+1. You can’t always put a value on things like better schools, a yard so your kids can scoot right out the backdoor, etc. If you can afford it and it makes your life better, good for you. |
Yeah I don’t know. I was underwater in 2008 and the subsequent years. It was terrible. Just the fact I couldn’t sell my property. I had to continue paying a mortgage for a property where I had negative equity. Even doing repairs or maintenance sucked since I knew if I were renting I would be so much better off. I couldn’t do a short sell or walk away because it would ruin my career which requires a credit check. I would have liked to move to another city but I couldn’t. When I finally could, I had to rent out my place and be a landlord which was a giant PIA. Even being 100k underwater is a noose around your neck. Would you suggest someone put down 0% on a house and then take out a home equity loan immediately after closing? Because that’s essentially what being 100k underwater is like. Sure, I more than recovered financially, eventually sold my property and I’m doing fine. But it was a lot of unnecessary stress that could have been avoided had I not bought a home during a home buying frenzy when market fundamentals didn’t make any sense. |
You are beating yourself up for not predicting the future? Hindsight is 20/20 100% of the time, foresight...not so much. And I'm glad you've more than recovered. That's exactly the point. Nobody said it would be pleasant or an experience somebody would want. But it did not end you. Here you are. |
Of course not. But do I think it’s a good idea for a first time home buyer to be escalating way over the listing price and getting involved in a bidding war right now? No. So much of the real estate activity in recent months seems emotional and based on FOMO. The market just doesn’t make any sense and the Fed has a giant MBS portfolio to unwind. No one knows what will happen, but I can’t help but think a first time home buyer should sit back and let the dust settle. |
Actually you can put a value on this. Plenty of people would choose to NOT be underwater on a home or significantly overpay for a yard for their kids. |
You are beating yourself up for not predicting the future? Hindsight is 20/20 100% of the time, foresight...not so much. And I'm glad you've more than recovered. That's exactly the point. Nobody said it would be pleasant or an experience somebody would want. But it did not end you. Here you are. Of course not. But do I think it’s a good idea for a first time home buyer to be escalating way over the listing price and getting involved in a bidding war right now? No. So much of the real estate activity in recent months seems emotional and based on FOMO. The market just doesn’t make any sense and the Fed has a giant MBS portfolio to unwind. No one knows what will happen, but I can’t help but think a first time home buyer should sit back and let the dust settle. So this very reasonable, somebody entering this market with nothing to sell us certainly at the biggest risk of winding up underwater. But nobody knows if that will happen and by how much. There is no sign of any major crash like what you experienced. |
Yes, but I qualified my post with “if you can afford it.” People on here have wildly different personal and financial situations. For example, some people move to school districts that have great special education services. It might be “worth it’” to overpay in the short term to get that benefit for your child. It’s not just about the brick and mortar house but about commute, schools, lifestyle, etc. |
| The most likely scenario for close-in desirable DC neighborhoods is that nominal prices may stagnate—not fall and certainly not crash—over the next few years. They will fall, however, in real terms. |
| Incidentally, comparisons with 2008 are of limited value. Back then, the root source of the shock was housing. Now, it is not. |
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If your DH’s start up fails what are his job prospects? I would assume a conservative amount for future income - if he had to find a new job. Underbuy.
And don’t buy an undesirable location/property. Those are first to lose value and the last to recover. But if you’re planning to be in the home for 5+ years and you underbuy a home without serious flaws you will be fine. |
But still not close to the last peak.
And, more importantly, not close to meeting demand. I have spoken. |
This post has a very big "let me look into my crystal ball" vibe. |
For most people buying $1m+ houses in the DMV, losing $100k does not mean being underwater. |
Yes understood. But losing 100k is losing 100k. |
Yes people in the DMV are at an even bigger risk, especially in the district which is experiencing a population loss and increasing crime. |