Another massive sexual abuse scandal

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Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church is a cult that systematically abuses children and pays to cover it up.

Shame on all practicing Catholics. Shame on you.

DH was raised Catholic, and he calls it a cult. Loathes it, and thinks all should quit the church because of it's association with and history of child abuse. A sick, sick underbelly to that religion.

There are more than 1.3 billion (with a “b”) Catholics in the world. You think they’re responsible for the predations of a comparatively few perverts and the acts and/or omissions of bad administrators? That’s like saying the Chinese people are responsible for the evils of Communism, or the Cambodians for the evils of Pol Pot. The vast majority of those 1.3 billion people, although sinners, are doing their best to find their way through this life and into what they hope will be eternal life according to a belief system in which they find solace and hope. Those 1.3 billion people perform untold hidden works of charity. The “Church” isn’t the administrative entity — that entity exists to serve (sometimes very poorly) the needs of those 1.3 billion people.

How dare PP “shame” 1.3 billion fellow people doing the best they can! How dare the other PP deride as a “cult” a two-millennia old belief system the fundamental tenets of which are love and self-giving! Neither PP would dare criticize other belief systems that treat child rape, particularly of girls, as normal. At least the Catholics admit it is a sin. Complain all you want about the management, but you have no right to attack the 1.3 billion regular believers who are as much victims as anyone else of these scandals.

What’s a few million destroyed children because of all the other stuff we did and BTW this was covered up AT THE VERY TOP OF THE CHURCH! Pope after Pope allowed this! Your local priest knew this was a thing but shrugged his shoulders and arranged the pancake dinner. In any other org the “good” ones would have gathered and protested and called for a stop to it but they just let it go. Do all the mental gymnastics you want but it is wrong to support the Catholic Church in any way. It ‘ain’t the only church.

And again, you fail or refuse to recognize the distinction between the body of believers, who have been harmed financially, morally and otherwise, and the perverts and bad managers who allowed the harm to occur. Your “knowledge” of ecclesiology is obviously pitiful, but not as pitiful as your understanding of Catholic theology. For Catholics, the Catholic Church in fact IS the “only church.” Their belief system obliges them to accept a hierarchical structure, but it certainly does not render them responsible for the misdeeds of a few who manifestly acted in violation of Church moral teaching, and more than the Iraqis were responsible for Saddam, the Chinese people for Mao or the Cambodian people for Pol Pot. The “VERY TOP OF THE CHURCH” is a rarified zone that is supposed to serve the believers; its sins are not theirs. You haven’t got the slightest idea what any priest knew or didn’t know about any case of alleged abuse. The ones I’ve known were as scandalized as any layman.

You like the ritual? the turning of the wafer into the body and blood of Jesus? The wonderful feeling of belonging to the church that Jesus himself started (according to the legend).

Fine, stay on and hope your kid isn't next.

First, it’s not a “wafer,” it is a “host,” or an “oblatum,” each referencing something destined for sacrifice. Second, while liturgical ritual is important and a feeling of belonging to a community is helpful, neither is of the essence of being Catholic. Catholicism is a way of relating to and understanding God, insofar as Hod can be known and understood by mortal reason. As for my own child, the likelihood of abuse is and always has been negligible. The vast majority of alleged victims claiming to have been exploited by mentally ill degenerates in the Church (or elsewhere) come from broken families, are seeking relationships they should be able to get elsewhere, and not infrequently mentally ill themselves. None of those things apply to me or my family. It is hugely uncharitable to wish evil on an innocent person because you disagree with their family’s religious values, beliefs and practices.

Awesome job blaming the victims here, PP. Well done.

[Speaking of mental illness…]

Awesome job ignoring the substance of the post and framing it to fit your agenda. Well done. [Speaking of projection . . ..]

You are quite the ambassador for Holy Mother Church.

Ad hominem attack and rank sarcasm. How persuasive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church is a cult that systematically abuses children and pays to cover it up.

Shame on all practicing Catholics. Shame on you.

DH was raised Catholic, and he calls it a cult. Loathes it, and thinks all should quit the church because of it's association with and history of child abuse. A sick, sick underbelly to that religion.

There are more than 1.3 billion (with a “b”) Catholics in the world. You think they’re responsible for the predations of a comparatively few perverts and the acts and/or omissions of bad administrators? That’s like saying the Chinese people are responsible for the evils of Communism, or the Cambodians for the evils of Pol Pot. The vast majority of those 1.3 billion people, although sinners, are doing their best to find their way through this life and into what they hope will be eternal life according to a belief system in which they find solace and hope. Those 1.3 billion people perform untold hidden works of charity. The “Church” isn’t the administrative entity — that entity exists to serve (sometimes very poorly) the needs of those 1.3 billion people.

How dare PP “shame” 1.3 billion fellow people doing the best they can! How dare the other PP deride as a “cult” a two-millennia old belief system the fundamental tenets of which are love and self-giving! Neither PP would dare criticize other belief systems that treat child rape, particularly of girls, as normal. At least the Catholics admit it is a sin. Complain all you want about the management, but you have no right to attack the 1.3 billion regular believers who are as much victims as anyone else of these scandals.

What’s a few million destroyed children because of all the other stuff we did and BTW this was covered up AT THE VERY TOP OF THE CHURCH! Pope after Pope allowed this! Your local priest knew this was a thing but shrugged his shoulders and arranged the pancake dinner. In any other org the “good” ones would have gathered and protested and called for a stop to it but they just let it go. Do all the mental gymnastics you want but it is wrong to support the Catholic Church in any way. It ‘ain’t the only church.

And again, you fail or refuse to recognize the distinction between the body of believers, who have been harmed financially, morally and otherwise, and the perverts and bad managers who allowed the harm to occur. Your “knowledge” of ecclesiology is obviously pitiful, but not as pitiful as your understanding of Catholic theology. For Catholics, the Catholic Church in fact IS the “only church.” Their belief system obliges them to accept a hierarchical structure, but it certainly does not render them responsible for the misdeeds of a few who manifestly acted in violation of Church moral teaching, and more than the Iraqis were responsible for Saddam, the Chinese people for Mao or the Cambodian people for Pol Pot. The “VERY TOP OF THE CHURCH” is a rarified zone that is supposed to serve the believers; its sins are not theirs. You haven’t got the slightest idea what any priest knew or didn’t know about any case of alleged abuse. The ones I’ve known were as scandalized as any layman.

but they devoutly stayed.

Meanwhile, many Catholics have left in disgust -- according to your reasoning, they would be the bad guys.

Good, bad or indifferent, apostasy is never spiritually advantageous for the individual. Whatever those people think they are “disgusted with,” it is not the Catholic Church, which Catholics believe is founded on Christ himself. There are people who abandon the Church because their own feelings are hurt or something bad happened to them. That’s understandable but unfortunate. It is the spiritual equivalent of suffocating oneself to avoid something that smells bad. Many more people who purport to leave the Church “in disgust” actually are reacting to their own self-hatred at their inability to live according to Church teaching, which they frequently misunderstand and/or deny instead of seeking pardon and trying again when they fail.

No Catholic can ever “leave in disgust” in any event. They can become inactive, they can become apostate, they can embrace heresy, but fundamental Catholic teaching remains that once an individual is incorporated into the Church by baptism they cannot be removed. People who posit that Church “membership” is no more than a preference akin to liking one fast food restaurant over another are fundamentally ignorant and promoting indifferentism, which is no faith at all.

The Catholic church will take back apostates at any time. Actually, though you may not know it, you never actually left the church, you just stopped going to mass and tithing. According to the Church, it doesn't matter what you do, you are part of the Church FOREVER - from the day your parents had you baptized as a infant. You've been Catholic since before you could speak or control your bowels.

What differs is your destination in the afterlife. If you disavow the Church or stop attending, you will go to hell. If you make your Easter duty every year, attend mass and go to confession you will go to heaven, as long as you are in a state of grace when you die. It's a pretty good deal, because between confessions, you can sin as much as you want.

So the Catholic church is a gang you get jumped into as a baby but you can never be jumped out of. Nothing culty about that at all.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church is a cult that systematically abuses children and pays to cover it up.

Shame on all practicing Catholics. Shame on you.

DH was raised Catholic, and he calls it a cult. Loathes it, and thinks all should quit the church because of it's association with and history of child abuse. A sick, sick underbelly to that religion.

There are more than 1.3 billion (with a “b”) Catholics in the world. You think they’re responsible for the predations of a comparatively few perverts and the acts and/or omissions of bad administrators? That’s like saying the Chinese people are responsible for the evils of Communism, or the Cambodians for the evils of Pol Pot. The vast majority of those 1.3 billion people, although sinners, are doing their best to find their way through this life and into what they hope will be eternal life according to a belief system in which they find solace and hope. Those 1.3 billion people perform untold hidden works of charity. The “Church” isn’t the administrative entity — that entity exists to serve (sometimes very poorly) the needs of those 1.3 billion people.

How dare PP “shame” 1.3 billion fellow people doing the best they can! How dare the other PP deride as a “cult” a two-millennia old belief system the fundamental tenets of which are love and self-giving! Neither PP would dare criticize other belief systems that treat child rape, particularly of girls, as normal. At least the Catholics admit it is a sin. Complain all you want about the management, but you have no right to attack the 1.3 billion regular believers who are as much victims as anyone else of these scandals.

What’s a few million destroyed children because of all the other stuff we did and BTW this was covered up AT THE VERY TOP OF THE CHURCH! Pope after Pope allowed this! Your local priest knew this was a thing but shrugged his shoulders and arranged the pancake dinner. In any other org the “good” ones would have gathered and protested and called for a stop to it but they just let it go. Do all the mental gymnastics you want but it is wrong to support the Catholic Church in any way. It ‘ain’t the only church.

And again, you fail or refuse to recognize the distinction between the body of believers, who have been harmed financially, morally and otherwise, and the perverts and bad managers who allowed the harm to occur. Your “knowledge” of ecclesiology is obviously pitiful, but not as pitiful as your understanding of Catholic theology. For Catholics, the Catholic Church in fact IS the “only church.” Their belief system obliges them to accept a hierarchical structure, but it certainly does not render them responsible for the misdeeds of a few who manifestly acted in violation of Church moral teaching, and more than the Iraqis were responsible for Saddam, the Chinese people for Mao or the Cambodian people for Pol Pot. The “VERY TOP OF THE CHURCH” is a rarified zone that is supposed to serve the believers; its sins are not theirs. You haven’t got the slightest idea what any priest knew or didn’t know about any case of alleged abuse. The ones I’ve known were as scandalized as any layman.

but they devoutly stayed.

Meanwhile, many Catholics have left in disgust -- according to your reasoning, they would be the bad guys.

Good, bad or indifferent, apostasy is never spiritually advantageous for the individual. Whatever those people think they are “disgusted with,” it is not the Catholic Church, which Catholics believe is founded on Christ himself. There are people who abandon the Church because their own feelings are hurt or something bad happened to them. That’s understandable but unfortunate. It is the spiritual equivalent of suffocating oneself to avoid something that smells bad. Many more people who purport to leave the Church “in disgust” actually are reacting to their own self-hatred at their inability to live according to Church teaching, which they frequently misunderstand and/or deny instead of seeking pardon and trying again when they fail.

No Catholic can ever “leave in disgust” in any event. They can become inactive, they can become apostate, they can embrace heresy, but fundamental Catholic teaching remains that once an individual is incorporated into the Church by baptism they cannot be removed. People who posit that Church “membership” is no more than a preference akin to liking one fast food restaurant over another are fundamentally ignorant and promoting indifferentism, which is no faith at all.

The Catholic church will take back apostates at any time. Actually, though you may not know it, you never actually left the church, you just stopped going to mass and tithing. According to the Church, it doesn't matter what you do, you are part of the Church FOREVER - from the day your parents had you baptized as a infant. You've been Catholic since before you could speak or control your bowels.

What differs is your destination in the afterlife. If you disavow the Church or stop attending, you will go to hell. If you make your Easter duty every year, attend mass and go to confession you will go to heaven, as long as you are in a state of grace when you die. It's a pretty good deal, because between confessions, you can sin as much as you want.

So the Catholic church is a gang you get jumped into as a baby but you can never be jumped out of. Nothing culty about that at all.

You can jump out on your own -- many people do. But in the eyes of the Vatican, you are still Catholic. You are counted among the world's Catholics. It boosts their numbers, if nothing else.

[Anonymous]

Middle class educated Catholics make up the largest portion of Trump supporters.

As usual, Catholics thinking they can control others.

So over their garbage behaviors. Trump Trains screaming, go after kids wearing masks screaming?

Tell me again how good god-fearing Catholics think their behavior is Christian? Not to mention child abuse over and over again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Middle class educated Catholics make up the largest portion of Trump supporters.

As usual, Catholics thinking they can control others.

So over their garbage behaviors. Trump Trains screaming, go after kids wearing masks screaming?

Tell me again how good god-fearing Catholics think their behavior is Christian? Not to mention child abuse over and over again.

On the Trump point, do you have a source? Catholics split almost evenly with a slight edge to Biden in the 2020 election (52/47) and Protestant/Other Christian went 60/39 to Trump. I wonder what the race breakdown looks like, but it's reasonable to guess that white protestants went even more heavily to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/

Main point being, US Catholics are hardly monolithically Republican, although some people do believe this. If you randomly pick a Catholic out of the bin they are as likely to support Biden as Trump. Of course the fact that any Christian could vote for Trump bogles the mind.

Also not clear where you get the idea that Catholics are disproportionately anti-mask.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Middle class educated Catholics make up the largest portion of Trump supporters.

As usual, Catholics thinking they can control others.

So over their garbage behaviors. Trump Trains screaming, go after kids wearing masks screaming?

Tell me again how good god-fearing Catholics think their behavior is Christian? Not to mention child abuse over and over again.

On the Trump point, do you have a source? Catholics split almost evenly with a slight edge to Biden in the 2020 election (52/47) and Protestant/Other Christian went 60/39 to Trump. I wonder what the race breakdown looks like, but it's reasonable to guess that white protestants went even more heavily to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/

Main point being, US Catholics are hardly monolithically Republican, although some people do believe this. If you randomly pick a Catholic out of the bin they are as likely to support Biden as Trump. Of course the fact that any Christian could vote for Trump bogles the mind.

Also not clear where you get the idea that Catholics are disproportionately anti-mask.

Who appointed you to judge the lives, private religious beliefs and interior lives of over a billion people? Where is your outrage at groups who think marriage between a middle aged man and a 14 year old girl is normal and acceptable? Where is your outrage about FGM? Where is your outrage about the millions of girls all over the world aborted just for being girls.

Face it. You don’t like what you perceive to be the Catholic Church because it’s beliefs (to the very limited extent you understand them) make you uncomfortable. Something inside you (you can call it natural law) realizes that the Church is right, and you can’t tolerate subjecting yourself to self-examination and being confronted with the probability that many beliefs you hold are objectively wrong and in some cases evil. Further, what authority do you have to judge the Catholic Church? Are you Catholic? Do you claim to be a victim of abuse? If not, what’s it to you what the Church doesn’t do? Why is one group of alleged victims grounds to vilify the Church while you ignore other classes of proven victims without a thought. The vast majority of persons who attack the Church for alleged abuse really don’t care about the abuse or its victims. They want to deprive the Church of its moral authority, to get rid of that nagging sense that the way they live their life is inconsistent with who they were created to be. What they can’t change is that the Church’s moral authority doesn’t come from the Popes, or the bishops, or the priests, or the religious. It comes from God (if you’re inclined to believe in one) and/or from the two millennia of thought, prayer, meditation, analysis, discussion and debate of Catholic philosophers and theologians. By what authority, even human authority, do you claim the right to dispute such brilliant minds, especially when you have not even studied their teachings to know how they arrived at their conclusions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle class educated Catholics make up the largest portion of Trump supporters.

As usual, Catholics thinking they can control others.

So over their garbage behaviors. Trump Trains screaming, go after kids wearing masks screaming?

Tell me again how good god-fearing Catholics think their behavior is Christian? Not to mention child abuse over and over again.

On the Trump point, do you have a source? Catholics split almost evenly with a slight edge to Biden in the 2020 election (52/47) and Protestant/Other Christian went 60/39 to Trump. I wonder what the race breakdown looks like, but it's reasonable to guess that white protestants went even more heavily to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/

Main point being, US Catholics are hardly monolithically Republican, although some people do believe this. If you randomly pick a Catholic out of the bin they are as likely to support Biden as Trump. Of course the fact that any Christian could vote for Trump bogles the mind.

Also not clear where you get the idea that Catholics are disproportionately anti-mask.

Who appointed you to judge the lives, private religious beliefs and interior lives of over a billion people? Where is your outrage at groups who think marriage between a middle aged man and a 14 year old girl is normal and acceptable? Where is your outrage about FGM? Where is your outrage about the millions of girls all over the world aborted just for being girls.

Face it. You don’t like what you perceive to be the Catholic Church because it’s beliefs (to the very limited extent you understand them) make you uncomfortable. Something inside you (you can call it natural law) realizes that the Church is right, and you can’t tolerate subjecting yourself to self-examination and being confronted with the probability that many beliefs you hold are objectively wrong and in some cases evil. Further, what authority do you have to judge the Catholic Church? Are you Catholic? Do you claim to be a victim of abuse? If not, what’s it to you what the Church doesn’t do? Why is one group of alleged victims grounds to vilify the Church while you ignore other classes of proven victims without a thought. The vast majority of persons who attack the Church for alleged abuse really don’t care about the abuse or its victims. They want to deprive the Church of its moral authority, to get rid of that nagging sense that the way they live their life is inconsistent with who they were created to be. What they can’t change is that the Church’s moral authority doesn’t come from the Popes, or the bishops, or the priests, or the religious. It comes from God (if you’re inclined to believe in one) and/or from the two millennia of thought, prayer, meditation, analysis, discussion and debate of Catholic philosophers and theologians. By what authority, even human authority, do you claim the right to dispute such brilliant minds, especially when you have not even studied their teachings to know how they arrived at their conclusions?

Why would you assume that anyone outraged over the Catholic sex abuse scandal is not also outraged over the bolded?

(Also, the Church deprived itself of moral authority.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle class educated Catholics make up the largest portion of Trump supporters.

As usual, Catholics thinking they can control others.

So over their garbage behaviors. Trump Trains screaming, go after kids wearing masks screaming?

Tell me again how good god-fearing Catholics think their behavior is Christian? Not to mention child abuse over and over again.

On the Trump point, do you have a source? Catholics split almost evenly with a slight edge to Biden in the 2020 election (52/47) and Protestant/Other Christian went 60/39 to Trump. I wonder what the race breakdown looks like, but it's reasonable to guess that white protestants went even more heavily to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/

Main point being, US Catholics are hardly monolithically Republican, although some people do believe this. If you randomly pick a Catholic out of the bin they are as likely to support Biden as Trump. Of course the fact that any Christian could vote for Trump bogles the mind.

Also not clear where you get the idea that Catholics are disproportionately anti-mask.

Who appointed you to judge the lives, private religious beliefs and interior lives of over a billion people? Where is your outrage at groups who think marriage between a middle aged man and a 14 year old girl is normal and acceptable? Where is your outrage about FGM? Where is your outrage about the millions of girls all over the world aborted just for being girls.

Face it. You don’t like what you perceive to be the Catholic Church because it’s beliefs (to the very limited extent you understand them) make you uncomfortable. Something inside you (you can call it natural law) realizes that the Church is right, and you can’t tolerate subjecting yourself to self-examination and being confronted with the probability that many beliefs you hold are objectively wrong and in some cases evil. Further, what authority do you have to judge the Catholic Church? Are you Catholic? Do you claim to be a victim of abuse? If not, what’s it to you what the Church doesn’t do? Why is one group of alleged victims grounds to vilify the Church while you ignore other classes of proven victims without a thought. The vast majority of persons who attack the Church for alleged abuse really don’t care about the abuse or its victims. They want to deprive the Church of its moral authority, to get rid of that nagging sense that the way they live their life is inconsistent with who they were created to be. What they can’t change is that the Church’s moral authority doesn’t come from the Popes, or the bishops, or the priests, or the religious. It comes from God (if you’re inclined to believe in one) and/or from the two millennia of thought, prayer, meditation, analysis, discussion and debate of Catholic philosophers and theologians. By what authority, even human authority, do you claim the right to dispute such brilliant minds, especially when you have not even studied their teachings to know how they arrived at their conclusions?

Why would you assume that anyone outraged over the Catholic sex abuse scandal is not also outraged over the bolded?

(Also, the Church deprived itself of moral authority.)

Well, let’s just say that posters with the vapors over alleged scandals regarding the Church are far more common than those bringing up similar issues with others.

As to your second assertion, as explained in multiple prior posts, the administration of the Church is not the Church. Further, no one, catamite, bad manager or other can deprive the Church of its moral authority. That authority does not derive from them and it does not depend on them. It is divine in origin and reflected in centuries of wisdom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle class educated Catholics make up the largest portion of Trump supporters.

As usual, Catholics thinking they can control others.

So over their garbage behaviors. Trump Trains screaming, go after kids wearing masks screaming?

Tell me again how good god-fearing Catholics think their behavior is Christian? Not to mention child abuse over and over again.

On the Trump point, do you have a source? Catholics split almost evenly with a slight edge to Biden in the 2020 election (52/47) and Protestant/Other Christian went 60/39 to Trump. I wonder what the race breakdown looks like, but it's reasonable to guess that white protestants went even more heavily to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/

Main point being, US Catholics are hardly monolithically Republican, although some people do believe this. If you randomly pick a Catholic out of the bin they are as likely to support Biden as Trump. Of course the fact that any Christian could vote for Trump bogles the mind.

Also not clear where you get the idea that Catholics are disproportionately anti-mask.

Who appointed you to judge the lives, private religious beliefs and interior lives of over a billion people? Where is your outrage at groups who think marriage between a middle aged man and a 14 year old girl is normal and acceptable? Where is your outrage about FGM? Where is your outrage about the millions of girls all over the world aborted just for being girls.

Face it. You don’t like what you perceive to be the Catholic Church because it’s beliefs (to the very limited extent you understand them) make you uncomfortable. Something inside you (you can call it natural law) realizes that the Church is right, and you can’t tolerate subjecting yourself to self-examination and being confronted with the probability that many beliefs you hold are objectively wrong and in some cases evil. Further, what authority do you have to judge the Catholic Church? Are you Catholic? Do you claim to be a victim of abuse? If not, what’s it to you what the Church doesn’t do? Why is one group of alleged victims grounds to vilify the Church while you ignore other classes of proven victims without a thought. The vast majority of persons who attack the Church for alleged abuse really don’t care about the abuse or its victims. They want to deprive the Church of its moral authority, to get rid of that nagging sense that the way they live their life is inconsistent with who they were created to be. What they can’t change is that the Church’s moral authority doesn’t come from the Popes, or the bishops, or the priests, or the religious. It comes from God (if you’re inclined to believe in one) and/or from the two millennia of thought, prayer, meditation, analysis, discussion and debate of Catholic philosophers and theologians. By what authority, even human authority, do you claim the right to dispute such brilliant minds, especially when you have not even studied their teachings to know how they arrived at their conclusions?

Why would you assume that anyone outraged over the Catholic sex abuse scandal is not also outraged over the bolded?

(Also, the Church deprived itself of moral authority.)

Well, let’s just say that posters with the vapors over alleged scandals regarding the Church are far more common than those bringing up similar issues with others.

As to your second assertion, as explained in multiple prior posts, the administration of the Church is not the Church. Further, no one, catamite, bad manager or other can deprive the Church of its moral authority. That authority does not derive from them and it does not depend on them. It is divine in origin and reflected in centuries of wisdom.

The Catholic Church has Moral Authority because pp says so! Case Closed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle class educated Catholics make up the largest portion of Trump supporters.

As usual, Catholics thinking they can control others.

So over their garbage behaviors. Trump Trains screaming, go after kids wearing masks screaming?

Tell me again how good god-fearing Catholics think their behavior is Christian? Not to mention child abuse over and over again.

On the Trump point, do you have a source? Catholics split almost evenly with a slight edge to Biden in the 2020 election (52/47) and Protestant/Other Christian went 60/39 to Trump. I wonder what the race breakdown looks like, but it's reasonable to guess that white protestants went even more heavily to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/

Main point being, US Catholics are hardly monolithically Republican, although some people do believe this. If you randomly pick a Catholic out of the bin they are as likely to support Biden as Trump. Of course the fact that any Christian could vote for Trump bogles the mind.

Also not clear where you get the idea that Catholics are disproportionately anti-mask.

Hello Long Island NY. North Shore predominately Irish and Italian Catholic Trump trains every weekend. Boat ones too. Staten Island roving Trump trains and Trumpers screaming again Catholics.

Maryland my sample is upper middle class Catholics who are cult Trump members.

Anti Masks Anti Fauci etc.. all over my FB page. You see I grew up on Long Island. Never ever going back to my wonderful hometown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle class educated Catholics make up the largest portion of Trump supporters.

As usual, Catholics thinking they can control others.

So over their garbage behaviors. Trump Trains screaming, go after kids wearing masks screaming?

Tell me again how good god-fearing Catholics think their behavior is Christian? Not to mention child abuse over and over again.

On the Trump point, do you have a source? Catholics split almost evenly with a slight edge to Biden in the 2020 election (52/47) and Protestant/Other Christian went 60/39 to Trump. I wonder what the race breakdown looks like, but it's reasonable to guess that white protestants went even more heavily to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/

Main point being, US Catholics are hardly monolithically Republican, although some people do believe this. If you randomly pick a Catholic out of the bin they are as likely to support Biden as Trump. Of course the fact that any Christian could vote for Trump bogles the mind.

Also not clear where you get the idea that Catholics are disproportionately anti-mask.

Who appointed you to judge the lives, private religious beliefs and interior lives of over a billion people? Where is your outrage at groups who think marriage between a middle aged man and a 14 year old girl is normal and acceptable? Where is your outrage about FGM? Where is your outrage about the millions of girls all over the world aborted just for being girls.

Face it. You don’t like what you perceive to be the Catholic Church because it’s beliefs (to the very limited extent you understand them) make you uncomfortable. Something inside you (you can call it natural law) realizes that the Church is right, and you can’t tolerate subjecting yourself to self-examination and being confronted with the probability that many beliefs you hold are objectively wrong and in some cases evil. Further, what authority do you have to judge the Catholic Church? Are you Catholic? Do you claim to be a victim of abuse? If not, what’s it to you what the Church doesn’t do? Why is one group of alleged victims grounds to vilify the Church while you ignore other classes of proven victims without a thought. The vast majority of persons who attack the Church for alleged abuse really don’t care about the abuse or its victims. They want to deprive the Church of its moral authority, to get rid of that nagging sense that the way they live their life is inconsistent with who they were created to be. What they can’t change is that the Church’s moral authority doesn’t come from the Popes, or the bishops, or the priests, or the religious. It comes from God (if you’re inclined to believe in one) and/or from the two millennia of thought, prayer, meditation, analysis, discussion and debate of Catholic philosophers and theologians. By what authority, even human authority, do you claim the right to dispute such brilliant minds, especially when you have not even studied their teachings to know how they arrived at their conclusions?

Why would you assume that anyone outraged over the Catholic sex abuse scandal is not also outraged over the bolded?

(Also, the Church deprived itself of moral authority.)

Well, let’s just say that posters with the vapors over alleged scandals regarding the Church are far more common than those bringing up similar issues with others.

As to your second assertion, as explained in multiple prior posts, the administration of the Church is not the Church. Further, no one, catamite, bad manager or other can deprive the Church of its moral authority. That authority does not derive from them and it does not depend on them. It is divine in origin and reflected in centuries of wisdom.

Just because you believe something to be true or divine doesn’t make it so. I’m sorry your worldview is so narrow and your soul so desperate that you will excuse and overlook the most deplorable of crimes just to keep your fragile world in tact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Middle class educated Catholics make up the largest portion of Trump supporters.

As usual, Catholics thinking they can control others.

So over their garbage behaviors. Trump Trains screaming, go after kids wearing masks screaming?

Tell me again how good god-fearing Catholics think their behavior is Christian? Not to mention child abuse over and over again.

On the Trump point, do you have a source? Catholics split almost evenly with a slight edge to Biden in the 2020 election (52/47) and Protestant/Other Christian went 60/39 to Trump. I wonder what the race breakdown looks like, but it's reasonable to guess that white protestants went even more heavily to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/

Main point being, US Catholics are hardly monolithically Republican, although some people do believe this. If you randomly pick a Catholic out of the bin they are as likely to support Biden as Trump. Of course the fact that any Christian could vote for Trump bogles the mind.

Also not clear where you get the idea that Catholics are disproportionately anti-mask.

Who appointed you to judge the lives, private religious beliefs and interior lives of over a billion people? Where is your outrage at groups who think marriage between a middle aged man and a 14 year old girl is normal and acceptable? Where is your outrage about FGM? Where is your outrage about the millions of girls all over the world aborted just for being girls.

Face it. You don’t like what you perceive to be the Catholic Church because it’s beliefs (to the very limited extent you understand them) make you uncomfortable. Something inside you (you can call it natural law) realizes that the Church is right, and you can’t tolerate subjecting yourself to self-examination and being confronted with the probability that many beliefs you hold are objectively wrong and in some cases evil. Further, what authority do you have to judge the Catholic Church? Are you Catholic? Do you claim to be a victim of abuse? If not, what’s it to you what the Church doesn’t do? Why is one group of alleged victims grounds to vilify the Church while you ignore other classes of proven victims without a thought. The vast majority of persons who attack the Church for alleged abuse really don’t care about the abuse or its victims. They want to deprive the Church of its moral authority, to get rid of that nagging sense that the way they live their life is inconsistent with who they were created to be. What they can’t change is that the Church’s moral authority doesn’t come from the Popes, or the bishops, or the priests, or the religious. It comes from God (if you’re inclined to believe in one) and/or from the two millennia of thought, prayer, meditation, analysis, discussion and debate of Catholic philosophers and theologians. By what authority, even human authority, do you claim the right to dispute such brilliant minds, especially when you have not even studied their teachings to know how they arrived at their conclusions?

Why would you assume that anyone outraged over the Catholic sex abuse scandal is not also outraged over the bolded?

(Also, the Church deprived itself of moral authority.)

Well, let’s just say that posters with the vapors over alleged scandals regarding the Church are far more common than those bringing up similar issues with others.

As to your second assertion, as explained in multiple prior posts, the administration of the Church is not the Church. Further, no one, catamite, bad manager or other can deprive the Church of its moral authority. That authority does not derive from them and it does not depend on them. It is divine in origin and reflected in centuries of wisdom.

Just because you believe something to be true or divine doesn’t make it so. I’m sorry your worldview is so narrow and your soul so desperate that you will excuse and overlook the most deplorable of crimes just to keep your fragile world in tact.

Maybe -- could be that pp is just indoctrinated, like so many people are, into so many different religions.

Anyone ever notice that atheists don't tell people that they must become atheists, in order to avoid suffering after death? No. Atheists just say that this life is all there is -- enjoy.

[Anonymous]

au·thor·i·ty
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noun
1.
the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience.
"he had absolute authority over his subordinates"

When so many people no longer want what you're selling, I'd say you've lost authority.

US Catholic membership has dropped 20% in the past 20 years. There's a reason for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle class educated Catholics make up the largest portion of Trump supporters.

As usual, Catholics thinking they can control others.

So over their garbage behaviors. Trump Trains screaming, go after kids wearing masks screaming?

Tell me again how good god-fearing Catholics think their behavior is Christian? Not to mention child abuse over and over again.

On the Trump point, do you have a source? Catholics split almost evenly with a slight edge to Biden in the 2020 election (52/47) and Protestant/Other Christian went 60/39 to Trump. I wonder what the race breakdown looks like, but it's reasonable to guess that white protestants went even more heavily to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/

Main point being, US Catholics are hardly monolithically Republican, although some people do believe this. If you randomly pick a Catholic out of the bin they are as likely to support Biden as Trump. Of course the fact that any Christian could vote for Trump bogles the mind.

Also not clear where you get the idea that Catholics are disproportionately anti-mask.

Who appointed you to judge the lives, private religious beliefs and interior lives of over a billion people? Where is your outrage at groups who think marriage between a middle aged man and a 14 year old girl is normal and acceptable? Where is your outrage about FGM? Where is your outrage about the millions of girls all over the world aborted just for being girls.

Face it. You don’t like what you perceive to be the Catholic Church because it’s beliefs (to the very limited extent you understand them) make you uncomfortable. Something inside you (you can call it natural law) realizes that the Church is right, and you can’t tolerate subjecting yourself to self-examination and being confronted with the probability that many beliefs you hold are objectively wrong and in some cases evil. Further, what authority do you have to judge the Catholic Church? Are you Catholic? Do you claim to be a victim of abuse? If not, what’s it to you what the Church doesn’t do? Why is one group of alleged victims grounds to vilify the Church while you ignore other classes of proven victims without a thought. The vast majority of persons who attack the Church for alleged abuse really don’t care about the abuse or its victims. They want to deprive the Church of its moral authority, to get rid of that nagging sense that the way they live their life is inconsistent with who they were created to be. What they can’t change is that the Church’s moral authority doesn’t come from the Popes, or the bishops, or the priests, or the religious. It comes from God (if you’re inclined to believe in one) and/or from the two millennia of thought, prayer, meditation, analysis, discussion and debate of Catholic philosophers and theologians. By what authority, even human authority, do you claim the right to dispute such brilliant minds, especially when you have not even studied their teachings to know how they arrived at their conclusions?

Oh, my.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you say about this? Any chance this would budge your views that repressing sexuality for “piety” may just result in more, not less, sexual abuse?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/05/europe/france-catholic-church-abuse-report-intl/index.html

Catholic sexual abuse of children has gone un for thousands of years. It’s not going to change.

Why?