Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

One thing that I have not seen discussed anywhere is SS's contact with the bank. He must have spoken to a bank employee to arrange for the $40,000 withdrawal. Why $40K, and not $50K or $100K. The amount requested makes no sense. I wonder if Wint wanted more, but the bank would only allow $40K since SS was not present for the withdrawal.

Agree. I've also wondered about Savvas' communication with his bank. But he would have been calling an 800 number after hours right? If LE's timeline is right, Savvas did not return home that evening until around 6:30 pm. When he arrived home he would have been over-powered by 1 or more robbers. Amy and Vera would have already been bound and possibly tied up. Philip we're not sure about. Savvas' bank would have already been closed. And Bank of America in Hyattsville, close to AIW, does not open until 9 am. How could the money have been withdrawn so quickly for JW's money-bundle-photo to his gf to have a 9:00 am time stamp?

Also, very curious as to what JW alleges his employer's schedule was for that Thursday, May 14th. Anyone know? He was SS's personal assistant and driver. So his story is that SS requested he pick up and deliver $40K from ???? (AIW accountant? Has then been confirmed? If so where did the accountant retrieve the money from?) and then to work at the martial arts center? Those were his tasks for that day? And has it been confirmed that JW had been driving his own car on both Wednesday, May 13 and Thursday, May 14?

If all of these questions have already been discussed I do sincerely apologize. I have read through 135+ threads now and did not find these questions had been touched upon. And I don't see a search tool for this forum. Thanks.

Sad & Depressed in DC

[Anonymous]

PP here --On the day of the fire, Wallace went back to the Savopoulos home for the second time. It is not known if the cops took him to the station for questioning, or how he got to wherever he ended up after his conversation with police. His car was recovered one block from the S house, and a Search Warrant issued for a number of items, I think on the 15th.

Thanks PP. I guess everyone is different. If I had dropped off cash I would understand immediately when I learned they were murdered what had happened. I would not be leaving tearful vm messages for anyone connected to the family or the company. I would asked my retired police officer father for guidance. I would have gone to AIW in person (maybe with my dad) to speak with someone about what I know. I would have also hired an attorney and made a public statement expressing sorrow and sending condolences to the family. I'd also publicly state my innocence in the plot and conspiracy against the Savopoulos family. And I would have attended either the wake or the funeral.

I would not have disappeared with my mommy and deleted all my social media accounts.

I can understand not wanting to give interviews to media. However, JW's actions before and after are all up for review. So far, I do not feel confident of his complete non-involvement in the plotting and conspiring of the extortion of $40K and murders of 4 people. I do believe it IS Daron Wint in the cctv footage from the catering company next to the church parking lot where Amy's Porsche was found torched. However, I find it extremely difficult to believe Wint did this totally on his own. He seemed to have insider knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Is it really necessary to sign posts as

"Sad and Depressed in DC"

Seriously, go back to real life and get a grip....

[Anonymous]

Is it really necessary to sign posts as

"Sad and Depressed in DC"

Seriously, go back to real life and get a grip....

How long have you been on this forum? Take some of your own advice ahole.

Treya in UpperNW

[Anonymous]

But assuming more than one perp - why does 1 of them (and presumably only 1) leave burning house in Porsche? Others are not going to take risk of just leaving house on foot. There must be another car involved. Public transportation too far away; not plausible they would take it. Or do 2 guys leave in Porsche and one gets dropped off at metro? Why would they do that?

In my opinion, Porsche was taken to church parking lot at 1:30. Perp goes home, showers, etc. Then comes back to torch it at 5:30.

That makes a lot of sense. However, I'm fairly certain it was confirmed that the cctv footage from the catering company adjacent to the church parking lot's camera time stamp was off by 1 hour.

Also, maybe everyone here already knows this, and if it's a repeat, my apologies. I've read through 150+ threads and haven't seen it mentioned. But the large industrial white plastic bucket which the person-of-interest looked to be carrying in the footage is important. LE stated that they recovered similar/same white plastic buckets at Wint's father & step-mother's house.

The info about LE finding large white plastic buckets at Wint's father's home was mentioned on local tv news, or 20/20 last week. They showed LE collecting evidence outside of Dennis Wint's house and at least 1 agent was carrying a stack of buckets.

I obviously don't know the purpose of the bucket and if they found the one the person of interest in the cctv footage was carrying, but I guess it could have been used for gas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

But assuming more than one perp - why does 1 of them (and presumably only 1) leave burning house in Porsche? Others are not going to take risk of just leaving house on foot. There must be another car involved. Public transportation too far away; not plausible they would take it. Or do 2 guys leave in Porsche and one gets dropped off at metro? Why would they do that?

In my opinion, Porsche was taken to church parking lot at 1:30. Perp goes home, showers, etc. Then comes back to torch it at 5:30.

That makes a lot of sense. However, I'm fairly certain it was confirmed that the cctv footage from the catering company adjacent to the church parking lot's camera time stamp was off by 1 hour.

Also, maybe everyone here already knows this, and if it's a repeat, my apologies. I've read through 150+ threads and haven't seen it mentioned. But the large industrial white plastic bucket which the person-of-interest looked to be carrying in the footage is important. LE stated that they recovered similar/same white plastic buckets at Wint's father & step-mother's house.

The info about LE finding large white plastic buckets at Wint's father's home was mentioned on local tv news, or 20/20 last week. They showed LE collecting evidence outside of Dennis Wint's house and at least 1 agent was carrying a stack of buckets.

I obviously don't know the purpose of the bucket and if they found the one the person of interest in the cctv footage was carrying, but I guess it could have been used for gas?

Are you thinking he carried a gas can in it? that's what i think too, probably along with matches. To set fire to a car, do you need paper or such to get the fire started? (my only experience with setting a fire is in a fireplace or a campfire). Or with the gas and matches, I guess the fire would ignite immediately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

All of those questions have been answered. He talked to police....................We don't know who all he talked to about it. He apparently talked to Nellie Thursday. He wasn't keeping it a secret that he delivered the cash. If the person he called on Friday was the accountant maybe he waited to call him at work the next day. That call really isn't important except to them personally. They had not known that the cash delivery they arranged was ransom so he called the other person who had not figured out the horrible truth and broke down about it.

Wallace was not involved in the crime. When he called people other than SS and where he parked at the scene are not significant.

If you had read my earlier post, I pre-apologized if I was asking about something already discussed. And explained I'd read through 50 threads (now 125 threads) and still I don't find any mention of the tearful (what I heard on the news was that the calls were to someone at AIW, AND Savvas and Amy's cell phones) voicemail messages left by JW - all tearful messages left on Friday, May 15th. Even if the news was incorrect that these types of messages were left for Amy & Savvas, who leaves a voicemail message for an employee after a horrific event in which they had direct involvement, unknown or perhaps known?

It is only your opinion that JW is not involved in a nefarious way in this crime. It is only your opinion that when JW called people (other than SS), and where he parked at the mansion are not significant. In my opinion, these facts ARE important. He sent a ridiculous text on Thursday, May 14th which read something like, "Hey Miss Amy, I heard your house is on fire. Better get home....." for Amy Savopoulos but no text or voice mail message about the fire for Savvas Savopoulos? Who sends a text to their employer's wife and not to their employer when their home is on fire? Who lies to detectives when their employer and members of his family and domestic staff have been murdered? Not just once but twice? Who sends photos of cash bundles to their gf? Why did the photo only show 2 bundles? The time stamp on the photos is 9:00 am - how did he get cash that quickly when the banks open at 9 am. Did the accountant in fact withdrawal money from the bank, and not from a safe at AIW? Why did JW have the expired registration paperwork for Savopoulos' Mosler in his backpack in his car? Why was he carrying his passport, also discovered in his backpack in his car? What do you think the odds are that an employee of a company, where the CEO, his wife and child, and their housekeeper are murdered in extremely unusual circumstances would have himself lived and/or his police officer father resides at the same apartment complex as the only perpetrator had for many years (currently Wint's sister lives at this same apt complex) arrested for the kidnapping and murder of that CEO. And that the perp had also worked for the same company? And what are the chances that Wint and Wallace (or Wallace's father) would have been next-door-neighbors for several years? All just weird coincidences?

Please don't reply because your thoughts and opinions do not interest me in the slightest.

Sad & Depressed in DC

You just do not have the facts. Wallace was calling both Savvas and Amy all during the drive from Chantilly to the house to tell them that the house was no fire. The accountant handed Wallace the cash and he put it in the bag. He first told the police that it was already in the bag, but whether it was already in the bag or he put it in the bag does not involve him in the crime.

There is ZERO evidence that Wallace and Wint knew each other. They were never next-door neighbors. Wallace's dad hasn't lived in that area since 2009, but even then, Jordan Wallace did not live there. He graduated from high school in Annapolis in 2005, not in Lanham or New Carrollton, and he lived in Annapolis since then.

What did Wallace do that in any way might have contributed to the crime? His only involvement was to perform the errand that his boss told him to perform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing that I have not seen discussed anywhere is SS's contact with the bank. He must have spoken to a bank employee to arrange for the $40,000 withdrawal. Why $40K, and not $50K or $100K. The amount requested makes no sense. I wonder if Wint wanted more, but the bank would only allow $40K since SS was not present for the withdrawal.

To answer some recent questions about how AIW had the money before 9a on Thursday, before the bank opened, some pp's have suggested the money was already at AIW in preparation for the dojo opening. They were going to need that cash on Friday and already had it in the office. So when SS was calling people like his accountant he was trying to have the money delivered earlier (on Thursday) so he could use it to satisfy DDW -- offering it to DDW on Wednesday was a way to buy time since he'd have to wait until the next morning for the delivery.

Does anyone else remember reading posts like that? This makes sense to me because no after-hours CSR on a bank's 1-800 number is going to be able to provide or transfer $40k. It would take an bank officer during business hours. The trip to B of A was one of the lies JW told.

[Anonymous]

JW told police he put money in his "red bag." The results of the search of JW's car did not produce a red bag, but a black bag and an orange bag. What color do color-blind people see when something is orange? Any chance they see red? If that's the perception with color blindness, JW might have thought his bag was red when it's in fact orange. IDK.

[Anonymous]

This makes sense to me because no after-hours CSR on a bank's 1-800 number is going to be able to provide or transfer $40k. It would take an bank officer during business hours. The trip to B of A was one of the lies JW told.

Thank you! I agree with you! This is exactly my point. It is a very important LIE that JW told LE. It wasn't a mistake. It was very specific. It was not JW having a problem with remembering correctly (as many claim his saying Savvas made the request on Thurs morning and not the true day which was Wed evening).

The money was not withdrawn from any bank. It was either already at AIW OR was in the safe at the Savopoulos mansion (in the garage large serious combination safe).

The other lie which is very important is how the money was wrapped and the envelop it was placed in. Why did JW unwrap 1 or 2 of the bundles? And why lie about what type of envelope? Why did he lie about seeing the accountant make the bank withdrawal? Why

The text from Wednesday, May 13 - Thursday, May 14th are all fake in that they were created to tell a "story". It was never Savvas writing or sending the texts. Those that Amy sent (I only know of 1 or 2, sent to Nelly G) - they were coached or written by someone else.

Now about JW. His language to me is odd in several of the messages. If the drop off of $40K was no big deal and didn't seem strange to him, then why does he call it a "package"? Why does he even text, "I'll text you when the money is dropped off?" Why wouldn't he ring the doorbell and hand it to Savvas or Amy in-person? I've not read anywhere, or heard any reports that JW was instructed by Savvas NOT to come to the door.

Then there are the lies about how he dropped off the money. If the garage was open, or closed; locked or unlocked. Same with where in the garage. And if the money was left inside a car, which one; and was it locked or unlocked.

Another text where JWs language feels strange to me is the "Hey Ms Amy, Your house is on fire etc...." Who the hell texts someone to tell them their house is on fire? I've not heard or read anywhere that JW also tried contacting SS about their house fire. So if it's true that he only texted AS - why? And why a text? A normal person would attempt to call a few times before resorting to texting.

LE knows a lot about that garage and which cars were parked inside and which were not. Because Savvas had contractors there that week. They were working on the garage. They'd already started (I believe planning how the job was going to be done - no actual construction yet). Savvas had asked for the garage to be made larger to accommodate (I believe) 1 more vehicle.

I read an interview (either Washington Post or FoxNews) with the man who owns the contracting company. He said that the mansion and garage were extremely secure with a sophisticated security system. He said that he was never given the key code to enter the garage. Yes! Their garage has a key pad (doesn't seem to be visible in any photos of the garage I've viewed but could be inside a hidden panel). He further explained, you have to use the key pad to enter the pass code to gain entry to the garage. He said that he and his employees always had to enter the house through the kitchen, and then enter the garage through a door from the kitchen.

Thanks
Treya in UpperNW

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that I have not seen discussed anywhere is SS's contact with the bank. He must have spoken to a bank employee to arrange for the $40,000 withdrawal. Why $40K, and not $50K or $100K. The amount requested makes no sense. I wonder if Wint wanted more, but the bank would only allow $40K since SS was not present for the withdrawal.

To answer some recent questions about how AIW had the money before 9a on Thursday, before the bank opened, some pp's have suggested the money was already at AIW in preparation for the dojo opening. They were going to need that cash on Friday and already had it in the office. So when SS was calling people like his accountant he was trying to have the money delivered earlier (on Thursday) so he could use it to satisfy DDW -- offering it to DDW on Wednesday was a way to buy time since he'd have to wait un til the next morning for the delivery.

Does anyone else remember reading posts like that? This makes sense to me because no after-hours CSR on a bank's 1-800 number is going to be able to provide or transfer $40k. It would take an bank officer during business hours. The trip to B of A was one of the lies JW told.

He did not lie about going to the bank. Wallace and the other employee met at the bank, the employee got the cash, and then gave it to Wallace.

The charging documents on Wint say that "the other employee that provided the package to W-1 was interviewed and stated the money he withdrew from Bank of America was wrapped in money wrappers from the bank and the money was separated in four bundles that totaled forty thousand dollars."
Read it yourself: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/local/charging-papers-against-daron-wint/1558/

Wallace lied in saying that the cash was already in a manilla envelope when the IAW employee handed it to him, and then had to correct the statement to admit that the employee took the four bundles of cash out of his pockets and put them in a red bag belonging to Wallace and that at the house Wallace put the cash in a manilla envelope that was in his car.

So they went to the Bank of America to get the money. The cash was not planned for the martial arts center. It was ransom money arranged Wed night/Thurs morning.

[Anonymous]

Last week I read LE's official account of what happened after LE interviewed the accountant. They knew all along JW was lying. The official paperwork stated that the accountant pulled the money out of his pockets. I do not recall anything about the accountant placing the money into an envelope and then handing JW the money stuffed envelope. Nor giving JW an envelope for him to place the money inside of. As soon as I find the link of the official account I will post it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that I have not seen discussed anywhere is SS's contact with the bank. He must have spoken to a bank employee to arrange for the $40,000 withdrawal. Why $40K, and not $50K or $100K. The amount requested makes no sense. I wonder if Wint wanted more, but the bank would only allow $40K since SS was not present for the withdrawal.

To answer some recent questions about how AIW had the money before 9a on Thursday, before the bank opened, some pp's have suggested the money was already at AIW in preparation for the dojo opening. They were going to need that cash on Friday and already had it in the office. So when SS was calling people like his accountant he was trying to have the money delivered earlier (on Thursday) so he could use it to satisfy DDW -- offering it to DDW on Wednesday was a way to buy time since he'd have to wait un til the next morning for the delivery.

Does anyone else remember reading posts like that? This makes sense to me because no after-hours CSR on a bank's 1-800 number is going to be able to provide or transfer $40k. It would take an bank officer during business hours. The trip to B of A was one of the lies JW told.

He did not lie about going to the bank. Wallace and the other employee met at the bank, the employee got the cash, and then gave it to Wallace.

The charging documents on Wint say that "the other employee that provided the package to W-1 was interviewed and stated the money he withdrew from Bank of America was wrapped in money wrappers from the bank and the money was separated in four bundles that totaled forty thousand dollars."
Read it yourself: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/local/charging-papers-against-daron-wint/1558/

Wallace lied in saying that the cash was already in a manilla envelope when the IAW employee handed it to him, and then had to correct the statement to admit that the employee took the four bundles of cash out of his pockets and put them in a red bag belonging to Wallace and that at the house Wallace put the cash in a manilla envelope that was in his car.

So they went to the Bank of America to get the money. The cash was not planned for the martial arts center. It was ransom money arranged Wed night/Thurs morning.

Thank you for the link. I was just recalling what some others had speculated.

I am curious about them going to the bank on Thursday morning because it's been established that the branch didn't open until 9a. I thought the time stamp on the photo text of money JW sent his gf was just about nine o'clock. Seems like it would have taken 20 or 30 minutes to exact that transaction. IDK

Thoughts?

[Anonymous]

If the bank story is true I wonder why the forensics team is or had concentrated on the safe in the garage?

[Anonymous]

The bank may open at 9 am for regular people, but I'm sure Savvas could get access earlier than that simply by asking.