Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Trump actually fell into the Democrats’ trap. They’ve allowed him and his gang of grifters to get more and more comfortable breaking norms and laws without much pushback. And now he’s handed them an impeachable offense on a platter: attempting to convince a foreign government to meddle in America’s election. My assumption is that Pelosi figures that if he did it once in 2016, he would do it again in 2020. And this time Trump has roped in Pence, Barr, Giuliani, and Pompeo.

Democrats could have started the impeachment process a year ago, there was already plenty to work with. However, they decided to wait. Do Republicans ever ask themselves why? In one fell swoop, Democrats can make a credible case that Trump’s cabinet is compromised.

You build a nice case, but honestly, no one on any side made any great plans or strategies. Things are just too complex and unpredictable. Pelosi didn't want her swing-state congresspeople to lose out, that's why she was holding the line on impeachment previously. Trump apparently had this fixation on Ukraine since day 1 and was obsessed with sinking Biden (probably Dem nominee, associated with Obama and Clinton). Pelosi seized the moment when Trump was revealed to have acted rashly regarding Biden, because it just happened to be the time when swing state polls were showing people were tired of Trump and congresspeople there calculated they would be more popular taking a stand than skulking in corners.

It was GOOD TIMING. This is how the world turns, with much less plotting and conspiracy than we think.

PP here:
You make good points. I agree that a lot of this comes down to timing and opportunity. That said, Pelosi was wise enough to know that DJT’s existing crimes were not enough to move the needle. Hence why they waited, as Trump became more and more brazen & careless. Yes, she was trying to protect moderate Dems as their voters seem to not care about POTUS committing crimes that are financial in nature.

However, I would argue that the Democrats must impeach. If they don’t, DJT will continue to solicit foreign actors to meddle in the 2020 election. In that case, I believe Democrats do actually lose. At with impeachment, they can fight back and chart their own destiny. Democrats won’t win if they sit on their hands and let Trump conspire with foreigners.

PP you replied to. YES, I agree with you. Trump had Russia meddle for Clinton, he pushed Ukraine to meddle for Biden, and if we don't stop him he will keep at it and we will lose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Trump actually fell into the Democrats’ trap. They’ve allowed him and his gang of grifters to get more and more comfortable breaking norms and laws without much pushback. And now he’s handed them an impeachable offense on a platter: attempting to convince a foreign government to meddle in America’s election. My assumption is that Pelosi figures that if he did it once in 2016, he would do it again in 2020. And this time Trump has roped in Pence, Barr, Giuliani, and Pompeo.

Democrats could have started the impeachment process a year ago, there was already plenty to work with. However, they decided to wait. Do Republicans ever ask themselves why? In one fell swoop, Democrats can make a credible case that Trump’s cabinet is compromised.

You build a nice case, but honestly, no one on any side made any great plans or strategies. Things are just too complex and unpredictable. Pelosi didn't want her swing-state congresspeople to lose out, that's why she was holding the line on impeachment previously. Trump apparently had this fixation on Ukraine since day 1 and was obsessed with sinking Biden (probably Dem nominee, associated with Obama and Clinton). Pelosi seized the moment when Trump was revealed to have acted rashly regarding Biden, because it just happened to be the time when swing state polls were showing people were tired of Trump and congresspeople there calculated they would be more popular taking a stand than skulking in corners.

It was GOOD TIMING. This is how the world turns, with much less plotting and conspiracy than we think.

PP here:
You make good points. I agree that a lot of this comes down to timing and opportunity. That said, Pelosi was wise enough to know that DJT’s existing crimes were not enough to move the needle. Hence why they waited, as Trump became more and more brazen & careless. Yes, she was trying to protect moderate Dems as their voters seem to not care about POTUS committing crimes that are financial in nature.

However, I would argue that the Democrats must impeach. If they don’t, DJT will continue to solicit foreign actors to meddle in the 2020 election. In that case, I believe Democrats do actually lose. At with impeachment, they can fight back and chart their own destiny. Democrats won’t win if they sit on their hands and let Trump conspire with foreigners.

PP you replied to. YES, I agree with you. Trump had Russia meddle for Clinton, he pushed Ukraine to meddle for Biden, and if we don't stop him he will keep at it and we will lose.

You people are insane.
Can't let go of Russia. And, the idea that Trump was asking for Ukraine's help in investigating the 2016 election seems to have escaped you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Trump actually fell into the Democrats’ trap. They’ve allowed him and his gang of grifters to get more and more comfortable breaking norms and laws without much pushback. And now he’s handed them an impeachable offense on a platter: attempting to convince a foreign government to meddle in America’s election. My assumption is that Pelosi figures that if he did it once in 2016, he would do it again in 2020. And this time Trump has roped in Pence, Barr, Giuliani, and Pompeo.

Democrats could have started the impeachment process a year ago, there was already plenty to work with. However, they decided to wait. Do Republicans ever ask themselves why? In one fell swoop, Democrats can make a credible case that Trump’s cabinet is compromised.

You build a nice case, but honestly, no one on any side made any great plans or strategies. Things are just too complex and unpredictable. Pelosi didn't want her swing-state congresspeople to lose out, that's why she was holding the line on impeachment previously. Trump apparently had this fixation on Ukraine since day 1 and was obsessed with sinking Biden (probably Dem nominee, associated with Obama and Clinton). Pelosi seized the moment when Trump was revealed to have acted rashly regarding Biden, because it just happened to be the time when swing state polls were showing people were tired of Trump and congresspeople there calculated they would be more popular taking a stand than skulking in corners.

It was GOOD TIMING. This is how the world turns, with much less plotting and conspiracy than we think.

PP here:
You make good points. I agree that a lot of this comes down to timing and opportunity. That said, Pelosi was wise enough to know that DJT’s existing crimes were not enough to move the needle. Hence why they waited, as Trump became more and more brazen & careless. Yes, she was trying to protect moderate Dems as their voters seem to not care about POTUS committing crimes that are financial in nature.

However, I would argue that the Democrats must impeach. If they don’t, DJT will continue to solicit foreign actors to meddle in the 2020 election. In that case, I believe Democrats do actually lose. At with impeachment, they can fight back and chart their own destiny. Democrats won’t win if they sit on their hands and let Trump conspire with foreigners.

PP you replied to. YES, I agree with you. Trump had Russia meddle for Clinton, he pushed Ukraine to meddle for Biden, and if we don't stop him he will keep at it and we will lose.

You people are insane.
Can't let go of Russia. And, the idea that Trump was asking for Ukraine's help in investigating the 2016 election seems to have escaped you.

No, Trump was asking for help investigating a conspiracy theory about Democrats and Ukraine in the 2016 election (that the DNC server is in Ukraine and that Cloudstrike, which first concluded that the hack as Russian, was a Ukrainian billionaire's effort to falsely accuse Russia).

[Anonymous]

I have no idea if impeachment is going to help or hurt Trump at the polls. Could go either way. What I AM sure about is that he crossed a line that cannot be ignored, so he has to be impeached.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea if impeachment is going to help or hurt Trump at the polls. Could go either way. What I AM sure about is that he crossed a line that cannot be ignored, so he has to be impeached.

100% agree with this. Impeachment, if warranted, may hurt the dems at the polls, but history will need a marker on this Presidency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Trump actually fell into the Democrats’ trap. They’ve allowed him and his gang of grifters to get more and more comfortable breaking norms and laws without much pushback. And now he’s handed them an impeachable offense on a platter: attempting to convince a foreign government to meddle in America’s election. My assumption is that Pelosi figures that if he did it once in 2016, he would do it again in 2020. And this time Trump has roped in Pence, Barr, Giuliani, and Pompeo.

Democrats could have started the impeachment process a year ago, there was already plenty to work with. However, they decided to wait. Do Republicans ever ask themselves why? In one fell swoop, Democrats can make a credible case that Trump’s cabinet is compromised.

You build a nice case, but honestly, no one on any side made any great plans or strategies. Things are just too complex and unpredictable. Pelosi didn't want her swing-state congresspeople to lose out, that's why she was holding the line on impeachment previously. Trump apparently had this fixation on Ukraine since day 1 and was obsessed with sinking Biden (probably Dem nominee, associated with Obama and Clinton). Pelosi seized the moment when Trump was revealed to have acted rashly regarding Biden, because it just happened to be the time when swing state polls were showing people were tired of Trump and congresspeople there calculated they would be more popular taking a stand than skulking in corners.

It was GOOD TIMING. This is how the world turns, with much less plotting and conspiracy than we think.

PP here:
You make good points. I agree that a lot of this comes down to timing and opportunity. That said, Pelosi was wise enough to know that DJT’s existing crimes were not enough to move the needle. Hence why they waited, as Trump became more and more brazen & careless. Yes, she was trying to protect moderate Dems as their voters seem to not care about POTUS committing crimes that are financial in nature.

However, I would argue that the Democrats must impeach. If they don’t, DJT will continue to solicit foreign actors to meddle in the 2020 election. In that case, I believe Democrats do actually lose. At with impeachment, they can fight back and chart their own destiny. Democrats won’t win if they sit on their hands and let Trump conspire with foreigners.

PP you replied to. YES, I agree with you. Trump had Russia meddle for Clinton, he pushed Ukraine to meddle for Biden, and if we don't stop him he will keep at it and we will lose.

You people are insane.
Can't let go of Russia. And, the idea that Trump was asking for Ukraine's help in investigating the 2016 election seems to have escaped you.

No, Trump was asking for help investigating a conspiracy theory about Democrats and Ukraine in the 2016 election (that the DNC server is in Ukraine and that Cloudstrike, which first concluded that the hack as Russian, was a Ukrainian billionaire's effort to falsely accuse Russia).

So let Ukraine follow through if it’s a conspiracy story. Then Trump can be exposed, right? Crowdstrike put out a story that Ukrainian weapons software was hacked by Russia, killing thousands of Ukrainians. They had to finally admit they were incorrect, so their track record for honesty sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Trump actually fell into the Democrats’ trap. They’ve allowed him and his gang of grifters to get more and more comfortable breaking norms and laws without much pushback. And now he’s handed them an impeachable offense on a platter: attempting to convince a foreign government to meddle in America’s election. My assumption is that Pelosi figures that if he did it once in 2016, he would do it again in 2020. And this time Trump has roped in Pence, Barr, Giuliani, and Pompeo.

Democrats could have started the impeachment process a year ago, there was already plenty to work with. However, they decided to wait. Do Republicans ever ask themselves why? In one fell swoop, Democrats can make a credible case that Trump’s cabinet is compromised.

You build a nice case, but honestly, no one on any side made any great plans or strategies. Things are just too complex and unpredictable. Pelosi didn't want her swing-state congresspeople to lose out, that's why she was holding the line on impeachment previously. Trump apparently had this fixation on Ukraine since day 1 and was obsessed with sinking Biden (probably Dem nominee, associated with Obama and Clinton). Pelosi seized the moment when Trump was revealed to have acted rashly regarding Biden, because it just happened to be the time when swing state polls were showing people were tired of Trump and congresspeople there calculated they would be more popular taking a stand than skulking in corners.

It was GOOD TIMING. This is how the world turns, with much less plotting and conspiracy than we think.

PP here:
You make good points. I agree that a lot of this comes down to timing and opportunity. That said, Pelosi was wise enough to know that DJT’s existing crimes were not enough to move the needle. Hence why they waited, as Trump became more and more brazen & careless. Yes, she was trying to protect moderate Dems as their voters seem to not care about POTUS committing crimes that are financial in nature.

However, I would argue that the Democrats must impeach. If they don’t, DJT will continue to solicit foreign actors to meddle in the 2020 election. In that case, I believe Democrats do actually lose. At with impeachment, they can fight back and chart their own destiny. Democrats won’t win if they sit on their hands and let Trump conspire with foreigners.

PP you replied to. YES, I agree with you. Trump had Russia meddle for Clinton, he pushed Ukraine to meddle for Biden, and if we don't stop him he will keep at it and we will lose.

You people are insane.
Can't let go of Russia. And, the idea that Trump was asking for Ukraine's help in investigating the 2016 election seems to have escaped you.

No, Trump was asking for help investigating a conspiracy theory about Democrats and Ukraine in the 2016 election (that the DNC server is in Ukraine and that Cloudstrike, which first concluded that the hack as Russian, was a Ukrainian billionaire's effort to falsely accuse Russia).

So let Ukraine follow through if it’s a conspiracy story. Then Trump can be exposed, right? Crowdstrike put out a story that Ukrainian weapons software was hacked by Russia, killing thousands of Ukrainians. They had to finally admit they were incorrect, so their track record for honesty sucks.

No one’s buying your GOP-branded crack. Go peddle that on some other corner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nancy, 1998.

Do you not understand the differences between these two situations? You poor dear! How difficult life must be for you.

Yeah. The difference is that Clinton committed a crime. Trump has not.

To be impeached “You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime. It’s about cleansing the office [of the presidency].” —Lindsey Graham

Are you disputing his wisdom?

[Anonymous]

To be impeached “You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime. It’s about cleansing the office [of the presidency].” —Lindsey Graham

Let’s go to the videotape...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

To be impeached “You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime. It’s about cleansing the office [of the presidency].” —Lindsey Graham

Let’s go to the videotape...

Thanks. Lindsey seems to know what he was talking about. Are Republicans going to turn on him now?

[Anonymous]

Interesting analysis on what the Founding Fathers intended by David Jolly (former Republican Congressman)
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/jolly-this-is-the-presidency-that-architects-of-the-impeachment-language-were-worried-about-69777477925

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Trump actually fell into the Democrats’ trap. They’ve allowed him and his gang of grifters to get more and more comfortable breaking norms and laws without much pushback. And now he’s handed them an impeachable offense on a platter: attempting to convince a foreign government to meddle in America’s election. My assumption is that Pelosi figures that if he did it once in 2016, he would do it again in 2020. And this time Trump has roped in Pence, Barr, Giuliani, and Pompeo.

Democrats could have started the impeachment process a year ago, there was already plenty to work with. However, they decided to wait. Do Republicans ever ask themselves why? In one fell swoop, Democrats can make a credible case that Trump’s cabinet is compromised.

You build a nice case, but honestly, no one on any side made any great plans or strategies. Things are just too complex and unpredictable. Pelosi didn't want her swing-state congresspeople to lose out, that's why she was holding the line on impeachment previously. Trump apparently had this fixation on Ukraine since day 1 and was obsessed with sinking Biden (probably Dem nominee, associated with Obama and Clinton). Pelosi seized the moment when Trump was revealed to have acted rashly regarding Biden, because it just happened to be the time when swing state polls were showing people were tired of Trump and congresspeople there calculated they would be more popular taking a stand than skulking in corners.

It was GOOD TIMING. This is how the world turns, with much less plotting and conspiracy than we think.

PP here:
You make good points. I agree that a lot of this comes down to timing and opportunity. That said, Pelosi was wise enough to know that DJT’s existing crimes were not enough to move the needle. Hence why they waited, as Trump became more and more brazen & careless. Yes, she was trying to protect moderate Dems as their voters seem to not care about POTUS committing crimes that are financial in nature.

However, I would argue that the Democrats must impeach. If they don’t, DJT will continue to solicit foreign actors to meddle in the 2020 election. In that case, I believe Democrats do actually lose. At with impeachment, they can fight back and chart their own destiny. Democrats won’t win if they sit on their hands and let Trump conspire with foreigners.

PP you replied to. YES, I agree with you. Trump had Russia meddle for Clinton, he pushed Ukraine to meddle for Biden, and if we don't stop him he will keep at it and we will lose.

You people are insane.
Can't let go of Russia. And, the idea that Trump was asking for Ukraine's help in investigating the 2016 election seems to have escaped you.

No, Trump was asking for help investigating a conspiracy theory about Democrats and Ukraine in the 2016 election (that the DNC server is in Ukraine and that Cloudstrike, which first concluded that the hack as Russian, was a Ukrainian billionaire's effort to falsely accuse Russia).

So let Ukraine follow through if it’s a conspiracy story. Then Trump can be exposed, right? Crowdstrike put out a story that Ukrainian weapons software was hacked by Russia, killing thousands of Ukrainians. They had to finally admit they were incorrect, so their track record for honesty sucks.

That's not true. The corrected the amount of Ukrainian killed not the existence or attribution of the hack. That certainly seems like an obscure bit of disinformation though.

[Anonymous]

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf

redacted whistleblower complaint

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf

redacted whistleblower complaint

Oh FFS! He wasn’t even part of it. Democrats are just f g stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf

redacted whistleblower complaint

Oh FFS! He wasn’t even part of it. Democrats are just f g stupid.

So here is the great divide in America. Someone who can read this complaint and not see how alarming a case it makes is just totally devoid of ethics and understanding of principles and ideals of good governance.