Mandatory vaccines for schools kids

[Anonymous]

There is a bill that is going to inevitably pass on October 24 based on current backing that will require all eligible kids (so this will include 5-11 as soon as FDA approves the EUA) to be vaccinated by mid-December. Everyone will need to send proof to schools starting December. This mandate will apply to all private, religious, public, charter and other schools. Thoughts?

DC would be a first to do this. California’s state-wide effort doesn’t go into effect until next year and seems to hinge on full approval not just EUA. Also, California has virtual options for all who don’t get vaccinated, which DC doesn’t have.

[Anonymous]

Great move. I fully support.

[Anonymous]

I'm good with it.

[Anonymous]

My guess is it will be unenforceable in public schools. Most kids will not get it this school year and DC will be unable to just kick them out without a virtual option which they clearly don’t have. Next school year, for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My guess is it will be unenforceable in public schools. Most kids will not get it this school year and DC will be unable to just kick them out without a virtual option which they clearly don’t have. Next school year, for sure.

Why do you think it wouldn't be enforceable in public school?

[Anonymous]

I think it's great, but I also hope that DC makes it easy for the children to get COVID shots. For example, if we have to rely on our disorganized pediatrician's office to make available for the shots, we'll be waiting a long time. And they'll charge us an extra $25 for the paperwork to prove it. Hoping for mass vaccination sites for the 5-11 set

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is it will be unenforceable in public schools. Most kids will not get it this school year and DC will be unable to just kick them out without a virtual option which they clearly don’t have. Next school year, for sure.

Why do you think it wouldn't be enforceable in public school?

You cannot kick half of DC kids (the vast majority of which based on current vaccine rates will be low SES, POC, and otherwise at risk kids) without any alternate public school option. And you similarly cannot physically force an injection on someone. It’s common sense that this will not be enforceable this school year and even next year will be very difficult though they will have better odds

[Anonymous]

Why inevitably, OP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's great, but I also hope that DC makes it easy for the children to get COVID shots. For example, if we have to rely on our disorganized pediatrician's office to make available for the shots, we'll be waiting a long time. And they'll charge us an extra $25 for the paperwork to prove it. Hoping for mass vaccination sites for the 5-11 set

They've already set up mass vax sites for the 12-17 year olds, or at least had them through the summer. I repeatedly checked on the waiting times for them at that time (based on people whining it was SO HARD to get vaccinated) and the waits were like 5 minutes or less. So it shouldn't be hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is it will be unenforceable in public schools. Most kids will not get it this school year and DC will be unable to just kick them out without a virtual option which they clearly don’t have. Next school year, for sure.

Why do you think it wouldn't be enforceable in public school?

You cannot kick half of DC kids (the vast majority of which based on current vaccine rates will be low SES, POC, and otherwise at risk kids) without any alternate public school option. And you similarly cannot physically force an injection on someone. It’s common sense that this will not be enforceable this school year and even next year will be very difficult though they will have better odds

LOL kids have to get vaccines to get into school. So indeed you can 'force' an injection on someone. (I support mandatory vaccines, btw)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's great, but I also hope that DC makes it easy for the children to get COVID shots. For example, if we have to rely on our disorganized pediatrician's office to make available for the shots, we'll be waiting a long time. And they'll charge us an extra $25 for the paperwork to prove it. Hoping for mass vaccination sites for the 5-11 set

They've already set up mass vax sites for the 12-17 year olds, or at least had them through the summer. I repeatedly checked on the waiting times for them at that time (based on people whining it was SO HARD to get vaccinated) and the waits were like 5 minutes or less. So it shouldn't be hard.

And yet you have a massive portion of the DC pop who has not been vaccinated and who are vocally against it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is it will be unenforceable in public schools. Most kids will not get it this school year and DC will be unable to just kick them out without a virtual option which they clearly don’t have. Next school year, for sure.

Why do you think it wouldn't be enforceable in public school?

You cannot kick half of DC kids (the vast majority of which based on current vaccine rates will be low SES, POC, and otherwise at risk kids) without any alternate public school option. And you similarly cannot physically force an injection on someone. It’s common sense that this will not be enforceable this school year and even next year will be very difficult though they will have better odds

LOL kids have to get vaccines to get into school. So indeed you can 'force' an injection on someone. (I support mandatory vaccines, btw)

They are fully approved. There is a big difference. The FDA EXPLICITLY said that neither safety nor efficacy has been established for the 12-17 vaccines (EUA). The same will be true for 5-11. Also, people go into a school year knowing that - you can pull and homeschool, go virtual at Friendship, or move to another state. You do not have at least the first two options and the third is likely impractical at a drop of a hat in the middle of the school year. You cannot just deprive a RIGHT without reasonable notice and ability to take other options. This is exactly why California conditioned their state wide requirement on full approval and made it only to start next school year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is it will be unenforceable in public schools. Most kids will not get it this school year and DC will be unable to just kick them out without a virtual option which they clearly don’t have. Next school year, for sure.

Why do you think it wouldn't be enforceable in public school?

You cannot kick half of DC kids (the vast majority of which based on current vaccine rates will be low SES, POC, and otherwise at risk kids) without any alternate public school option. And you similarly cannot physically force an injection on someone. It’s common sense that this will not be enforceable this school year and even next year will be very difficult though they will have better odds

LOL kids have to get vaccines to get into school. So indeed you can 'force' an injection on someone. (I support mandatory vaccines, btw)

They are fully approved. There is a big difference. The FDA EXPLICITLY said that neither safety nor efficacy has been established for the 12-17 vaccines (EUA). The same will be true for 5-11. Also, people go into a school year knowing that - you can pull and homeschool, go virtual at Friendship, or move to another state. You do not have at least the first two options and the third is likely impractical at a drop of a hat in the middle of the school year. You cannot just deprive a RIGHT without reasonable notice and ability to take other options. This is exactly why California conditioned their state wide requirement on full approval and made it only to start next school year

Sorry I meant 12-15. Safety and efficacy have been established for 16-17 and vaccines should absolutely be required for them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's great, but I also hope that DC makes it easy for the children to get COVID shots. For example, if we have to rely on our disorganized pediatrician's office to make available for the shots, we'll be waiting a long time. And they'll charge us an extra $25 for the paperwork to prove it. Hoping for mass vaccination sites for the 5-11 set

They've already set up mass vax sites for the 12-17 year olds, or at least had them through the summer. I repeatedly checked on the waiting times for them at that time (based on people whining it was SO HARD to get vaccinated) and the waits were like 5 minutes or less. So it shouldn't be hard.

And yet you have a massive portion of the DC pop who has not been vaccinated and who are vocally against it

Years ago DCPS shifted to more stringent enforcement of vaccination mandates; they set a date by which students had to have all required vaccinations or they couldn’t attend school and set up vaccination clinics. It worked; kids got vaccinated so they could attend school. They can do that again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is it will be unenforceable in public schools. Most kids will not get it this school year and DC will be unable to just kick them out without a virtual option which they clearly don’t have. Next school year, for sure.

Why do you think it wouldn't be enforceable in public school?

You cannot kick half of DC kids (the vast majority of which based on current vaccine rates will be low SES, POC, and otherwise at risk kids) without any alternate public school option. And you similarly cannot physically force an injection on someone. It’s common sense that this will not be enforceable this school year and even next year will be very difficult though they will have better odds

LOL kids have to get vaccines to get into school. So indeed you can 'force' an injection on someone. (I support mandatory vaccines, btw)

They are fully approved. There is a big difference. The FDA EXPLICITLY said that neither safety nor efficacy has been established for the 12-17 vaccines (EUA). The same will be true for 5-11. Also, people go into a school year knowing that - you can pull and homeschool, go virtual at Friendship, or move to another state. You do not have at least the first two options and the third is likely impractical at a drop of a hat in the middle of the school year. You cannot just deprive a RIGHT without reasonable notice and ability to take other options. This is exactly why California conditioned their state wide requirement on full approval and made it only to start next school year

California's approach makes sense.