfortunate that there are fewer options available in public school.

These posters make me so nauseated. You are enriching with your private money and then you complain he's bored because he is so far ahead? Get a a grip. Stop enriching then. What is the point?

Yeah.. you keep watching sports and movies while these kids push themselves ahead in their life. Stop discouraging others from building a bright future for their kids.

DP, but my 5th grader has a MAP score a dozen points over the lady paying for RSM and I don’t supplement at all. Not so many sports or movies for him, he’s more of a video game kid. Not all high scoring kids have pushy parents dumping $$ into enrichment schools.

But you have $$ to buy him video games. Many families don't have $ to buy their kids laptops for the summer or smart phones, or to take time off to take kids to the library for free stuff! Why are you enriching your kid with video games?? He will be more advanced than my kids who don't get to have video games!

MCPS gives all students laptops who want one. MCPS provides free tutoring.

Highly abled students are looking for opportunities to expand their knowledge. They are looking for challenging curriculum that help them learn and grow. They are not looking for free stuff

Tutoring is one way to get acceleration. How do you not understand that? I have a very smart kid. We supplemented at home for years and still do. They are taking private summer school classes that we pay for and free mcps tutoring. Stop complain and figure it out if its important to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve observed of my child’s AIM class this year, what is covered in AIM is not the same as what was covered in compacted math. So even if there’s some overlap in topics, AIM will not just be a review of compacted math.

This. It’s a valuable class.

I'd be very cautious about putting a child in Algebra in 8th. There is a developmental aspect to math learning. If you put a child into a class before they are developmentally ready for the abstract aspects of the math, they will flounder.

For one of our children, who developed math skills early and took AIM in 5th, AIM was a complete waste. We should have had that child take Algebra in 5th.

Our other child, who was also a high-performing student, wasn't as quick to develop abstract math skills. We held that child back in math against the school's recommendation and had them take AIM in 7th and Algebra in 8th, and they did great in math. I think for that child if we had pushed Algebra earlier, the child never would have caught up.

you are making stuff up right? "developmentally ready"? define that for us please.

This post makes no sense. There is no Algebra in 5th grade, just sixth and why hold back another child? Do you even work with your kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve observed of my child’s AIM class this year, what is covered in AIM is not the same as what was covered in compacted math. So even if there’s some overlap in topics, AIM will not just be a review of compacted math.

This. It’s a valuable class.

I'd be very cautious about putting a child in Algebra in 8th. There is a developmental aspect to math learning. If you put a child into a class before they are developmentally ready for the abstract aspects of the math, they will flounder.

For one of our children, who developed math skills early and took AIM in 5th, AIM was a complete waste. We should have had that child take Algebra in 5th.

Our other child, who was also a high-performing student, wasn't as quick to develop abstract math skills. We held that child back in math against the school's recommendation and had them take AIM in 7th and Algebra in 8th, and they did great in math. I think for that child if we had pushed Algebra earlier, the child never would have caught up.

you are making stuff up right? "developmentally ready"? define that for us please.

I'm not that PP but you sound really ignorant. Being able to understand abstract math is like similar to learning how to walk or read. You can give kids a little help but if their brains (or bodies in the case of walking) are not ready you really can't do very much. This is why some late readers turn out to be the top students in AP English over some kids who were fluent readers in K.

I personally have no idea about your child and some children definitely are ready in 6th grade for Algebra I but getting upset asking a poster if they are making up stuff is just really aggressive especially when what they wrote is correct.

You sound as aggressive as the other poster in your response. Every child is different and when someone authoritatively writes some garbage, that invite questions. What did you find aggressive in question about defining developmentally ready? How do you know if someone is developmentally ready in terms of their brains other than looking at their consistent performance and test scores? You do not need to be a body builder to be fit. Just saying