Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

We went over both of ours with a fine toothed comb and they were fine.

Nope. We have two Teslas and no issues with panel gaps (neither have any of our friends).

The car and driver reviews certainly found them

There's one guy on youtube who would go visit the tesla dealer and inspect the new car inventory like every month and he'd find panel gaps on pretty much all of them. Amazing how all these owners never have an issue (spoiler alert: tesla owners are not discerning customers)

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

Nope. We have two Teslas and no issues with panel gaps (neither have any of our friends).

The car and driver reviews certainly found them

There's one guy on youtube who would go visit the tesla dealer and inspect the new car inventory like every month and he'd find panel gaps on pretty much all of them. Amazing how all these owners never have an issue (spoiler alert: tesla owners are not discerning customers)

I’m sitting in one now. Where are all of these panel gaps?

Don't bother with that poster. There are 1 or 2 Tesla haters who pop into all these threads.

[Anonymous]

DH is on his second Tesla S. Other than a problem with a seat installed after a Jeep rear-ended him at a stop light, there have been no issues with the cars. We have traveled up and down the west coast for free due to the lifetime free supercharging offered when they were purchased (no longer available). Tesla came to our house to do a maintenance last week.

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I have an audi A3 PHEV (both electric and gas) and it has been a pleasant ownership experience over the past four years. My next car will be 100% electric and I would not hesitate to buy another Audi. They have made a lot of progress with their electric vehicles.

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Anonymous wrote:DH is on his second Tesla S. Other than a problem with a seat installed after a Jeep rear-ended him at a stop light, there have been no issues with the cars. We have traveled up and down the west coast for free due to the lifetime free supercharging offered when they were purchased (no longer available). Tesla came to our house to do a maintenance last week.

Excellent, thank you for that report ma'am. This thread is about NON-TESLA EVs mmkay?

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

This is the crux of the problem. Lots of EVs on the market with NO plan for a charging network. It's not like gas stations, which are everywhere. Tesla delivered on a robust strategy and other automakers seem content to just make the cars and leave their customers hanging. It's fine if you want another car, but you better be aware that you will struggle to actually use your car for a trip.

It’s because other EVs and PHEVs use a universal charger. I assume this was intended to contribute to real universality, leading to more widespread adoption. There’s no single market leader to fund and install universal charging infrastructure, though maybe that will change with the Ford F-150. Ford has been very proactive about EVs and PHEVs and hybrids, more than other U.S. automakers, i think.

In contrast, Tesla did a very specific thing and then installed their own charging infrastructure, which benefits only Tesla drivers. I’d expect that of Elon Musk, tbh.

Yea, this won't fly in Europe. See Apple and phone charger in Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:DH is on his second Tesla S. Other than a problem with a seat installed after a Jeep rear-ended him at a stop light, there have been no issues with the cars. We have traveled up and down the west coast for free due to the lifetime free supercharging offered when they were purchased (no longer available). Tesla came to our house to do a maintenance last week.

Excellent, thank you for that report ma'am. This thread is about NON-TESLA EVs mmkay?

Yet people are talking about it. Move along dude.

[Anonymous]

I have a Honda Clarity 2018 plug in Hybrid. Bought new for 23k after tax and federal and state rebate. It is no longer available new, but can get a low mileage used model for 20 to 25k. It has 6 gallon gas tank so no stress about running out of battery. I use EV mode 90 percent of the time, rarely need to buy gas.

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If you have a garage, most cars will plug into a standard outlet. Sure, it is slow charging, but I get 55 mile range in 12 hours charging with regular outlet. Agree that charging outside of Tesla network is not convenient outside the house. A lot of the paid charging stations like EVgo and Chargepoint, which I’m a member of, only have 1 or 2 chargers that will fit your car per location. If some other car is in that spot, you are out of luck. The Apps will indicate if the charger is occupied.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, other EV automakers do not have a robust supercharging network like Tesla. Read this below article before spending your money on one.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-car-four-day-trip-more-time-charging-sleeping

But in more douchebaggery from Musk, the Tesla chargers aren’t compatible with the fast chargers all the other electric car companies are using. And Musk refuses to accommodate the rest of the world. So every charging station needs to install both types of chargers, for extra $$$.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, other EV automakers do not have a robust supercharging network like Tesla. Read this below article before spending your money on one.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-car-four-day-trip-more-time-charging-sleeping

But in more douchebaggery from Musk, the Tesla chargers aren’t compatible with the fast chargers all the other electric car companies are using. And Musk refuses to accommodate the rest of the world. So every charging station needs to install both types of chargers, for extra $$$.

Sorry, I just saw somebody beat me to this.

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Helpful list.

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Link:
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-all-electric-car-models-available-in-the-us/

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, other EV automakers do not have a robust supercharging network like Tesla. Read this below article before spending your money on one.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-car-four-day-trip-more-time-charging-sleeping

But in more douchebaggery from Musk, the Tesla chargers aren’t compatible with the fast chargers all the other electric car companies are using. And Musk refuses to accommodate the rest of the world. So every charging station needs to install both types of chargers, for extra $$$.

Sorry, I just saw somebody beat me to this.

The infrastructure bill has a ton of money in it to build up electric vehicle charging nationwide.

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Which electric cars are available without a 6 month wait?