Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?

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Anonymous wrote:Which electric cars are available without a 6 month wait?

If you are flexible on color/options, dealers have some ready to buy.

Or if you’re willing to buy used, Tesla has used models available quickly.

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We have a Polestar 2 and it is awesome. No wait time!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

This is the crux of the problem. Lots of EVs on the market with NO plan for a charging network. It's not like gas stations, which are everywhere. Tesla delivered on a robust strategy and other automakers seem content to just make the cars and leave their customers hanging. It's fine if you want another car, but you better be aware that you will struggle to actually use your car for a trip.

You don't need a specific network if you have an EV that charges using CCS, you can use any one (except, for now, the Tesla Superchargers, but even that will likely change). Some of them are better than others, yes, and I always prefer to use Electrify America for my ID.4 because it's free for the next few years for me, but I've yet to go somewhere where I couldn't find a way to charge -- nor have I "struggled" to go on road trips. It does sometimes take a little bit of advance planning, but if you otherwise like a non-Tesla EV better, I wouldn't let that stop you.

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

This is the crux of the problem. Lots of EVs on the market with NO plan for a charging network. It's not like gas stations, which are everywhere. Tesla delivered on a robust strategy and other automakers seem content to just make the cars and leave their customers hanging. It's fine if you want another car, but you better be aware that you will struggle to actually use your car for a trip.

You don't need a specific network if you have an EV that charges using CCS, you can use any one (except, for now, the Tesla Superchargers, but even that will likely change). Some of them are better than others, yes, and I always prefer to use Electrify America for my ID.4 because it's free for the next few years for me, but I've yet to go somewhere where I couldn't find a way to charge -- nor have I "struggled" to go on road trips. It does sometimes take a little bit of advance planning, but if you otherwise like a non-Tesla EV better, I wouldn't let that stop you.

+. Also, EVs like the ID.4 can tell you where the nearest chargers are.

[Anonymous]

Another ID.4 owner and, like pp, I mostly use Electrify America because it’s free for three years. But I can also use, for example, EVgo and ChargePoint.

With Tesla, you have to find a station with their proprietary handle.

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EV's are not convenient at all.

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With Tesla, you have to find a station with their proprietary handle.

Not correct. Tesla provides an adaptor that works for all the other chargers.

[Anonymous]

Tesla have had four. Husband thinks since we can afford it we should blah blah blah..

Nope reliability horrible. Besides pretty factor buy a Kia or Hyundai people. Musk wants the US to be Fascism I see no reason to help himPlus he hates women .

Love my Hyundai

[Anonymous]

Do any non-Tesla charging networks extend up beyond Portland, ME?

We have a wedding there later this year and would love to drive up in an EV. Doesn't look like Electrify America goes past Portland though?

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Anonymous wrote:I am obsessed with my ID.4

I hope this will be my next car! (Won't be for a few years as we are just a few months away from paying off my 2017 Tiguan.)

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We've been pretty happy with Nissan Leaf (on our second one). I think the wait lists for new cars are still pretty long, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

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We are on our second X and close family have 2 more x’s and 3 s’s and I have not noticed this in any of them

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Volvos and you can still get the $7,500 tax credit.

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Anonymous wrote:EV's are not convenient at all.

For us our EV is super convenient. We do almost all of our charging at home. Over the course of a year we drive each car about 6k miles. It is convenient to never have to stop at a gas station and we rarely use public charging. For example, I was at the mall yesterday and a free Volta station was open so I charged for 2 hours while at happy hour.

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

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We are on our second X and close family have 2 more x’s and 3 s’s and I have not noticed this in any of them

WE have plenty of 3s and Ys in our circle and they don't have the issues described above.