Mandatory vaccines for schools kids

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So many parents will be waiting to see what, if any, side effects happen to other people’s kids before they let their kids get the vaccine. California has a smarter approach.

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Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I’m a pretty progressive person and have never voted anything but democrat, and worked in a dem WH, and I agree with you. If you read the BBC it’s like being on another planet - their health officials have said parents may “choose” to vaccinate and no stigma should surround making the choice either way. Very reasonable. I’m a PP who will vaccinate but mandating vaccinating prior to the full approval and screaming down those who are hesitating is madness. It is one thing for adults where the risk is high. The UK won’t approve two doses because their many experts have concluded that the differential between risk doesn’t support it. It’s only when factoring in lack of school disruption as a benefit did even one dose get allowed. So those who want to mandate vaccinations are not following the science, they are 100 percent following the politics. And it scares a lot of people. Mandates - like students have to have measles vaccinations - or a veterinarian needs a rabies vax or a nurse needs a flu shot - don’t bother me, but it does bother me that so many would try to mandate something that’s still not fully approved.

I understand the policy opposition to mandating a vaccine for children before full approval, even if I don’t necessarily agree. But to assert that the pro-vaccination people are the illiberal ones screaming anyone else down is to ignore reality. Pro-vaccination people are not showing up en masse to heckle and intimidate school boards or to yell at parents and children outside of schools.

When I said illiberal, I was referring to public discourse on social media, which has a chilling effect even on experts in this country. That is different from localized, small scale protests (with whom I am not siding at all and which are despicable if they target private citizens), which don’t have much effect on public discourse or national decisions.

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The idea that experts are holding back for fear of mean tweets but that people physically shouting at and threatening others in person at schools and meetings all over the country doesn’t have an effect on public discourse is not a serious argument.

FFS

Vax your kid when you can, mask yourself and your kids, and spend time working on your and your kids mental health and not conspiracy theories

Who is saying anything about conspiracy theories? And how are you diagnosing mental health issues in either of these posters?

That poster doesn’t know what a conspiracy theory is. And she is engaging exactly and what I was talking about, only in the small, anonymous space of DCUM, where it doesn’t matter: trying to stifle politically incorrect opinions with ad hominem attacks and telling people to shut up. That’s not a conspiracy, it’s all happening publicly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many parents will be waiting to see what, if any, side effects happen to other people’s kids before they let their kids get the vaccine. California has a smarter approach.

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This message board is an echo chamber. A much higher percentage of parents will wait/not get their kids vaccinated than will. And no it won’t only be in red states. Many liberals will hesitate as well.

[Anonymous]

Here is an interesting article about the various approaches to pediatric Covid vaccination in Europe:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-children-ethics-science/amp/

Note that the discussion outlined here revolves around *allowing teenagers to choose* to get vaccinated, which some experts are hesitant to recommend, while here people get attacked for questioning *mandates* for even younger kids, which aren’t even on the table in other countries.

I will vaccinate my kids against Covid because I will always prefer a vaccine to an infection, but as an immigrant from Europe, I do think that the US discussion on this is nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:So many parents will be waiting to see what, if any, side effects happen to other people’s kids before they let their kids get the vaccine. California has a smarter approach.

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This message board is an echo chamber. A much higher percentage of parents will wait/not get their kids vaccinated than will. And no it won’t only be in red states. Many liberals will hesitate as well.

Yet most people who hesitate on their kids want all teachers to be vaccinated, pffft.

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Anonymous wrote:So many parents will be waiting to see what, if any, side effects happen to other people’s kids before they let their kids get the vaccine. California has a smarter approach.

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This message board is an echo chamber. A much higher percentage of parents will wait/not get their kids vaccinated than will. And no it won’t only be in red states. Many liberals will hesitate as well.

Yet most people who hesitate on their kids want all teachers to be vaccinated, pffft.

Well, as long as the parents are vaccinated themselves, there isn’t the double standard you are trying to imply. It’s a completely different issue when it comes to kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an interesting article about the various approaches to pediatric Covid vaccination in Europe:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-children-ethics-science/amp/

Note that the discussion outlined here revolves around *allowing teenagers to choose* to get vaccinated, which some experts are hesitant to recommend, while here people get attacked for questioning *mandates* for even younger kids, which aren’t even on the table in other countries.

I will vaccinate my kids against Covid because I will always prefer a vaccine to an infection, but as an immigrant from Europe, I do think that the US discussion on this is nuts.

Aren’t there violent protests in Italy, the UK and Australia?

[Anonymous]

Spent the day with three other families at the pumpkin patch. Everyone plans on vaccinating their kids as soon as we can. No one has any friends or other families who have hesistancy.

We all have someone w an under five kid where this vax round won’t improve their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an interesting article about the various approaches to pediatric Covid vaccination in Europe:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-children-ethics-science/amp/

Note that the discussion outlined here revolves around *allowing teenagers to choose* to get vaccinated, which some experts are hesitant to recommend, while here people get attacked for questioning *mandates* for even younger kids, which aren’t even on the table in other countries.

I will vaccinate my kids against Covid because I will always prefer a vaccine to an infection, but as an immigrant from Europe, I do think that the US discussion on this is nuts.

Aren’t there violent protests in Italy, the UK and Australia?

There are no violent protests over pediatric covid vaccines in Australia. You might want to check your information sources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Spent the day with three other families at the pumpkin patch. Everyone plans on vaccinating their kids as soon as we can. No one has any friends or other families who have hesistancy.

We all have someone w an under five kid where this vax round won’t improve their lives.

It’s cute that you are so blindly trusting. I also spent the day with a couple families from our kids’ school, and Incertainly contributed to the air that of course i will get our kids vaccinated as soon as it comes out. But no, no, i will not. But it’s none of their business and i recognize how politically controversial this all is so I just say things I expect fellow parents want to hear 🤷🏽‍♀️

[Anonymous]

I think the legislation is for 12 and over. I think we need to support. It is the only way to lose the masks by the fall and get back the field trips, school events and all that good stuff. The DC Council is currently placing further burdens on schools, and vaccines is really the only way out.

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i completely agree with the above pps who pointed out how illiberal and irrational the vaccine argument is in the US. I am an extremely hippie-ish, democratic, science-minded person, and whenever I try to have a conversation about the actual risk analysis of the vaccine for kids (for example, that for boys in the 12-15 age group, 1 in 10,000 of them got myocarditis -- heart inflammation, and that the risk of actually catching covid and then getting severely sick from it, in that age group, is closer to 1 in 1,000,000.), i am stared at like an anti-vaxxer. except for a few other uber rational friends -- we are stunned by the discussion here. people are so "open minded" that their brains fell out.

[Anonymous]

I completely agree with you but the fear around covid and children around here and the U.S. governments approach on endorsing the vaccine for 12-15 (as opposed to great Britain for example) makes the vaccine unavoidable. Scientifically speaking the myocardiosis is rare and treatable. Also parents fears of long term consequences with covid are not completely irrational either. The vaccines are the only way to return normalcy to the schools. Although better then a closed school, masks, keeping desks apart, not allowing kids to move around the classroom, no field trips, few substitute teachers - all of these have real impacts on the kids. The school testing is also mobilizing a lot of administrative resources (and the mandate has just been doubled). If we do not have a vaccine mandate the next school year may be adversely affected.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an interesting article about the various approaches to pediatric Covid vaccination in Europe:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-children-ethics-science/amp/

Note that the discussion outlined here revolves around *allowing teenagers to choose* to get vaccinated, which some experts are hesitant to recommend, while here people get attacked for questioning *mandates* for even younger kids, which aren’t even on the table in other countries.

I will vaccinate my kids against Covid because I will always prefer a vaccine to an infection, but as an immigrant from Europe, I do think that the US discussion on this is nuts.

Aren’t there violent protests in Italy, the UK and Australia?

There are no violent protests over pediatric covid vaccines in Australia. You might want to check your information sources.

They also aren’t even contemplating a mandate for kids.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is it will be unenforceable in public schools. Most kids will not get it this school year and DC will be unable to just kick them out without a virtual option which they clearly don’t have. Next school year, for sure.

Why do you think it wouldn't be enforceable in public school?

You cannot kick half of DC kids (the vast majority of which based on current vaccine rates will be low SES, POC, and otherwise at risk kids) without any alternate public school option. And you similarly cannot physically force an injection on someone. It’s common sense that this will not be enforceable this school year and even next year will be very difficult though they will have better odds

You do realize there are other vaccines that are required, right?