Mandatory vaccines for schools kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you won’t vax your kid please stay the f away from mine

So happy our school community is full of vaxxers and 100% of the people who spend time w (all outside now) plan to vax as soon as possible. Four kids might be as they were part of the trial. Two of this kids has a doctor parent.

If you are not a scientist please save your “I want to see the science” first. If you believed in science you would spew the BS about education you do.

With and attitude like that probably 1/2 the people are lying to you.

[Anonymous]

If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait for the inevitable push to allow kids to stay home forever but not have to get vaccinated. Because safety.

I highly doubt there is much overlap between those groups. Many of the people clamoring for virtual are making the argument that we need to wait for the vaccine. Those who are against an immediate mandate are the ones who don’t think Covid is particularly dangerous for kids.

[Anonymous]

This is going to go like the send our kids back to school protest. DCUM whiners will say they are thousands and a diverse group of people. Then the proof will be handful of white ward 3 moms.

I suspect we will see some bipoc families but parents will accept the vaccine.

Just like all those folks say never to the vaxx but then when their job said then you are quitting and lose your pension and/or unemp benefits they get jabbed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I totally agree with this. IMO, this pandemic is going be the complete (though as everything political typically is - temporary) downturn of the far left. As much as Trump pushed people to the left, this pandemic and the response in the US has pushed people to the right. There is no way a Republican doesn’t win in 2024 (unless the party is stupid enough to back Trump).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I totally agree with this. IMO, this pandemic is going be the complete (though as everything political typically is - temporary) downturn of the far left. As much as Trump pushed people to the left, this pandemic and the response in the US has pushed people to the right. There is no way a Republican doesn’t win in 2024 (unless the party is stupid enough to back Trump).

Of course they nominate him again. Who else? And look for him again in 2028..hard to see him going away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I’m a pretty progressive person and have never voted anything but democrat, and worked in a dem WH, and I agree with you. If you read the BBC it’s like being on another planet - their health officials have said parents may “choose” to vaccinate and no stigma should surround making the choice either way. Very reasonable. I’m a PP who will vaccinate but mandating vaccinating prior to the full approval and screaming down those who are hesitating is madness. It is one thing for adults where the risk is high. The UK won’t approve two doses because their many experts have concluded that the differential between risk doesn’t support it. It’s only when factoring in lack of school disruption as a benefit did even one dose get allowed. So those who want to mandate vaccinations are not following the science, they are 100 percent following the politics. And it scares a lot of people. Mandates - like students have to have measles vaccinations - or a veterinarian needs a rabies vax or a nurse needs a flu shot - don’t bother me, but it does bother me that so many would try to mandate something that’s still not fully approved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I’m a pretty progressive person and have never voted anything but democrat, and worked in a dem WH, and I agree with you. If you read the BBC it’s like being on another planet - their health officials have said parents may “choose” to vaccinate and no stigma should surround making the choice either way. Very reasonable. I’m a PP who will vaccinate but mandating vaccinating prior to the full approval and screaming down those who are hesitating is madness. It is one thing for adults where the risk is high. The UK won’t approve two doses because their many experts have concluded that the differential between risk doesn’t support it. It’s only when factoring in lack of school disruption as a benefit did even one dose get allowed. So those who want to mandate vaccinations are not following the science, they are 100 percent following the politics. And it scares a lot of people. Mandates - like students have to have measles vaccinations - or a veterinarian needs a rabies vax or a nurse needs a flu shot - don’t bother me, but it does bother me that so many would try to mandate something that’s still not fully approved.

I understand the policy opposition to mandating a vaccine for children before full approval, even if I don’t necessarily agree. But to assert that the pro-vaccination people are the illiberal ones screaming anyone else down is to ignore reality. Pro-vaccination people are not showing up en masse to heckle and intimidate school boards or to yell at parents and children outside of schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I’m a pretty progressive person and have never voted anything but democrat, and worked in a dem WH, and I agree with you. If you read the BBC it’s like being on another planet - their health officials have said parents may “choose” to vaccinate and no stigma should surround making the choice either way. Very reasonable. I’m a PP who will vaccinate but mandating vaccinating prior to the full approval and screaming down those who are hesitating is madness. It is one thing for adults where the risk is high. The UK won’t approve two doses because their many experts have concluded that the differential between risk doesn’t support it. It’s only when factoring in lack of school disruption as a benefit did even one dose get allowed. So those who want to mandate vaccinations are not following the science, they are 100 percent following the politics. And it scares a lot of people. Mandates - like students have to have measles vaccinations - or a veterinarian needs a rabies vax or a nurse needs a flu shot - don’t bother me, but it does bother me that so many would try to mandate something that’s still not fully approved.

So you aren’t a scientist but a progressive?

My family is in Britain w two kids home sick w covid. Kids get covid. Kids are in ICUs w covid. Everything in the UK isn’t all hunky dory. They do vax w out drama there (16 and up now).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait for the inevitable push to allow kids to stay home forever but not have to get vaccinated. Because safety.

I highly doubt there is much overlap between those groups. Many of the people clamoring for virtual are making the argument that we need to wait for the vaccine. Those who are against an immediate mandate are the ones who don’t think Covid is particularly dangerous for kids.

No, they are going to get their kids vaccinated, and, like a select, small group of teachers, say it still isn't safe post-vaccination because....reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I’m a pretty progressive person and have never voted anything but democrat, and worked in a dem WH, and I agree with you. If you read the BBC it’s like being on another planet - their health officials have said parents may “choose” to vaccinate and no stigma should surround making the choice either way. Very reasonable. I’m a PP who will vaccinate but mandating vaccinating prior to the full approval and screaming down those who are hesitating is madness. It is one thing for adults where the risk is high. The UK won’t approve two doses because their many experts have concluded that the differential between risk doesn’t support it. It’s only when factoring in lack of school disruption as a benefit did even one dose get allowed. So those who want to mandate vaccinations are not following the science, they are 100 percent following the politics. And it scares a lot of people. Mandates - like students have to have measles vaccinations - or a veterinarian needs a rabies vax or a nurse needs a flu shot - don’t bother me, but it does bother me that so many would try to mandate something that’s still not fully approved.

I understand the policy opposition to mandating a vaccine for children before full approval, even if I don’t necessarily agree. But to assert that the pro-vaccination people are the illiberal ones screaming anyone else down is to ignore reality. Pro-vaccination people are not showing up en masse to heckle and intimidate school boards or to yell at parents and children outside of schools.

When I said illiberal, I was referring to public discourse on social media, which has a chilling effect even on experts in this country. That is different from localized, small scale protests (with whom I am not siding at all and which are despicable if they target private citizens), which don’t have much effect on public discourse or national decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I’m a pretty progressive person and have never voted anything but democrat, and worked in a dem WH, and I agree with you. If you read the BBC it’s like being on another planet - their health officials have said parents may “choose” to vaccinate and no stigma should surround making the choice either way. Very reasonable. I’m a PP who will vaccinate but mandating vaccinating prior to the full approval and screaming down those who are hesitating is madness. It is one thing for adults where the risk is high. The UK won’t approve two doses because their many experts have concluded that the differential between risk doesn’t support it. It’s only when factoring in lack of school disruption as a benefit did even one dose get allowed. So those who want to mandate vaccinations are not following the science, they are 100 percent following the politics. And it scares a lot of people. Mandates - like students have to have measles vaccinations - or a veterinarian needs a rabies vax or a nurse needs a flu shot - don’t bother me, but it does bother me that so many would try to mandate something that’s still not fully approved.

I understand the policy opposition to mandating a vaccine for children before full approval, even if I don’t necessarily agree. But to assert that the pro-vaccination people are the illiberal ones screaming anyone else down is to ignore reality. Pro-vaccination people are not showing up en masse to heckle and intimidate school boards or to yell at parents and children outside of schools.

When I said illiberal, I was referring to public discourse on social media, which has a chilling effect even on experts in this country. That is different from localized, small scale protests (with whom I am not siding at all and which are despicable if they target private citizens), which don’t have much effect on public discourse or national decisions.

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The idea that experts are holding back for fear of mean tweets but that people physically shouting at and threatening others in person at schools and meetings all over the country doesn’t have an effect on public discourse is not a serious argument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I’m a pretty progressive person and have never voted anything but democrat, and worked in a dem WH, and I agree with you. If you read the BBC it’s like being on another planet - their health officials have said parents may “choose” to vaccinate and no stigma should surround making the choice either way. Very reasonable. I’m a PP who will vaccinate but mandating vaccinating prior to the full approval and screaming down those who are hesitating is madness. It is one thing for adults where the risk is high. The UK won’t approve two doses because their many experts have concluded that the differential between risk doesn’t support it. It’s only when factoring in lack of school disruption as a benefit did even one dose get allowed. So those who want to mandate vaccinations are not following the science, they are 100 percent following the politics. And it scares a lot of people. Mandates - like students have to have measles vaccinations - or a veterinarian needs a rabies vax or a nurse needs a flu shot - don’t bother me, but it does bother me that so many would try to mandate something that’s still not fully approved.

I understand the policy opposition to mandating a vaccine for children before full approval, even if I don’t necessarily agree. But to assert that the pro-vaccination people are the illiberal ones screaming anyone else down is to ignore reality. Pro-vaccination people are not showing up en masse to heckle and intimidate school boards or to yell at parents and children outside of schools.

When I said illiberal, I was referring to public discourse on social media, which has a chilling effect even on experts in this country. That is different from localized, small scale protests (with whom I am not siding at all and which are despicable if they target private citizens), which don’t have much effect on public discourse or national decisions.

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The idea that experts are holding back for fear of mean tweets but that people physically shouting at and threatening others in person at schools and meetings all over the country doesn’t have an effect on public discourse is not a serious argument.

Yes it is. Do you remember the recent thread on the health forum here (which I believe was deleted), linking a tweet by a doctor denigrating another doctor, Vinay Prasad, as someone who shouldn’t be listened to, and which even called on his employer, UCSF, to “shut that kid down”? If you think that kind of public pillorying (not here on DCUM but on Twitter) doesn’t have a chilling effect on a lot of experts, making them hesitant to voice any views that go against the current Covid dogma, I don’t know what to tell you. It’s not just fear of Twitter, it’s also the fear of the potential for professional repercussions.

The recent NYT article on the international discussion about the one-dose approach for kids acknowledged that experts in the US are afraid of voicing any skepticism about universal pediatric Covid vaccinations.

The protesters who are harassing school boards may have an impact locally, but they are not stifling academic or journalistic discourse.

Or what is your explanation for why expert and public discourse on this is so uniform and radically different from all other countries?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I’m a pretty progressive person and have never voted anything but democrat, and worked in a dem WH, and I agree with you. If you read the BBC it’s like being on another planet - their health officials have said parents may “choose” to vaccinate and no stigma should surround making the choice either way. Very reasonable. I’m a PP who will vaccinate but mandating vaccinating prior to the full approval and screaming down those who are hesitating is madness. It is one thing for adults where the risk is high. The UK won’t approve two doses because their many experts have concluded that the differential between risk doesn’t support it. It’s only when factoring in lack of school disruption as a benefit did even one dose get allowed. So those who want to mandate vaccinations are not following the science, they are 100 percent following the politics. And it scares a lot of people. Mandates - like students have to have measles vaccinations - or a veterinarian needs a rabies vax or a nurse needs a flu shot - don’t bother me, but it does bother me that so many would try to mandate something that’s still not fully approved.

I understand the policy opposition to mandating a vaccine for children before full approval, even if I don’t necessarily agree. But to assert that the pro-vaccination people are the illiberal ones screaming anyone else down is to ignore reality. Pro-vaccination people are not showing up en masse to heckle and intimidate school boards or to yell at parents and children outside of schools.

When I said illiberal, I was referring to public discourse on social media, which has a chilling effect even on experts in this country. That is different from localized, small scale protests (with whom I am not siding at all and which are despicable if they target private citizens), which don’t have much effect on public discourse or national decisions.

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The idea that experts are holding back for fear of mean tweets but that people physically shouting at and threatening others in person at schools and meetings all over the country doesn’t have an effect on public discourse is not a serious argument.

FFS

Vax your kid when you can, mask yourself and your kids, and spend time working on your and your kids mental health and not conspiracy theories

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you followed this discussion in the news of European countries, you would hear all about experts saying how difficult this decision will be for parents once the vaccine is approved for the under 12 year olds, given that age group’s extremely low risk from the virus. Here in the US, Covid is so politicized that we are unable to have an honest discussion about the cost-benefit calculation for various age groups.

Our national discourse about this has become completely illiberal, and any disagreement is shouted down with accusations and insults. That this goes so far that even people who question the ethics of mandating a vaccine for kids that is still under EUA are attacked as anti-vaxxers shows how far off the deep end this country has gone.

It’s a repeat of the way the discussion about school opening went.

I’m a pretty progressive person and have never voted anything but democrat, and worked in a dem WH, and I agree with you. If you read the BBC it’s like being on another planet - their health officials have said parents may “choose” to vaccinate and no stigma should surround making the choice either way. Very reasonable. I’m a PP who will vaccinate but mandating vaccinating prior to the full approval and screaming down those who are hesitating is madness. It is one thing for adults where the risk is high. The UK won’t approve two doses because their many experts have concluded that the differential between risk doesn’t support it. It’s only when factoring in lack of school disruption as a benefit did even one dose get allowed. So those who want to mandate vaccinations are not following the science, they are 100 percent following the politics. And it scares a lot of people. Mandates - like students have to have measles vaccinations - or a veterinarian needs a rabies vax or a nurse needs a flu shot - don’t bother me, but it does bother me that so many would try to mandate something that’s still not fully approved.

I understand the policy opposition to mandating a vaccine for children before full approval, even if I don’t necessarily agree. But to assert that the pro-vaccination people are the illiberal ones screaming anyone else down is to ignore reality. Pro-vaccination people are not showing up en masse to heckle and intimidate school boards or to yell at parents and children outside of schools.

When I said illiberal, I was referring to public discourse on social media, which has a chilling effect even on experts in this country. That is different from localized, small scale protests (with whom I am not siding at all and which are despicable if they target private citizens), which don’t have much effect on public discourse or national decisions.

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The idea that experts are holding back for fear of mean tweets but that people physically shouting at and threatening others in person at schools and meetings all over the country doesn’t have an effect on public discourse is not a serious argument.

FFS

Vax your kid when you can, mask yourself and your kids, and spend time working on your and your kids mental health and not conspiracy theories

Who is saying anything about conspiracy theories? And how are you diagnosing mental health issues in either of these posters?