If you are or were a manager that micromanaged to push someone out for no reason

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess you could say I've done this -- my boss used to make me supervise people the other managers kept saying weren't completing their tasks. Mostly they just needed some extra support or something. But I had two who I ended up micromanaging out of desperation because I couldn't figure out how else to get them to do anything. One turned out to be trying to work a second consulting gig at the same time as he was working for us. The other one I never figured out his deal -- he seemed willing and he had interviewed well I think but he just didn't seem able to put together even the simplest anything about our field and maybe didn't know how to use google? Not sure. Anyway, the former person was fired; the latter chose to leave eventually.

I’ve had to micromanage employees before. They made so many mistakes and basically didn’t know what they were doing. And yes, I’ve also uncovered bad employee behavior once I really started paying attention. One had a side job and the other just watched tv all day. If you’re being micromanaged- maybe ask if there is a problem with your work product.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess you could say I've done this -- my boss used to make me supervise people the other managers kept saying weren't completing their tasks. Mostly they just needed some extra support or something. But I had two who I ended up micromanaging out of desperation because I couldn't figure out how else to get them to do anything. One turned out to be trying to work a second consulting gig at the same time as he was working for us. The other one I never figured out his deal -- he seemed willing and he had interviewed well I think but he just didn't seem able to put together even the simplest anything about our field and maybe didn't know how to use google? Not sure. Anyway, the former person was fired; the latter chose to leave eventually.

I’ve had to micromanage employees before. They made so many mistakes and basically didn’t know what they were doing. And yes, I’ve also uncovered bad employee behavior once I really started paying attention. One had a side job and the other just watched tv all day. If you’re being micromanaged- maybe ask if there is a problem with your work product.

That just sounds like management didn't properly train them. I know a contract was lost because the client wasn't receive a fair work product. They were just putting people to work without spending time training them. Many employees were transferred or laid off. If you are only paying attention to one employee versus many others who made the same mistake or worse mistakes then why is that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt anyone will admit it, even here.

I was pushed out if a job, though less through micromanaging and more through a slow atrophy of my career at the company. My bosses were polite to my face and had no cause to fire me or demote me as I was good at my job and liked by clients. They quietly ignored me, stayed indifferent to my projects, failed to staff me to anything new, until I quit because I was miserable. The silent treatment.

The reason why, I learned later, is that a colleague told them privately that he believed I was a Trump supporter. The irony: I’m not. But for some reason they believed him. They couldn’t ask me about it or do anything officially because that would have been blatantly illegal. So they froze me out, work became miserable (I went in antidepressants and still struggled, this whole thing destroyed my sense of self worth and made me feel like I was going crazy). I tried several times to understand what was going on, and they’d avoid meeting with me directly and then lie and say everything was great.

If I thought it wouldn’t be a miserable experience, I’d sue them. But my mental health improved when I left the job and now I think I have PTSD— I can imagine going through a legal process with them.

I don’t think they’d even admit it, even here, because even putting it somewhere anonymously could expose them to liability. The only reason I know is a former colleague who is in grad school for a career change told me, and she would never testify to it.

People are monsters.

Don’t pursue legal action because there’s nothing illegal here. Hope you find yourself in a better situation now.

It’s illegal to discriminate against employees for their political beliefs.

Please cite the law that applies. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did at a particularly cut throat corp. I was tasked with getting rid of a few employees after a re-org who remained friends with the "wrong people." They were good, productive workers that probably were happy they were tossed out of that environment.

People are not better off or happy to be thrown out like garbage. Keep telling yourself that.

PK, well, keep operating in your feelings like a child and see how well that works out for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt anyone will admit it, even here.

I was pushed out if a job, though less through micromanaging and more through a slow atrophy of my career at the company. My bosses were polite to my face and had no cause to fire me or demote me as I was good at my job and liked by clients. They quietly ignored me, stayed indifferent to my projects, failed to staff me to anything new, until I quit because I was miserable. The silent treatment.

The reason why, I learned later, is that a colleague told them privately that he believed I was a Trump supporter. The irony: I’m not. But for some reason they believed him. They couldn’t ask me about it or do anything officially because that would have been blatantly illegal. So they froze me out, work became miserable (I went in antidepressants and still struggled, this whole thing destroyed my sense of self worth and made me feel like I was going crazy). I tried several times to understand what was going on, and they’d avoid meeting with me directly and then lie and say everything was great.

If I thought it wouldn’t be a miserable experience, I’d sue them. But my mental health improved when I left the job and now I think I have PTSD— I can imagine going through a legal process with them.

I don’t think they’d even admit it, even here, because even putting it somewhere anonymously could expose them to liability. The only reason I know is a former colleague who is in grad school for a career change told me, and she would never testify to it.

People are monsters.

Leftists are monsters.

Aww, you’re cute. That Right Wing Faux Persecution Complex is such a good look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt anyone will admit it, even here.

I was pushed out if a job, though less through micromanaging and more through a slow atrophy of my career at the company. My bosses were polite to my face and had no cause to fire me or demote me as I was good at my job and liked by clients. They quietly ignored me, stayed indifferent to my projects, failed to staff me to anything new, until I quit because I was miserable. The silent treatment.

The reason why, I learned later, is that a colleague told them privately that he believed I was a Trump supporter. The irony: I’m not. But for some reason they believed him. They couldn’t ask me about it or do anything officially because that would have been blatantly illegal. So they froze me out, work became miserable (I went in antidepressants and still struggled, this whole thing destroyed my sense of self worth and made me feel like I was going crazy). I tried several times to understand what was going on, and they’d avoid meeting with me directly and then lie and say everything was great.

If I thought it wouldn’t be a miserable experience, I’d sue them. But my mental health improved when I left the job and now I think I have PTSD— I can imagine going through a legal process with them.

I don’t think they’d even admit it, even here, because even putting it somewhere anonymously could expose them to liability. The only reason I know is a former colleague who is in grad school for a career change told me, and she would never testify to it.

People are monsters.

Don’t pursue legal action because there’s nothing illegal here. Hope you find yourself in a better situation now.

It’s illegal to discriminate against employees for their political beliefs.

Please cite the law that applies. Thanks.

Obviously state dependent, but see, e.g., DC Code S 2-1402.11(a). (also, is Google broken today?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
[ quote ] And yes, I’ve also uncovered bad employee behavior once I really started paying attention. One had a side job and the other just watched tv all day. If you’re being micromanaged- maybe ask if there is a problem with your work product. [ /quote ]

That just sounds like management didn't properly train them. I know a contract was lost because the client wasn't receive a fair work product. They were just putting people to work without spending time training them. Many employees were transferred or laid off. If you are only paying attention to one employee versus many others who made the same mistake or worse mistakes then why is that?

How is someone watching TV all day or working a side gig "management didn't train them?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
[ quote ] And yes, I’ve also uncovered bad employee behavior once I really started paying attention. One had a side job and the other just watched tv all day. If you’re being micromanaged- maybe ask if there is a problem with your work product. [ /quote ]

That just sounds like management didn't properly train them. I know a contract was lost because the client wasn't receive a fair work product. They were just putting people to work without spending time training them. Many employees were transferred or laid off. If you are only paying attention to one employee versus many others who made the same mistake or worse mistakes then why is that?

How is someone watching TV all day or working a side gig "management didn't train them?"

Ha right? I am sure there are true micromanagers out there, but most of the time when someone complains about micromanaging, they're really saying they just want to be left alone and not have to be accountable. Sometimes they are turning out great work product but often they are not.

[Anonymous]

You know once I saw this cartoon depicting relationship between a manager and staff - two birds sitting on tree branches. Boss on the top branch, staff on bottom. Caption says when boss sees his staff he sees a "shithead" (boss pooped all over staff), when staff sees his boss he sees a "asshole". I thought man, this is so true!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt anyone will admit it, even here.

I was pushed out if a job, though less through micromanaging and more through a slow atrophy of my career at the company. My bosses were polite to my face and had no cause to fire me or demote me as I was good at my job and liked by clients. They quietly ignored me, stayed indifferent to my projects, failed to staff me to anything new, until I quit because I was miserable. The silent treatment.

The reason why, I learned later, is that a colleague told them privately that he believed I was a Trump supporter. The irony: I’m not. But for some reason they believed him. They couldn’t ask me about it or do anything officially because that would have been blatantly illegal. So they froze me out, work became miserable (I went in antidepressants and still struggled, this whole thing destroyed my sense of self worth and made me feel like I was going crazy). I tried several times to understand what was going on, and they’d avoid meeting with me directly and then lie and say everything was great.

If I thought it wouldn’t be a miserable experience, I’d sue them. But my mental health improved when I left the job and now I think I have PTSD— I can imagine going through a legal process with them.

I don’t think they’d even admit it, even here, because even putting it somewhere anonymously could expose them to liability. The only reason I know is a former colleague who is in grad school for a career change told me, and she would never testify to it.

People are monsters.

This is such a fantasy of the right, that they (and others!) are being persecuted for their beliefs. The reality is that no one cares. Especially in upper management of most organizations, because for reasons of age and wealth upper management leans conservative. Even if PP is not a troll and truly believes that was the reason, it wasn't the reason.

PP here, and not a troll. I know it was the reason. And to be clear, I don't support Trump -- I'm actually a member of the democratic socialists! I don't talk politics at work. The person who lied about this did it because they knew it would poison attitudes against me and they wanted me out. I don't think I got pushed out because of some leftist conspiracy (I'm on the far left). I got pushed out because a disgruntled colleague found a way to use politics to manipulate attitudes against me, and my organization was dysfunctional enough that it worked. This is what happened to me but there were others there who were punished in similar ways due to gossip and back channel manipulation. It was a vipers nest.

I'm sure there are conservatives who think they are being persecuted in this way and I can't speak to that. I am a leftist among leftists who just got railroaded by some nasty people willing to use these issues for their petty BS. Different deal.

Probably pushed out due to insufficient wokeness. Stupid of you to not tape a blm sign to your cubicle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
[ quote ] And yes, I’ve also uncovered bad employee behavior once I really started paying attention. One had a side job and the other just watched tv all day. If you’re being micromanaged- maybe ask if there is a problem with your work product. [ /quote ]

That just sounds like management didn't properly train them. I know a contract was lost because the client wasn't receive a fair work product. They were just putting people to work without spending time training them. Many employees were transferred or laid off. If you are only paying attention to one employee versus many others who made the same mistake or worse mistakes then why is that?

How is someone watching TV all day or working a side gig "management didn't train them?"

You cropped out what she said which isn't fair at all. Watching TV all day may be allowed in scifs or work environments where electronics aren't allowed. Watching TV on a computer all day isn't bad as long as the work gets done. Having a side job isn't bad either because it could be because that micromanager isn't paying enough but should only be an issue if it conflicts with work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt anyone will admit it, even here.

I was pushed out if a job, though less through micromanaging and more through a slow atrophy of my career at the company. My bosses were polite to my face and had no cause to fire me or demote me as I was good at my job and liked by clients. They quietly ignored me, stayed indifferent to my projects, failed to staff me to anything new, until I quit because I was miserable. The silent treatment.

The reason why, I learned later, is that a colleague told them privately that he believed I was a Trump supporter. The irony: I’m not. But for some reason they believed him. They couldn’t ask me about it or do anything officially because that would have been blatantly illegal. So they froze me out, work became miserable (I went in antidepressants and still struggled, this whole thing destroyed my sense of self worth and made me feel like I was going crazy). I tried several times to understand what was going on, and they’d avoid meeting with me directly and then lie and say everything was great.

If I thought it wouldn’t be a miserable experience, I’d sue them. But my mental health improved when I left the job and now I think I have PTSD— I can imagine going through a legal process with them.

I don’t think they’d even admit it, even here, because even putting it somewhere anonymously could expose them to liability. The only reason I know is a former colleague who is in grad school for a career change told me, and she would never testify to it.

People are monsters.

This is such a fantasy of the right, that they (and others!) are being persecuted for their beliefs. The reality is that no one cares. Especially in upper management of most organizations, because for reasons of age and wealth upper management leans conservative. Even if PP is not a troll and truly believes that was the reason, it wasn't the reason.

PP here, and not a troll. I know it was the reason. And to be clear, I don't support Trump -- I'm actually a member of the democratic socialists! I don't talk politics at work. The person who lied about this did it because they knew it would poison attitudes against me and they wanted me out. I don't think I got pushed out because of some leftist conspiracy (I'm on the far left). I got pushed out because a disgruntled colleague found a way to use politics to manipulate attitudes against me, and my organization was dysfunctional enough that it worked. This is what happened to me but there were others there who were punished in similar ways due to gossip and back channel manipulation. It was a vipers nest.

I'm sure there are conservatives who think they are being persecuted in this way and I can't speak to that. I am a leftist among leftists who just got railroaded by some nasty people willing to use these issues for their petty BS. Different deal.

Probably pushed out due to insufficient wokeness. Stupid of you to not tape a blm sign to your cubicle.

Interesting now I wonder if that's the reason why some people wear blm masks before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Managers are not always the best employees and they know it. Often times they are jealous of someone under them that possesses skills they do not. From what I have observed in my companies it can be pure jealousy and fear of being exposed as incompetent.

+1000

Get ride if anyone else senior or smart in order to be irreplaceable to the company… because they pushed out all the other knowledgeable hard workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt anyone will admit it, even here.

I was pushed out if a job, though less through micromanaging and more through a slow atrophy of my career at the company. My bosses were polite to my face and had no cause to fire me or demote me as I was good at my job and liked by clients. They quietly ignored me, stayed indifferent to my projects, failed to staff me to anything new, until I quit because I was miserable. The silent treatment.

The reason why, I learned later, is that a colleague told them privately that he believed I was a Trump supporter. The irony: I’m not. But for some reason they believed him. They couldn’t ask me about it or do anything officially because that would have been blatantly illegal. So they froze me out, work became miserable (I went in antidepressants and still struggled, this whole thing destroyed my sense of self worth and made me feel like I was going crazy). I tried several times to understand what was going on, and they’d avoid meeting with me directly and then lie and say everything was great.

If I thought it wouldn’t be a miserable experience, I’d sue them. But my mental health improved when I left the job and now I think I have PTSD— I can imagine going through a legal process with them.

I don’t think they’d even admit it, even here, because even putting it somewhere anonymously could expose them to liability. The only reason I know is a former colleague who is in grad school for a career change told me, and she would never testify to it.

People are monsters.

Trump supporter or not, managers will ALWAYS keep you around if you do one of two things (pref both)

1. Make their jobs easier
2. Make them look good

I think suspect a self awareness issue

But that individual knows all the managers goofs and questions and errors, because they’re the ones staying up all night fixing them or doing the analytics or closing the sale or relationship. Eventually the boss pushes them out due to insecurity and fear of being found out by the board.

[Anonymous]

Not pushed out by a micromanager but rather a very poor manager, who was also a poor communicator and it very analytical. So when the big guy retired they took it upon themselves to push everyone with a brain out, replace them with younger titles people and look irreplaceable.

Only it failed in less than 5 years. They were working longer hours than ever, their undermanaged jr folks were just surfing the web when anyone walked by, and their @$$ was on the line for every poorly contrived and uninformed decision they ever made.

So they were replaced by a consultant agreement. Oh well. They had a cushy overpaid job for 10 yrs!