BRYC Girls TD Larry Best leaving for Washington Spirit

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any player leave an existing ECNL or FCV to play for Washington Spirit? What am I missing? Mediocre coaching, really high fees, and no wins? PP mentioned a pipeline for McLean and BRYC players? Why would those kids leave other than being cut? US Soccer award a DA to Great Falls? What’re players getting out of the GDA at this point? ECNL seems to have all the talent aside from those at FCV.

Nobody who has seen WS VA's U15 team would conclude that "ECNL seems to have all the talent."

This is delusional. The WSVA U15 is bereft of talent. Doesn't matter how good the coaching is. The 07 playing up is hurting her development playing in games where she cannot touch the ball. She is a very good player but 3 years up is too many.

"Bereft" is an unnecessary fighting word. Ignore the play up -- that conversation is not even worth having. I suspect some of the U15 players at Spirit who are actually 14-15 will land at other area U15 DA and ECNL teams if Spirit is no longer available. Not all, but several. Stop generalizing. It just shows bias. If you said Spirit "lacks depth" or "lacks a strong player who can finish", etc., people might acknowledge your point. But instead, you're just being a jerk who is spending the day criticizing teenage girls you don't know and haven't watched practice or play more than maybe once, if that.

You are correct the term was inflammatory and I apologize. However, the spirit va fanboy comments are truly delusional. The team is lacking top players period and the poster keeps talking about how the current players will take over other rosters if they fold or that they’re at same level as the other top clubs in the area. It simply isn’t supportable by ANY standard. Can they improve? Sure, but it would take a massive overhaul of the rosters at the younger age groups and a different pipeline than GFR. With all the uncertainty, how will that happen? There are good coaches there but, like everywhere else, not enough of them and what they’re offering overall right now isn’t attractive to the top players. This isn’t hating, it is visible to anyone that is paying attention.

No one in this thread claimed that Spirit players would “take over” other rosters anywhere. They have been very realistic about the unevenness of the talent, some very good players mixed with some players who are improving to the standard. This is one reason why the results aren’t as good as, for example, FCV. Having GFR as a pipeline would help (lots of player population in close proximity to Reston) and ultimately their ability to attract players outside the GFR pipeline hinges on the affiliation with the pro team and improvement of results with time. Both of which aren’t unrealistic at all. If you are paying very close attention, you’d see that even with the unevenness in talent, these teams improve over time and the kids develop. It would be amplified if only the pipeline were in place, and only time will allow them to make up the ground they lost by not having a strong partnership, like the Armour MD, case from the beginning.

Please let us know where your kid plays now, since you seem so uber focused on Spirit VA

Still waiting to hear on where Spirit hater's kid plays....

Why so shy?

Likely because what club he/she is at has nothing to do with this thread. Try to keep on topic please.

Sorry, none of this is actually on topic. But someone who insists on bashing another club, off topic, should share where the vitriol is coming from.

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Spirit VA U15s played Arlington U15s to a 0-0 draw today in Arlington. It was an excellent, well-matched, well-played game with both teams leaning on possession soccer. That Spirit team is no where near as bad as they've been painted in these threads.

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Anonymous wrote:Spirit VA U15s played Arlington U15s to a 0-0 draw today in Arlington. It was an excellent, well-matched, well-played game with both teams leaning on possession soccer. That Spirit team is no where near as bad as they've been painted in these threads.

Arlington playing possession? Lol.

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Everyone in the DA plays possession. That’s real soccer and it what they teach.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any player leave an existing ECNL or FCV to play for Washington Spirit? What am I missing? Mediocre coaching, really high fees, and no wins? PP mentioned a pipeline for McLean and BRYC players? Why would those kids leave other than being cut? US Soccer award a DA to Great Falls? What’re players getting out of the GDA at this point? ECNL seems to have all the talent aside from those at FCV.

Nobody who has seen WS VA's U15 team would conclude that "ECNL seems to have all the talent."

This is delusional. The WSVA U15 is bereft of talent. Doesn't matter how good the coaching is. The 07 playing up is hurting her development playing in games where she cannot touch the ball. She is a very good player but 3 years up is too many.

"Bereft" is an unnecessary fighting word. Ignore the play up -- that conversation is not even worth having. I suspect some of the U15 players at Spirit who are actually 14-15 will land at other area U15 DA and ECNL teams if Spirit is no longer available. Not all, but several. Stop generalizing. It just shows bias. If you said Spirit "lacks depth" or "lacks a strong player who can finish", etc., people might acknowledge your point. But instead, you're just being a jerk who is spending the day criticizing teenage girls you don't know and haven't watched practice or play more than maybe once, if that.

You are correct the term was inflammatory and I apologize. However, the spirit va fanboy comments are truly delusional. The team is lacking top players period and the poster keeps talking about how the current players will take over other rosters if they fold or that they’re at same level as the other top clubs in the area. It simply isn’t supportable by ANY standard. Can they improve? Sure, but it would take a massive overhaul of the rosters at the younger age groups and a different pipeline than GFR. With all the uncertainty, how will that happen? There are good coaches there but, like everywhere else, not enough of them and what they’re offering overall right now isn’t attractive to the top players. This isn’t hating, it is visible to anyone that is paying attention.

No one in this thread claimed that Spirit players would “take over” other rosters anywhere. They have been very realistic about the unevenness of the talent, some very good players mixed with some players who are improving to the standard. This is one reason why the results aren’t as good as, for example, FCV. Having GFR as a pipeline would help (lots of player population in close proximity to Reston) and ultimately their ability to attract players outside the GFR pipeline hinges on the affiliation with the pro team and improvement of results with time. Both of which aren’t unrealistic at all. If you are paying very close attention, you’d see that even with the unevenness in talent, these teams improve over time and the kids develop. It would be amplified if only the pipeline were in place, and only time will allow them to make up the ground they lost by not having a strong partnership, like the Armour MD, case from the beginning.

Please let us know where your kid plays now, since you seem so uber focused on Spirit VA

Still waiting to hear on where Spirit hater's kid plays....

Why so shy?

Likely because what club he/she is at has nothing to do with this thread. Try to keep on topic please.

Sorry, none of this is actually on topic. But someone who insists on bashing another club, off topic, should share where the vitriol is coming from.

Huh?! The competitive state (or rather lack thereof, as it were) is a key factor in the proposed shutdown. It is telling that you interpret this as off topic vitriol.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any player leave an existing ECNL or FCV to play for Washington Spirit? What am I missing? Mediocre coaching, really high fees, and no wins? PP mentioned a pipeline for McLean and BRYC players? Why would those kids leave other than being cut? US Soccer award a DA to Great Falls? What’re players getting out of the GDA at this point? ECNL seems to have all the talent aside from those at FCV.

Nobody who has seen WS VA's U15 team would conclude that "ECNL seems to have all the talent."

This is delusional. The WSVA U15 is bereft of talent. Doesn't matter how good the coaching is. The 07 playing up is hurting her development playing in games where she cannot touch the ball. She is a very good player but 3 years up is too many.

"Bereft" is an unnecessary fighting word. Ignore the play up -- that conversation is not even worth having. I suspect some of the U15 players at Spirit who are actually 14-15 will land at other area U15 DA and ECNL teams if Spirit is no longer available. Not all, but several. Stop generalizing. It just shows bias. If you said Spirit "lacks depth" or "lacks a strong player who can finish", etc., people might acknowledge your point. But instead, you're just being a jerk who is spending the day criticizing teenage girls you don't know and haven't watched practice or play more than maybe once, if that.

You are correct the term was inflammatory and I apologize. However, the spirit va fanboy comments are truly delusional. The team is lacking top players period and the poster keeps talking about how the current players will take over other rosters if they fold or that they’re at same level as the other top clubs in the area. It simply isn’t supportable by ANY standard. Can they improve? Sure, but it would take a massive overhaul of the rosters at the younger age groups and a different pipeline than GFR. With all the uncertainty, how will that happen? There are good coaches there but, like everywhere else, not enough of them and what they’re offering overall right now isn’t attractive to the top players. This isn’t hating, it is visible to anyone that is paying attention.

No one in this thread claimed that Spirit players would “take over” other rosters anywhere. They have been very realistic about the unevenness of the talent, some very good players mixed with some players who are improving to the standard. This is one reason why the results aren’t as good as, for example, FCV. Having GFR as a pipeline would help (lots of player population in close proximity to Reston) and ultimately their ability to attract players outside the GFR pipeline hinges on the affiliation with the pro team and improvement of results with time. Both of which aren’t unrealistic at all. If you are paying very close attention, you’d see that even with the unevenness in talent, these teams improve over time and the kids develop. It would be amplified if only the pipeline were in place, and only time will allow them to make up the ground they lost by not having a strong partnership, like the Armour MD, case from the beginning.

Please let us know where your kid plays now, since you seem so uber focused on Spirit VA

Still waiting to hear on where Spirit hater's kid plays....

Why so shy?

Likely because what club he/she is at has nothing to do with this thread. Try to keep on topic please.

Sorry, none of this is actually on topic. But someone who insists on bashing another club, off topic, should share where the vitriol is coming from.

Huh?! The competitive state (or rather lack thereof, as it were) is a key factor in the proposed shutdown. It is telling that you interpret this as off topic vitriol.

Two things:

1. You have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s about the new owner’s desire to ditch the youth soccer programming
2. The topic is Larry’s hiring and its impact.

I get that you have a deep dislike for Spirit and want to use this forum as a podium, Mr/Mrs Sock Puppet, but your posts are complete rubbish

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Anonymous wrote:Spirit VA U15s played Arlington U15s to a 0-0 draw today in Arlington. It was an excellent, well-matched, well-played game with both teams leaning on possession soccer. That Spirit team is no where near as bad as they've been painted in these threads.

They aren’t playing the 2007 on that team anymore. Guess one player can have that big an impact.

It’s really not her fault though....even for an excellent player, it’s tough when girls have three years of maturity on you at those ages.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in the DA plays possession. That’s real soccer and it what they teach.

I watched the Spirit U19s game today. I saw the full game and they did not play possession. They played long balls out of the back. I saw some of the Spirit U17 game. That was mixed. Some possession with some long balls. They had less talent, but we're trying to play a possession game.

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Anonymous wrote:Spirit MD is Pipeline and SAC. Two of the best youth U9-13 clubs in MD.
MD was not a startup. It was a rebranding. Two different things.

Plus, they are not close to Betheada or MD United. So they retain their player pool.

Let's be fair in the assessments.

Yes, but this just confirms that this individual knows nothing about WS and likely DA and youth soccer in this area in general.

That would be incorrect.

The fact is the WS-VA has failed to attract the talent necessary to be competitive. They had some disadvantages, to be sure. Unlike the MD side they were unable to bring an established dominant force in girls youth soccer into the fold. If Mclean, Loudoun, FCV, Arlington or BRYC had been willing to accept the same deal as Armour, WS-VA would be doing just fine.

On top of their disadvantages though, they've also mismanaged things. The coaching has not been great. Anyone who has seen their teams play (and knows anything about the game) can see that they are not effectivly teaching them to play out of the back, play through the 3rds, and in general play the way that is actually best for development. Their CBs first option is to clear the ball long, not control it and look for a MF or WB to feet. They look like they feel "pressure" when better (coached) players would feel in control.

On top of that they have bloated rosters, which they have dealt with by playing a significant # of players up in older age groups, all of which has had an effect on results.
Lets be real. DC United doesn't do that. Bethesda doesn't do that. None of the successful girls DA's do that. All of them will play players up when it is appropriate for the development -- they wouldn't be sufficiently challenged in their own age groups -- but it is not the norm.

No other DA in the country has such poor results combined with that high # of play-ups.

They have made a mess of things, and it's a damn shame. There are a lot of talented and dedicated players who bought what they've been selling, and the price has been quite high. I wish them all the best of luck in the future.

Maybe WS can turn it around. I hope they can. But it will require a change of leadership, and a completely revamped approach. That does not seem to be happening.

This is the most accurate post I have seen. It's not Spirit hate, though some will say that just to brush it off. I it's a genuine analysis of facts on the ground reality. That may be hard for some to hear, but it doesn't make it any less true.

DP, but yeah. And although no one had asked, my DD plays for VDA 03. That works for us because of location and commute time, but I was not happy when they left DA.

WS was always tempting, because I think it's beyond cool for girls to have such access to professional women athletes as role models, but the Virginia organization has not been well managed, and they don't play good football. That's not the players fault.

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Anonymous wrote:Spirit VA U15s played Arlington U15s to a 0-0 draw today in Arlington. It was an excellent, well-matched, well-played game with both teams leaning on possession soccer. That Spirit team is no where near as bad as they've been painted in these threads.

They aren’t playing the 2007 on that team anymore. Guess one player can have that big an impact.

It’s really not her fault though....even for an excellent player, it’s tough when girls have three years of maturity on you at those ages.

Moms twitter suggests she played today. Just sayin

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Sock puppet at it again on this thread. The posts are telling

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What access? They have lunch with them?

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Anonymous wrote:Spirit VA U15s played Arlington U15s to a 0-0 draw today in Arlington. It was an excellent, well-matched, well-played game with both teams leaning on possession soccer. That Spirit team is no where near as bad as they've been painted in these threads.

They aren’t playing the 2007 on that team anymore. Guess one player can have that big an impact.

It’s really not her fault though....even for an excellent player, it’s tough when girls have three years of maturity on you at those ages.

She did play as a sub today, and credit where it’s due, she had a positive impact despite being a lot smaller than the opposing players.

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Anonymous wrote:Spirit VA U15s played Arlington U15s to a 0-0 draw today in Arlington. It was an excellent, well-matched, well-played game with both teams leaning on possession soccer. That Spirit team is no where near as bad as they've been painted in these threads.

They aren’t playing the 2007 on that team anymore. Guess one player can have that big an impact.

It’s really not her fault though....even for an excellent player, it’s tough when girls have three years of maturity on you at those ages.

She did play as a sub today, and credit where it’s due, she had a positive impact despite being a lot smaller than the opposing players.

Even more impressive, keeping even with Arlington with that kind of handicap. But, rah, rah lousy football and all that jazz. Gotta keep the party line in here, you know.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in the DA plays possession. That’s real soccer and it what they teach.

You think everyone in the DA plays possession? Well, either one of two things must be true. 1) you have no idea what possession soccer looks like 2) you have not watched many, if any, DA games. You also must think college soccer is possession soccer.