Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
DP. No one actually thinks or writes like this unless you've been stuck in a bubble like Langley. Your sense of self-esteem is all wrapped up in living in an economically segregated area and sending your kids to schools that are highly ranked due to test scores that reflect their segregation. But if you get moved to Herndon you'd be zoned for a school with multiple high-SES feeders (Aldrin, Armstrong, and Forestville, and parts of other feeders), diversity, and plenty of opportunities. And your kid stands to grow up with more empathy and potentially to have college opportunities they might not have if competing with other Langley students.
Not saying you have to accept this. At the end of the day, no one really cares if you leave. But there is a silver lining, if only you'd unclench long enough to consider it.
Wow, what a misguided take. Any objective 3rd party can see there is no silver lining. Herndon high school scores not only well below FCPS averages, but also state averages. An over 50% hispanic population contributing to an 83% graduation rate. This is why UMC families will be fleeing Fairfax over the coming years. What's fairfax county's greatest draw? Schools and jobs. What are the downsides to living in Fairfax? Almost everything else. But truly, the schools are Fairfax's unique value proposition, and this is going out the window with comprehensive boundary changes. You can see changes with Fairfax's declining growth and the increased growth along the I-95 corridor, Richmond, and Hampton Roads (https://news.virginia.edu/content/where-virginias-growth-occurring-you-might-be-surprised). It will be interesting to see the impacts of a combination of 1) Trump elected and gutting federal government combined with 2) potential home buyers choosing to live other than Fairfax county as the boundary discussion negatively impacts the housing market
The county's latest demographic report indicates the county population increased by about 14,000 from 2022 to 2023.
FCPS's enrollment statistics indicate that the FCPS enrollment increased by 850 students in the 2023-24 SY compared to the 2022-23 SY.
To be sure, there are some uncertainties, but you can take your dystopian Trumpy fantasies with you on the way out.
Are these enrollment numbers at or higher than pre Covid numbers when a lot of families left the public schools?
The enrollment numbers are still below the pre-Covid peak, but are rebounding. The decline during Covid, of course, was unrelated to school boundaries.
Looking ahead, there are declining birth rates that may reduce the number of school-age kids, but then Fairfax is encouraging growth. So you have different factors at play there, too, which could impact boundaries in the future if they result in under-enrollment at some schools but over-enrollment in other pockets of the county.
FCPS is projected to have the largest decrease in public school enrollment in the state over the next five years.
That study shows many jurisdictions in the state projected to have larger percentage declines than Fairfax and, in any case, the FCPS projections differ from the Cooper projections. FCPS is projecting essentially flat enrollment over the next five years. The Cooper study is based largely on birth rates within specific jurisdictions, but we all know that students who weren't born in Fairfax move into the county (and this isn't just immigrants - two of our kids, for example, were born in other jurisdictions).
In any event, the constant effort to suggest everything in the county goes to shit if the Langley boundaries get changed is tiring.
DP. What grows tiring is your constant gaslighting. As has been mentioned many times, it’s the constant uncertainty every five years that will turn this county into a shell of its former self. It’s your hatred of Langley that makes you constantly misread that point. So pathetic.
A “shell of its former self”? So much drama. With this hyperbole it’s a miracle Langley isn’t winning more Cappies.
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
There have been years not too long ago where the highest price appreciation in the county was in the Lee (now Franconia) District. But, sure, every FCPS decision should be made with a view towards protecting property values in Great Falls…
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.
How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?
Where was Ryan McElveen last night? He said he was against the Policy 8130 revisions but couldn’t show up to express his opposition? Seems rather cowardly to boycott a vote on something that important.
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
DP. No one actually thinks or writes like this unless you've been stuck in a bubble like Langley. Your sense of self-esteem is all wrapped up in living in an economically segregated area and sending your kids to schools that are highly ranked due to test scores that reflect their segregation. But if you get moved to Herndon you'd be zoned for a school with multiple high-SES feeders (Aldrin, Armstrong, and Forestville, and parts of other feeders), diversity, and plenty of opportunities. And your kid stands to grow up with more empathy and potentially to have college opportunities they might not have if competing with other Langley students.
Not saying you have to accept this. At the end of the day, no one really cares if you leave. But there is a silver lining, if only you'd unclench long enough to consider it.
Wow, what a misguided take. Any objective 3rd party can see there is no silver lining. Herndon high school scores not only well below FCPS averages, but also state averages. An over 50% hispanic population contributing to an 83% graduation rate. This is why UMC families will be fleeing Fairfax over the coming years. What's fairfax county's greatest draw? Schools and jobs. What are the downsides to living in Fairfax? Almost everything else. But truly, the schools are Fairfax's unique value proposition, and this is going out the window with comprehensive boundary changes. You can see changes with Fairfax's declining growth and the increased growth along the I-95 corridor, Richmond, and Hampton Roads (https://news.virginia.edu/content/where-virginias-growth-occurring-you-might-be-surprised). It will be interesting to see the impacts of a combination of 1) Trump elected and gutting federal government combined with 2) potential home buyers choosing to live other than Fairfax county as the boundary discussion negatively impacts the housing market
The county's latest demographic report indicates the county population increased by about 14,000 from 2022 to 2023.
FCPS's enrollment statistics indicate that the FCPS enrollment increased by 850 students in the 2023-24 SY compared to the 2022-23 SY.
To be sure, there are some uncertainties, but you can take your dystopian Trumpy fantasies with you on the way out.
Are these enrollment numbers at or higher than pre Covid numbers when a lot of families left the public schools?
The enrollment numbers are still below the pre-Covid peak, but are rebounding. The decline during Covid, of course, was unrelated to school boundaries.
Looking ahead, there are declining birth rates that may reduce the number of school-age kids, but then Fairfax is encouraging growth. So you have different factors at play there, too, which could impact boundaries in the future if they result in under-enrollment at some schools but over-enrollment in other pockets of the county.
FCPS is projected to have the largest decrease in public school enrollment in the state over the next five years.
That study shows many jurisdictions in the state projected to have larger percentage declines than Fairfax and, in any case, the FCPS projections differ from the Cooper projections. FCPS is projecting essentially flat enrollment over the next five years. The Cooper study is based largely on birth rates within specific jurisdictions, but we all know that students who weren't born in Fairfax move into the county (and this isn't just immigrants - two of our kids, for example, were born in other jurisdictions).
In any event, the constant effort to suggest everything in the county goes to shit if the Langley boundaries get changed is tiring.
DP. What grows tiring is your constant gaslighting. As has been mentioned many times, it’s the constant uncertainty every five years that will turn this county into a shell of its former self. It’s your hatred of Langley that makes you constantly misread that point. So pathetic.
A “shell of its former self”? So much drama. With this hyperbole it’s a miracle Langley isn’t winning more Cappies.
Based on your comment, you didn’t listen to Sandy Anderson speak yesterday.
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
There have been years not too long ago where the highest price appreciation in the county was in the Lee (now Franconia) District. But, sure, every FCPS decision should be made with a view towards protecting property values in Great Falls…
You shout like a madwoman on this board, and people just quietly go about behind the scenes making sure they aren’t impacted.
At the end of the day, you will never be happy, because those UMC families that you desperately, oh so desperately, seek to soak to Make Herndon Great Again, just ain’t interested and have the means not to care. Sure you’ll catch a few families with redistricting, but everyone I know has already moved on or is prepping to.
Anonymous wrote:Where was Ryan McElveen last night? He said he was against the Policy 8130 revisions but couldn’t show up to express his opposition? Seems rather cowardly to boycott a vote on something that important.
Did he have a good reason not to be there?
Not a coward, as he clearly showed at the last work session. He’s the only one with half a brain on the SB.
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
There have been years not too long ago where the highest price appreciation in the county was in the Lee (now Franconia) District. But, sure, every FCPS decision should be made with a view towards protecting property values in Great Falls…
You shout like a madwoman on this board, and people just quietly go about behind the scenes making sure they aren’t impacted.
At the end of the day, you will never be happy, because those UMC families that you desperately, oh so desperately, seek to soak to Make Herndon Great Again, just ain’t interested and have the means not to care. Sure you’ll catch a few families with redistricting, but everyone I know has already moved on or is prepping to.
Wow. Sounds like Forestville ES will have to shut down entirely once the wagon train has left Great Falls. Will be sure to check fall 2024 enrollment to see if anyone is left.
Anonymous wrote:So is FCPS going to turn all shitty like Florida and everyone should go to private or charter schools?
I wouldn't say FCPS will be like Florida but I do think they will be just like Alexandria where new residents either enroll kids in private school or move.
Anonymous wrote:With all the talk of having too much competition for sports teams at over crowded schools or not enough opportunities at under enrolled schools, they really must even out the number of students at each of the schools. It’s the only way to ensure the same level of competition at each.
Centreville expanding to 3,000 is an obvious example of inequity.
Given the crowding at Centreville and Chantilly, and the lack of progress towards building a new western high school, the idea of expanding Centreville to 3000 (slightly larger than Westfield) isn’t crazy. The far more egregious expansion was building West Potomac out to 3000 when there was space available at Mount Vernon.
However, now that the Policy 8130 revisions have passed, we can look for one community in particular to argue against the Centreville expansion and in favor of ultimately filling the extra Herndon seats with kids who do not live in their community, which is not far from Herndon.
When you are doing boundaries from scratch there aren’t any “extra seats.”
So busy seething you can’t think 🧐.
Every school is an empty vessel and every child/street/neighborhood a potential unit to help fill it.
There was no county-wide redistricting on the table when West Potomac got expanded to 3000. As for the rest of your post, get help.
What’s your problem?
New boundaries are done by the numbers.
Facilities is not going to say “okay we are going to send Olivia Jacobs and Mike Rashid and Timmy Sfakiyanudis and LeVon Davis and Cindy Singh and the Thatcher twins and John Diamond and Vince Karazin and….. to Centreville High”
It will be “this subdivision generally has x number of kids and if we send them to this school it’s quicker than if we send them to that one because it’s against rush hour traffic.”
Don’t be ridiculous.
Again, get help. You seem not to recognize that, when you're in a hole, the best thing to do is stop digging.
You’re right. Facilities will reassign each student knowing all their names, faces and favorite foods. 😂
Anonymous wrote:So is FCPS going to turn all shitty like Florida and everyone should go to private or charter schools?
Homeschooling is a great option.
NoVA has some great co-ops and supplemental classes.
An abundance of fun field trip options too.
I bet the Great Falls families who decide against sticking with FCPS and who don’t want to (or can’t reasonably) shell out 50k for private could lay out 1/5 of that each, get together and have one hell of a co-op.
It’s especially easy at the elementary level but high school is doable too.
Anonymous wrote:Where was Ryan McElveen last night? He said he was against the Policy 8130 revisions but couldn’t show up to express his opposition? Seems rather cowardly to boycott a vote on something that important.
Did he have a good reason not to be there?
Not a coward, as he clearly showed at the last work session. He’s the only one with half a brain on the SB.
Moon is always thoughtful and I appreciate him being back on the board.
Forum Index
»
Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS)
![[Post New]](/jforum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif){kind=icon}