Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

This is the crux of the problem. Lots of EVs on the market with NO plan for a charging network. It's not like gas stations, which are everywhere. Tesla delivered on a robust strategy and other automakers seem content to just make the cars and leave their customers hanging. It's fine if you want another car, but you better be aware that you will struggle to actually use your car for a trip.

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I have a Bolt that Inserted as a commuter car and I love it. I've never tried to take it on a longer trip.

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

This is the crux of the problem. Lots of EVs on the market with NO plan for a charging network. It's not like gas stations, which are everywhere. Tesla delivered on a robust strategy and other automakers seem content to just make the cars and leave their customers hanging. It's fine if you want another car, but you better be aware that you will struggle to actually use your car for a trip.

It’s because other EVs and PHEVs use a universal charger. I assume this was intended to contribute to real universality, leading to more widespread adoption. There’s no single market leader to fund and install universal charging infrastructure, though maybe that will change with the Ford F-150. Ford has been very proactive about EVs and PHEVs and hybrids, more than other U.S. automakers, i think.

In contrast, Tesla did a very specific thing and then installed their own charging infrastructure, which benefits only Tesla drivers. I’d expect that of Elon Musk, tbh.

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

Nope. We have two Teslas and no issues with panel gaps (neither have any of our friends).

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We have a Tesla as our only car and there is no way I would do that if we couldn't use the Tesla supercharger network. Road trips are no problem. On the few occasions I have looked for an alternative fast charger, they are few and far between. I don't have a charger at home, only work, so also sometimes use the local superchargers. They will fill up my battery before I can finish my errands in the area. I think a lot of people don't focus on this difference enough when they are looking at other options. Also no problems with quality of my Model Y.

As to why we ended up here, Musk (who I also have issues with) has made it plain that he asked for the government or others to participate in building out a network and that he did not get uptake so his company undertook the cost of doing it themselves. Why should others get the advantage of what Tesla has paid for?

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Anonymous wrote:We have a Tesla as our only car and there is no way I would do that if we couldn't use the Tesla supercharger network. Road trips are no problem. On the few occasions I have looked for an alternative fast charger, they are few and far between. I don't have a charger at home, only work, so also sometimes use the local superchargers. They will fill up my battery before I can finish my errands in the area. I think a lot of people don't focus on this difference enough when they are looking at other options. Also no problems with quality of my Model Y.

As to why we ended up here, Musk (who I also have issues with) has made it plain that he asked for the government or others to participate in building out a network and that he did not get uptake so his company undertook the cost of doing it themselves. Why should others get the advantage of what Tesla has paid for?

Tesla has received 6 billion in government tax credit subsidies on its sales, another 2.5 billion in direct federal grants/subsidies, > 1 billion tax credits from Nevada and another > 1 billion from California. Tesla wouldn't exist at all if not for corporate welfare. Muskrats smdh

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VW/Audi is aggressively building out its Electrify network.

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Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

Nope. We have two Teslas and no issues with panel gaps (neither have any of our friends).

The car and driver reviews certainly found them

[Anonymous]

What are the electric options with a 3rd row? Can't afford a Model X even if I wanted to, so that's out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

Nope. We have two Teslas and no issues with panel gaps (neither have any of our friends).

The car and driver reviews certainly found them

There's one guy on youtube who would go visit the tesla dealer and inspect the new car inventory like every month and he'd find panel gaps on pretty much all of them. Amazing how all these owners never have an issue (spoiler alert: tesla owners are not discerning customers)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

Nope. We have two Teslas and no issues with panel gaps (neither have any of our friends).

The car and driver reviews certainly found them

Which models did they review?

No issues with our new Model S.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

Nope. We have two Teslas and no issues with panel gaps (neither have any of our friends).

The car and driver reviews certainly found them

There's one guy on youtube who would go visit the tesla dealer and inspect the new car inventory like every month and he'd find panel gaps on pretty much all of them. Amazing how all these owners never have an issue (spoiler alert: tesla owners are not discerning customers)

I’m sitting in one now. Where are all of these panel gaps?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mach-e or the Hyundai/Kia would be where I would start.

If you're planning to install a rapid charger at home, then focus on the Hyundai/Kia which can charge 10 to 80% in 20 minutes at a fast charger location.

see.. why do people buy teslas if Hyundais/Kias EVs are so good?

I'm gonna either get a Hyundai EV or plugin hybrid. I loathe Musk.

The Tesla charging network is really extensive. It makes it so easy. I also hate musk. We bought ours before it was obvious what an ass he is. But he really did something impressive in building that network of chargers across the country. I don’t think other cars can use them, but teslas can use any charger.

It's not just Musk, it's also the build quality. The panel gaps and paint jobs coming from Tesla now are unacceptable in a modern car

We are on our second Tesla and I haven’t noticed this. Is it an issue for lower-price models?

Nope. We have two Teslas and no issues with panel gaps (neither have any of our friends).

The car and driver reviews certainly found them

There's one guy on youtube who would go visit the tesla dealer and inspect the new car inventory like every month and he'd find panel gaps on pretty much all of them. Amazing how all these owners never have an issue (spoiler alert: tesla owners are not discerning customers)

I’m sitting in one now. Where are all of these panel gaps?

I'll give you a hint. You need to be OUTSIDE the car, genius