Boundary Review Meetings

[Anonymous]

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Moving all of Wolftrap and greatly changing the makeup of Marshall was not a necessary move. There are numerous neighborhoods impacted and all all buyers and renters in that area have known since moving in which schools they are assigned and that Tommy may loose some friends and make some new ones when he goes to middle school and high school.

If you look they are pulling 5 SPAs out of Marshall to Madison but 10 SPAs out of Kilmer to Thoreau. So the bigger impact will be driving up the poverty rate at Kilmer and then making the Kilmer/Marshall pyramid substantially less attractive to UMC families. Leaving one of the remaining wealthier areas as an isolated attendance island will also, over time, incentivize people in that area to go private, pupil place, and/or lobby for further boundary changes.

I think McElveen went to both Kilmer and Marshall. Maybe he'll offer some amendments to undo some or all of these unnecessary changes. Or maybe Meren will pretend she hasn't been complicit in this nonsense and do that, although she'd been sending opposite signals recently (doesn't matter - she's utterly inconsistent).

People should stop talking about that attendance island so much, it is exhausting when they are doing it on behalf of the people that live there, regardless of what those residents want, just to support whatever argument they are using to complain about the Marshall to Madison move.

I will say, as a parent who has supported the move out of Kilmer and into Thoreau - it is tough to hear people now saying the numbers shared with us were wrong. Say what you will about other motivators for the change, but we were told that Kilmer is at 118% capacity and 153% without modulars. I do not try to pretend that I would be able to know the incremental difference between 99% and 103%, but 118% and 153% were startling numbers that feel bad to a parent and made me want my kid to not go there. If those numbers aren't the real numbers, I don't know how to feel.

Wolftrap mom, I'm sorry you don't like hearing that your getting moved to Madison is being accomplished by further isolating people who'd been asking for years not to be an attendance island at Westbriar, and ended up getting turned into an island not just at Westbriar, but also Kilmer and Marshall. And, it was justified in part by pointing at numbers at Kilmer they've now admitted were fake.

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I had seen people on these threads asking regularly for many months about the Kilmer capacity number and why it nosedived a few years ago.

Meren and Frisch were not doing their jobs if they didn't get the bottom of this BEFORE the boundary recommendations came out.

Now it looks like an intentional error to favor some Wolftrap parents who were itching to move to Thoreau and Madison.

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Count on what

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Estimates for this boundary study (including Thru's contract and staff time) total close to 1M dollars. They didn't listen to parents or use real data from the get though so in the end they spent 1M to move 1,697 kids. If at my job I spent 1M of our budget on something that effected less than 1 percent of our constituents I would be fired. How many more teachers could have been hired with that money? People should stop fighting each other and focus all their energy on letting the board know what a huge failure this was!

[Anonymous]

To the Poster referencing Keene Mill - you do realize Keene Mill is right next to Irving - literally, and much closer to WSHS then some of the other neighborhoods. They also want to rezone neighborhoods further back in cardinal forest to Keene mill. Again these neighborhoods are way closer to irving than other neighborhoods so stop bringing up how Keene Mill is closer to Lewis. Its way more closer to Irving and WSHS. What the board needs to do is do the residency checks and be serious about them and have legal punishments for parents who submit false paperwork showing false addresses. Otherwise those of us who play by the rules will continue to play by the rules but those that dont and have no problem lying really dont seem to care that they lie and get away with it..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the Poster referencing Keene Mill - you do realize Keene Mill is right next to Irving - literally, and much closer to WSHS then some of the other neighborhoods. They also want to rezone neighborhoods further back in cardinal forest to Keene mill. Again these neighborhoods are way closer to irving than other neighborhoods so stop bringing up how Keene Mill is closer to Lewis. Its way more closer to Irving and WSHS. What the board needs to do is do the residency checks and be serious about them and have legal punishments for parents who submit false paperwork showing false addresses. Otherwise those of us who play by the rules will continue to play by the rules but those that dont and have no problem lying really dont seem to care that they lie and get away with it..

The board definitely needs to get serious about residency checks before even one neighborhood gets moved out of WSHS. They can easily do them when a child is submitting their vaccinations before entering Irving. Have parents go through the same checking process (show a bill, etc) that they did when they first registered (usually at the elementary level). Do it again when they transition from Irving to WHSH. It is not that hard!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the Poster referencing Keene Mill - you do realize Keene Mill is right next to Irving - literally, and much closer to WSHS then some of the other neighborhoods. They also want to rezone neighborhoods further back in cardinal forest to Keene mill. Again these neighborhoods are way closer to irving than other neighborhoods so stop bringing up how Keene Mill is closer to Lewis. Its way more closer to Irving and WSHS. What the board needs to do is do the residency checks and be serious about them and have legal punishments for parents who submit false paperwork showing false addresses. Otherwise those of us who play by the rules will continue to play by the rules but those that dont and have no problem lying really dont seem to care that they lie and get away with it..

Keene Mill could stay at Irving for middle school, then be a split feeder into Lewis.

The plan for Hunt Valley that you want implemented created a split feeder (while over crowding SoCo)

FCPS could just as easily turn Keene Mill into an Irving to Lewis split feeder, especially since it is the closest neighborhood to the "nearby under enrolled high school" that people zoned to the Lewis end of WSHS keep mentioning. If people from the neighborhoods nearest to Lewis want to push moving an entire elementary school to Lewis or turning a neighborhood on the other side of the boundary into a split feeder to Lewis, then they need to realize that will push neighborhoods who so far have only been advocating for residency checks, eliminating transfers into WSHS and leaving the boundaries intact with no one moved in or out, towards advocating instead that since creating split feeders or rezoning entire schools to "the nearby under enrolled" Lewis is on the table, that the neighborhoods on OKM that are minutes from Lewis are the only reasonable option.

No one from Sangster, Hunt Valley or Shannon Station have mentioned this or want this to happen.

But plenty of people in those neighbirhoods nearest to Lewis on OKM have implied that Sangster, Shannon Station and Hunt Valley should take one for the team and accept getting rezoned, always mentioning the "under enrolled nearby high school" being "inequitable" in their arguments.

If filling Lewis is the goal and split feeders or entire elementary schools are on the table, then Keene Mill staying at Irving but splitting to Lewis is the one school rezoning that makes perfect sense.

The Keene Mill neighborhoods are actually equally as close to Lewis as WSHS. It is 5 minutes from Lewis. Making it a split feeder to Lewis makes sense, if FCPS wants to go that route.

If I were on that end of WSHS closest to Lewis, I would stop pushing for one of the schools from the other side of the boundary to get rezoned, and start joining them to fight for a full residency check at WSHS, at the minimum with the rising 9th grade class from Irving.

But if you keep pushing for the other neighborhoods to get rezoned, especially if you are arguing that they should pass by your elementary school and every other elementary school zoned for WSHS to go to Lewis, at some point people are going to point out the obvious, that if FCPS is moving neighborhoods to the "under enrolled nearby high school" and willing to create split feeders to do it, then it should definitely be the neighborhoods 5 minutes/2 miles from Lewis and a straight shot down Old Keene Mill Road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the Poster referencing Keene Mill - you do realize Keene Mill is right next to Irving - literally, and much closer to WSHS then some of the other neighborhoods. They also want to rezone neighborhoods further back in cardinal forest to Keene mill. Again these neighborhoods are way closer to irving than other neighborhoods so stop bringing up how Keene Mill is closer to Lewis. Its way more closer to Irving and WSHS. What the board needs to do is do the residency checks and be serious about them and have legal punishments for parents who submit false paperwork showing false addresses. Otherwise those of us who play by the rules will continue to play by the rules but those that dont and have no problem lying really dont seem to care that they lie and get away with it..

The board definitely needs to get serious about residency checks before even one neighborhood gets moved out of WSHS. They can easily do them when a child is submitting their vaccinations before entering Irving. Have parents go through the same checking process (show a bill, etc) that they did when they first registered (usually at the elementary level). Do it again when they transition from Irving to WHSH. It is not that hard!

100% agree.

This is where the fight nedds to be at WSHS.

I am the poster who mentioned KM being the closest. Those people need to stop talking about the nearby under enrolled high school needing WSHS kids rezoned to it, and start joining the other half of WSHS that is advocating for residency checks.

[Anonymous]

Keene mill is not closer to Lewis than it is to irving or WSHS. We are two min away from Irving and WSHS. Same neighborhood. We dont appreciate getting thrown under the bus when we can literally be at all 3 schools way closer than other areas. So why dont you stop targeting us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the Poster referencing Keene Mill - you do realize Keene Mill is right next to Irving - literally, and much closer to WSHS then some of the other neighborhoods. They also want to rezone neighborhoods further back in cardinal forest to Keene mill. Again these neighborhoods are way closer to irving than other neighborhoods so stop bringing up how Keene Mill is closer to Lewis. Its way more closer to Irving and WSHS. What the board needs to do is do the residency checks and be serious about them and have legal punishments for parents who submit false paperwork showing false addresses. Otherwise those of us who play by the rules will continue to play by the rules but those that dont and have no problem lying really dont seem to care that they lie and get away with it..

The board definitely needs to get serious about residency checks before even one neighborhood gets moved out of WSHS. They can easily do them when a child is submitting their vaccinations before entering Irving. Have parents go through the same checking process (show a bill, etc) that they did when they first registered (usually at the elementary level). Do it again when they transition from Irving to WHSH. It is not that hard!

100% agree.

This is where the fight nedds to be at WSHS.

I am the poster who mentioned KM being the closest. Those people need to stop talking about the nearby under enrolled high school needing WSHS kids rezoned to it, and start joining the other half of WSHS that is advocating for residency checks.

Daventry families should espcially take note. They are laying low right now because they have not been mentioned on any maps. But there are certain school board members bringing them up in other neighborhood discussions for "next time." Based on the debates on the facebook pages - elementary schools seem to be a hot topic, but the over arching support of residecy checks at the 7th and 9th grade years should be on the forefront, because even neighborhoods who think they are safe, may not be as secure as they assume.

[Anonymous]

It's all so sloppy. Reid revised her recommendations but they haven't updated the boundary explorer tool. Everything Reid and this School Board does is half-assed. FCPS has become an embarrassment, overseen by a bunch of clowns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the Poster referencing Keene Mill - you do realize Keene Mill is right next to Irving - literally, and much closer to WSHS then some of the other neighborhoods. They also want to rezone neighborhoods further back in cardinal forest to Keene mill. Again these neighborhoods are way closer to irving than other neighborhoods so stop bringing up how Keene Mill is closer to Lewis. Its way more closer to Irving and WSHS. What the board needs to do is do the residency checks and be serious about them and have legal punishments for parents who submit false paperwork showing false addresses. Otherwise those of us who play by the rules will continue to play by the rules but those that dont and have no problem lying really dont seem to care that they lie and get away with it..

The board definitely needs to get serious about residency checks before even one neighborhood gets moved out of WSHS. They can easily do them when a child is submitting their vaccinations before entering Irving. Have parents go through the same checking process (show a bill, etc) that they did when they first registered (usually at the elementary level). Do it again when they transition from Irving to WHSH. It is not that hard!

100% agree.

This is where the fight nedds to be at WSHS.

I am the poster who mentioned KM being the closest. Those people need to stop talking about the nearby under enrolled high school needing WSHS kids rezoned to it, and start joining the other half of WSHS that is advocating for residency checks.

Daventry families should espcially take note. They are laying low right now because they have not been mentioned on any maps. But there are certain school board members bringing them up in other neighborhood discussions for "next time." Based on the debates on the facebook pages - elementary schools seem to be a hot topic, but the over arching support of residecy checks at the 7th and 9th grade years should be on the forefront, because even neighborhoods who think they are safe, may not be as secure as they assume.

Well, Daventry should never have been added to Irving/WSHS. It was made abundantly clear when that area was developed that there was NOT room at WSHS for them and that they would go to WSES/Key/Lewis. I don't know the politics behind what happened when they got moved to WSHS in the 2010s. But I think they should be first out if WSHS remains overcrowded AFTER residency checks. They could avoid creating a split feeder issue at WS elementary if they moved Daventry to Garfield ES/Key/Lewis. I believe Garfield is at about 75% capacity. That is the real solution (again IF they do residency checks and it doesn't relieve the overcrowding). I'm baffled that it wasn't suggested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the Poster referencing Keene Mill - you do realize Keene Mill is right next to Irving - literally, and much closer to WSHS then some of the other neighborhoods. They also want to rezone neighborhoods further back in cardinal forest to Keene mill. Again these neighborhoods are way closer to irving than other neighborhoods so stop bringing up how Keene Mill is closer to Lewis. Its way more closer to Irving and WSHS. What the board needs to do is do the residency checks and be serious about them and have legal punishments for parents who submit false paperwork showing false addresses. Otherwise those of us who play by the rules will continue to play by the rules but those that dont and have no problem lying really dont seem to care that they lie and get away with it..

The board definitely needs to get serious about residency checks before even one neighborhood gets moved out of WSHS. They can easily do them when a child is submitting their vaccinations before entering Irving. Have parents go through the same checking process (show a bill, etc) that they did when they first registered (usually at the elementary level). Do it again when they transition from Irving to WHSH. It is not that hard!

100% agree.

This is where the fight nedds to be at WSHS.

I am the poster who mentioned KM being the closest. Those people need to stop talking about the nearby under enrolled high school needing WSHS kids rezoned to it, and start joining the other half of WSHS that is advocating for residency checks.

Daventry families should espcially take note. They are laying low right now because they have not been mentioned on any maps. But there are certain school board members bringing them up in other neighborhood discussions for "next time." Based on the debates on the facebook pages - elementary schools seem to be a hot topic, but the over arching support of residecy checks at the 7th and 9th grade years should be on the forefront, because even neighborhoods who think they are safe, may not be as secure as they assume.

Well, Daventry should never have been added to Irving/WSHS. It was made abundantly clear when that area was developed that there was NOT room at WSHS for them and that they would go to WSES/Key/Lewis. I don't know the politics behind what happened when they got moved to WSHS in the 2010s. But I think they should be first out if WSHS remains overcrowded AFTER residency checks. They could avoid creating a split feeder issue at WS elementary if they moved Daventry to Garfield ES/Key/Lewis. I believe Garfield is at about 75% capacity. That is the real solution (again IF they do residency checks and it doesn't relieve the overcrowding). I'm baffled that it wasn't suggested.

I agree 100% and I think there are school board members who do as well, but Daventry has been under the radar this time trying to keep the spotlight off them. Maybe they lawyered up early in the process because it is wild that it was never even on the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the Poster referencing Keene Mill - you do realize Keene Mill is right next to Irving - literally, and much closer to WSHS then some of the other neighborhoods. They also want to rezone neighborhoods further back in cardinal forest to Keene mill. Again these neighborhoods are way closer to irving than other neighborhoods so stop bringing up how Keene Mill is closer to Lewis. Its way more closer to Irving and WSHS. What the board needs to do is do the residency checks and be serious about them and have legal punishments for parents who submit false paperwork showing false addresses. Otherwise those of us who play by the rules will continue to play by the rules but those that dont and have no problem lying really dont seem to care that they lie and get away with it..

Keene Mill could stay at Irving for middle school, then be a split feeder into Lewis.

The plan for Hunt Valley that you want implemented created a split feeder (while over crowding SoCo)

FCPS could just as easily turn Keene Mill into an Irving to Lewis split feeder, especially since it is the closest neighborhood to the "nearby under enrolled high school" that people zoned to the Lewis end of WSHS keep mentioning. If people from the neighborhoods nearest to Lewis want to push moving an entire elementary school to Lewis or turning a neighborhood on the other side of the boundary into a split feeder to Lewis, then they need to realize that will push neighborhoods who so far have only been advocating for residency checks, eliminating transfers into WSHS and leaving the boundaries intact with no one moved in or out, towards advocating instead that since creating split feeders or rezoning entire schools to "the nearby under enrolled" Lewis is on the table, that the neighborhoods on OKM that are minutes from Lewis are the only reasonable option.

No one from Sangster, Hunt Valley or Shannon Station have mentioned this or want this to happen.

But plenty of people in those neighbirhoods nearest to Lewis on OKM have implied that Sangster, Shannon Station and Hunt Valley should take one for the team and accept getting rezoned, always mentioning the "under enrolled nearby high school" being "inequitable" in their arguments.

If filling Lewis is the goal and split feeders or entire elementary schools are on the table, then Keene Mill staying at Irving but splitting to Lewis is the one school rezoning that makes perfect sense.

The Keene Mill neighborhoods are actually equally as close to Lewis as WSHS. It is 5 minutes from Lewis. Making it a split feeder to Lewis makes sense, if FCPS wants to go that route.

If I were on that end of WSHS closest to Lewis, I would stop pushing for one of the schools from the other side of the boundary to get rezoned, and start joining them to fight for a full residency check at WSHS, at the minimum with the rising 9th grade class from Irving.

But if you keep pushing for the other neighborhoods to get rezoned, especially if you are arguing that they should pass by your elementary school and every other elementary school zoned for WSHS to go to Lewis, at some point people are going to point out the obvious, that if FCPS is moving neighborhoods to the "under enrolled nearby high school" and willing to create split feeders to do it, then it should definitely be the neighborhoods 5 minutes/2 miles from Lewis and a straight shot down Old Keene Mill Road.

Enough already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's all so sloppy. Reid revised her recommendations but they haven't updated the boundary explorer tool. Everything Reid and this School Board does is half-assed. FCPS has become an embarrassment, overseen by a bunch of clowns.

Yes! And I believe they used current rather than forecasted population numbers as justification for some moves.