Is BYU all Mormon?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll! We’re a somewhat conservative family and I don’t think strict social rules would be a huge problem for DS. But I wouldn’t want him to be an outcast.

I'm an ex-mo who went to BYU. The honor code (aka social rules) is one thing, but it's so much more than just the honor code. Social life really does revolve around religion and your ward (aka church). Also, almost everyone at BYU is looking to get married quickly, and co-ed socializing generally has the underlying purpose of finding a spouse, so some people might not even associate with your son because he's not mormon and therefore unmarriable in their eyes. Heck, my husband was Mormon, but because he didn't go on a mission he was avoided by a large contingent of girls at BYU. The culture there is extremely niche, there will be great pressure to join the church. A non-member would feel really freaking out of place there, I think.

I would never do it. There are many other conservative/conservative-leaning colleges he could go to.

DP. What colleges are these? I'd love to add to the list colleges that are not religious and also not extremely left-leaning. But I don't think that exists. At least not among even remotely selective colleges.

Wabash College in Indiana might be something to check into. It's all-male, not especially religious, and leans pretty well to the right. It doesn't have a world class reputation, but it's got a very solid reputation in Indiana. For whatever it's worth, in a recent Senate election cycle, all three candidates in the Republican primary were Wabash grads.

[Anonymous]

A million colleges to choose from, so why focus on the one super obvious poor choice for this student? What's the point? He would fit in more at Galludett or Yeshiva University than here. Did you REALLY need to come here and ask?

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Anonymous wrote:Their SLP clinic refuses to treat trans kids.

You mean refuses to prescribe hormone therapy? That's very different from refusing to prescribe a trans kid an antibiotic for strep throat.

No, I mean perform voice therapy. Do you know what an SLP clinic is?

+1. It is horrendous. The ASHA (basically the speech therapy version of the APA, AMA, etc.) came out with a strong statement against BYU's decision.

https://www.asha.org/news/2022/asha-statement-on-brigham-young-university-administration-decision-to-deny-speech-services-for-transgender-clients/

They won't treat a transgender person with a lisp?!

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Anonymous wrote:A million colleges to choose from, so why focus on the one super obvious poor choice for this student? What's the point? He would fit in more at Galludett or Yeshiva University than here. Did you REALLY need to come here and ask?

I guess OP did need to do that. It’s a fair question I thought. I know some BYU grads at work and think they’re smart and kind people. I also didn’t know that it could be oppressive for non-Mormons like some PPs say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A million colleges to choose from, so why focus on the one super obvious poor choice for this student? What's the point? He would fit in more at Galludett or Yeshiva University than here. Did you REALLY need to come here and ask?

I guess OP did need to do that. It’s a fair question I thought. I know some BYU grads at work and think they’re smart and kind people. I also didn’t know that it could be oppressive for non-Mormons like some PPs say.

I agree it's a fair question from someone not familiar with Mormons. Think of how many people go to Catholic universities who are not Catholic!

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Anonymous wrote:A million colleges to choose from, so why focus on the one super obvious poor choice for this student? What's the point? He would fit in more at Galludett or Yeshiva University than here. Did you REALLY need to come here and ask?

I guess OP did need to do that. It’s a fair question I thought. I know some BYU grads at work and think they’re smart and kind people. I also didn’t know that it could be oppressive for non-Mormons like some PPs say.

I agree it's a fair question from someone not familiar with Mormons. Think of how many people go to Catholic universities who are not Catholic!

For some schools founded with a religious background, the religion is like a seasoning on top of a secular education. For others, the religion is the main course.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll! We’re a somewhat conservative family and I don’t think strict social rules would be a huge problem for DS. But I wouldn’t want him to be an outcast.

I'm an ex-mo who went to BYU. The honor code (aka social rules) is one thing, but it's so much more than just the honor code. Social life really does revolve around religion and your ward (aka church). Also, almost everyone at BYU is looking to get married quickly, and co-ed socializing generally has the underlying purpose of finding a spouse, so some people might not even associate with your son because he's not mormon and therefore unmarriable in their eyes. Heck, my husband was Mormon, but because he didn't go on a mission he was avoided by a large contingent of girls at BYU. The culture there is extremely niche, there will be great pressure to join the church. A non-member would feel really freaking out of place there, I think.

I would never do it. There are many other conservative/conservative-leaning colleges he could go to.

DP. What colleges are these? I'd love to add to the list colleges that are not religious and also not extremely left-leaning. But I don't think that exists. At least not among even remotely selective colleges.

Wabash College in Indiana might be something to check into. It's all-male, not especially religious, and leans pretty well to the right. It doesn't have a world class reputation, but it's got a very solid reputation in Indiana. For whatever it's worth, in a recent Senate election cycle, all three candidates in the Republican primary were Wabash grads.

I went to law school with a Wabash grad. He was very smart and was superior in class discussions. He liked his weed more than studying though. I would say leaned more libertarian than traditional conservative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll! We’re a somewhat conservative family and I don’t think strict social rules would be a huge problem for DS. But I wouldn’t want him to be an outcast.

I'm an ex-mo who went to BYU. The honor code (aka social rules) is one thing, but it's so much more than just the honor code. Social life really does revolve around religion and your ward (aka church). Also, almost everyone at BYU is looking to get married quickly, and co-ed socializing generally has the underlying purpose of finding a spouse, so some people might not even associate with your son because he's not mormon and therefore unmarriable in their eyes. Heck, my husband was Mormon, but because he didn't go on a mission he was avoided by a large contingent of girls at BYU. The culture there is extremely niche, there will be great pressure to join the church. A non-member would feel really freaking out of place there, I think.

I would never do it. There are many other conservative/conservative-leaning colleges he could go to.

Non-Mormon. It's not all one big ward - right? Curious how they form wards there? Do parents of BYU kids try to get their kids into "good" wards like a sorority?

DP here. Wards are just based on where you live. A ward has about 200 people in it so that’s maybe two apartment complexes? Your question about what the parents want is an odd one to me. From my experience, parents are pretty hands-off. They might want their kid to live in a nice apartment and those apartments and so their kids will naturally go to a ward with higher SES students, but part of this weird ethos of the church is going to church with whoever your neighbors happen to be rather than people you pick. I can’t imagine a parent trying to maneuver their kid into a more desirable ward since a) Mormon parents are rarely of the helicopter variety b) you might prefer to find “your people” but generally one ward isn’t considered more desirable and c) living on meager means is kind of glorified in the church so even parents who are well off might want their kid to live in a cheaper apartment and go to church with people who are less well-off.

Is it though? I see a few well known and wealthy Mormons that have a very Housewives lifestyle. Rachel Parcell and Jamie Obanion come to mind. Rich, skinny and lots of body flaunting.

the mormons I know are all very materialistic with a big emphasis on looking perfect at all times- in their modest, girl-next-door kind of way. At one point Utah had the highest rate of plastic surgery in the nation (maybe still does). it is an interesting culture to say the least.

Also Utah has the highest rate of antidepressant use by women in the US.

[Anonymous]

What about University of Utah? Similar location, plenty of conservative students, and he wouldn't be such a fish out of water religion-wise. Nor would he be punished if he *gasp* wants to have a cup of coffee or say a swear word.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll! We’re a somewhat conservative family and I don’t think strict social rules would be a huge problem for DS. But I wouldn’t want him to be an outcast.

I'm an ex-mo who went to BYU. The honor code (aka social rules) is one thing, but it's so much more than just the honor code. Social life really does revolve around religion and your ward (aka church). Also, almost everyone at BYU is looking to get married quickly, and co-ed socializing generally has the underlying purpose of finding a spouse, so some people might not even associate with your son because he's not mormon and therefore unmarriable in their eyes. Heck, my husband was Mormon, but because he didn't go on a mission he was avoided by a large contingent of girls at BYU. The culture there is extremely niche, there will be great pressure to join the church. A non-member would feel really freaking out of place there, I think.

I would never do it. There are many other conservative/conservative-leaning colleges he could go to.

DP. What colleges are these? I'd love to add to the list colleges that are not religious and also not extremely left-leaning. But I don't think that exists. At least not among even remotely selective colleges.

SEC schools

Lol. UF/Gainesville is a pretty liberal place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll! We’re a somewhat conservative family and I don’t think strict social rules would be a huge problem for DS. But I wouldn’t want him to be an outcast.

I'm an ex-mo who went to BYU. The honor code (aka social rules) is one thing, but it's so much more than just the honor code. Social life really does revolve around religion and your ward (aka church). Also, almost everyone at BYU is looking to get married quickly, and co-ed socializing generally has the underlying purpose of finding a spouse, so some people might not even associate with your son because he's not mormon and therefore unmarriable in their eyes. Heck, my husband was Mormon, but because he didn't go on a mission he was avoided by a large contingent of girls at BYU. The culture there is extremely niche, there will be great pressure to join the church. A non-member would feel really freaking out of place there, I think.

I would never do it. There are many other conservative/conservative-leaning colleges he could go to.

DP. What colleges are these? I'd love to add to the list colleges that are not religious and also not extremely left-leaning. But I don't think that exists. At least not among even remotely selective colleges.

SEC schools

Lol. UF/Gainesville is a pretty liberal place.

And? That’s only one of the SEC schools.

[Anonymous]

Why would any non-Mormon want to go to BYU? Bad idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any non-Mormon want to go to BYU? Bad idea.

It is cheap for anyone to go to, even cheaper for Mormons. Some students have absolutely no interest in drinking and want a lot of peace and quiet.

[Anonymous]

There used to be a fair amount of international students at BYU who weren't Mormon. Some of the Palestinian elite for example sent their kids there because it was a good education and a conservative social environment. I don't know if that's still the case. I think the emphasis on early marriage is slipping a bit--Mormons are getting married at older ages just like the rest of the US population. And I've heard grumbling that many of the women aren't interested in getting married because they're focused on education and career growth first! I do think it would be odd to not be Mormon there unless you're used to a conservative religious culture. The tuition can't be beat though!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any non-Mormon want to go to BYU? Bad idea.

It is cheap for anyone to go to, even cheaper for Mormons. Some students have absolutely no interest in drinking and want a lot of peace and quiet.

There is SO much more to BYU/Mormonism than just no alcohol and no loud parties. OMG.