How does Trayon White still have a job?

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Anonymous wrote:Black person here. Keep in mind that this is an anonymous forum, so it's impossible to know whether people are who they say they are. IRL, I honestly have not heard of any resentment towards Jews by other AAs.

I grew up in the South and did not really know any Jewish people growing up, never learned about the Holocaust in school, and really didn't meet any self-identified Jews until grad school. My Jewish classmates basically schooled me on a lot of things at that time. At worst I've possibly detected indifference towards Jews among a segment of AAs (again, particularly in the South) but not outright anti-Semitism, especially among people who grew up as I did in predominantly AA settings where people don't know Jews or know much about their history, and some may see them as just another group of white people. However, I currently live in a black and Jewish neighborhood in DC where everyone gets along wonderfully. I like that our kids are growing up learning about each other's cultures, history, holidays, etc.

Also, please keep in mind that the people who post here are not necessarily representative of a community's sentiments towards a particular group of people--opinions on the Internet come with a large selection bias.

I am a [liberal] Jew who also grew up in the South. I didn't have meaningful interactions with large numbers of black people until I became a personal trainer and started working in a gym in my 20s. I think this may be different for blacks and Jews who grew up in cities where both groups had large numbers and lived together in working-class communities in the 1920s-60s. In the South, the Jewish population has always been very small, outside of a handful of large cities.

I do think it gives me a different perspective, however, when I hear the argument that white people have all been turning a blind eye to police brutality and other blatant discrimination in the black community. Until the advent of the internet, we really didn't hear much about it. Black people experienced it every day, but white people only heard about particularly egregious incidents in their communities. A lot of people of color don't believe that; they believe because the discrimination was so prevalent all these years, we white people just didn't care enough about it to fight it. But you readily admit you knew little or nothing about Jews and anti-semitism because you hadn't experienced the world as a Jew or as someone who interacted much with Jewish people. Why is it so hard to believe that a lot of white people, including white liberals, are only in the last few years being "schooled" (as this PP calls it) in the extent and brutality of discrimination against AAs and people of color in the US? The internet has allowed us to see these incidents in bulk, in real time, and from all over the US, even if we don't personally know a lot of African Americans.

As a black person, I hear you and I understand the point you are making. It makes sense to me that the information highway has been super effective in delivering these egregious incidents into our living rooms and kitchen table discussions. You are spot-on, the advent of the internet has changed the way we view the world - police brutality and discrimination against black people is a stark example.

I guess I do take a small issue with you in terms of what many white people knew about this brutality and discrimination. The black issues you identified have been around for a long, long time. Well before the internet. The Civil Rights Movement began in the early 50's and lasted through the late 60's. The reason why the movement was so effective is because it was broadcast by TV and radio into living rooms and kitchen tables. People knew about the issues - indeed, the world knew the issues and America was embarrassed on a daily basis. Then, it was the TV - now, it's the internet, as you rightly described, above. There were no "blind eyes" then or now. So, IMO, the comparison you're making is not valid.

You don't have to believe it, but much as my community brought in Holocaust survivors and Russian refusniks to talk about anti-semitism and discrimination against Jews, your community taught you about the civil rights movement in all its detail (and probably lynchings, police brutality, etc.) when you were a kid in the 1980s and these things were no longer in the news. All I knew about the civil rights movement was that it happened and it was over. I was, indeed, an adult before I even heard there was a counter-narrative to that, much less about ongoing police brutality, the school-to-prison pipeline, etc.. I know that seems impossible coming from your perspective, but it was hard for me to understand how someone could really, truly, not know anything about Jews or Judaism.

I'm one of the black PPs from the south. Part of it may be that one group (Jews) is only ~1-2% of the US population, and the other (AAs) has a prevalence in the US of about six times that amount (12%). So it sort of makes sense, aside from any other differences, that many don't know much about Jews/Judaism, but are more familiar with AA history/culture.

Jew here. Even more than the fact that we are only 2% of the population (less, even ), we are clustered in cities. In rural areas, you can drive 100 miles without running into a Jew. That means that rural folks can live well into adulthood without even meeting a Jew.

I told the following story in this forum befor and and was told I was lying, but here goes: When I was in high school (MoCo) in the mid 70s, a girl moved into town, we got to talking, it came out that I was Jewish, and her mouth dropped open "But you don't have horns. I was told that Jews have horns!" She was so out of touch that she didn't even realize how insulting this was - she just thought this was a physical trait specific to Jews.

I swear to G-d.

PP here. Sorry this happened to you. What a bizarre belief--I actually never heard this about this horns thing until recently years, possibly here or other online sources, and I still don't really have a context for it. I mean, why would this make sense that a group of people have horns? No need to address; I'm just expressing shock.

Was she from a rural area? Seems it might be more common in areas hospitable to KKK or similar.

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Anonymous wrote:Black person here. Keep in mind that this is an anonymous forum, so it's impossible to know whether people are who they say they are. IRL, I honestly have not heard of any resentment towards Jews by other AAs.

I grew up in the South and did not really know any Jewish people growing up, never learned about the Holocaust in school, and really didn't meet any self-identified Jews until grad school. My Jewish classmates basically schooled me on a lot of things at that time. At worst I've possibly detected indifference towards Jews among a segment of AAs (again, particularly in the South) but not outright anti-Semitism, especially among people who grew up as I did in predominantly AA settings where people don't know Jews or know much about their history, and some may see them as just another group of white people. However, I currently live in a black and Jewish neighborhood in DC where everyone gets along wonderfully. I like that our kids are growing up learning about each other's cultures, history, holidays, etc.

Also, please keep in mind that the people who post here are not necessarily representative of a community's sentiments towards a particular group of people--opinions on the Internet come with a large selection bias.

I am a [liberal] Jew who also grew up in the South. I didn't have meaningful interactions with large numbers of black people until I became a personal trainer and started working in a gym in my 20s. I think this may be different for blacks and Jews who grew up in cities where both groups had large numbers and lived together in working-class communities in the 1920s-60s. In the South, the Jewish population has always been very small, outside of a handful of large cities.

I do think it gives me a different perspective, however, when I hear the argument that white people have all been turning a blind eye to police brutality and other blatant discrimination in the black community. Until the advent of the internet, we really didn't hear much about it. Black people experienced it every day, but white people only heard about particularly egregious incidents in their communities. A lot of people of color don't believe that; they believe because the discrimination was so prevalent all these years, we white people just didn't care enough about it to fight it. But you readily admit you knew little or nothing about Jews and anti-semitism because you hadn't experienced the world as a Jew or as someone who interacted much with Jewish people. Why is it so hard to believe that a lot of white people, including white liberals, are only in the last few years being "schooled" (as this PP calls it) in the extent and brutality of discrimination against AAs and people of color in the US? The internet has allowed us to see these incidents in bulk, in real time, and from all over the US, even if we don't personally know a lot of African Americans.

As a black person, I hear you and I understand the point you are making. It makes sense to me that the information highway has been super effective in delivering these egregious incidents into our living rooms and kitchen table discussions. You are spot-on, the advent of the internet has changed the way we view the world - police brutality and discrimination against black people is a stark example.

I guess I do take a small issue with you in terms of what many white people knew about this brutality and discrimination. The black issues you identified have been around for a long, long time. Well before the internet. The Civil Rights Movement began in the early 50's and lasted through the late 60's. The reason why the movement was so effective is because it was broadcast by TV and radio into living rooms and kitchen tables. People knew about the issues - indeed, the world knew the issues and America was embarrassed on a daily basis. Then, it was the TV - now, it's the internet, as you rightly described, above. There were no "blind eyes" then or now. So, IMO, the comparison you're making is not valid.

You don't have to believe it, but much as my community brought in Holocaust survivors and Russian refusniks to talk about anti-semitism and discrimination against Jews, your community taught you about the civil rights movement in all its detail (and probably lynchings, police brutality, etc.) when you were a kid in the 1980s and these things were no longer in the news. All I knew about the civil rights movement was that it happened and it was over. I was, indeed, an adult before I even heard there was a counter-narrative to that, much less about ongoing police brutality, the school-to-prison pipeline, etc.. I know that seems impossible coming from your perspective, but it was hard for me to understand how someone could really, truly, not know anything about Jews or Judaism.

I'm one of the black PPs from the south. Part of it may be that one group (Jews) is only ~1-2% of the US population, and the other (AAs) has a prevalence in the US of about six times that amount (12%). So it sort of makes sense, aside from any other differences, that many don't know much about Jews/Judaism, but are more familiar with AA history/culture.

Jew here. Even more than the fact that we are only 2% of the population (less, even ), we are clustered in cities. In rural areas, you can drive 100 miles without running into a Jew. That means that rural folks can live well into adulthood without even meeting a Jew.

I told the following story in this forum befor and and was told I was lying, but here goes: When I was in high school (MoCo) in the mid 70s, a girl moved into town, we got to talking, it came out that I was Jewish, and her mouth dropped open "But you don't have horns. I was told that Jews have horns!" She was so out of touch that she didn't even realize how insulting this was - she just thought this was a physical trait specific to Jews.

I swear to G-d.

PP here. Sorry this happened to you. What a bizarre belief--I actually never heard this about this horns thing until recently years, possibly here or other online sources, and I still don't really have a context for it. I mean, why would this make sense that a group of people have horns? No need to address; I'm just expressing shock.

Was she from a rural area? Seems it might be more common in areas hospitable to KKK or similar.

My mom tells the story of a similar thing happening when her suburban Philadelphia high school class took a trip to ... somewhere in Texas (can't recall where) in the mid-1960s. People wanted to know how they hid their horns.

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Anonymous wrote:Black person here. Keep in mind that this is an anonymous forum, so it's impossible to know whether people are who they say they are. IRL, I honestly have not heard of any resentment towards Jews by other AAs.

I grew up in the South and did not really know any Jewish people growing up, never learned about the Holocaust in school, and really didn't meet any self-identified Jews until grad school. My Jewish classmates basically schooled me on a lot of things at that time. At worst I've possibly detected indifference towards Jews among a segment of AAs (again, particularly in the South) but not outright anti-Semitism, especially among people who grew up as I did in predominantly AA settings where people don't know Jews or know much about their history, and some may see them as just another group of white people. However, I currently live in a black and Jewish neighborhood in DC where everyone gets along wonderfully. I like that our kids are growing up learning about each other's cultures, history, holidays, etc.

Also, please keep in mind that the people who post here are not necessarily representative of a community's sentiments towards a particular group of people--opinions on the Internet come with a large selection bias.

I am a [liberal] Jew who also grew up in the South. I didn't have meaningful interactions with large numbers of black people until I became a personal trainer and started working in a gym in my 20s. I think this may be different for blacks and Jews who grew up in cities where both groups had large numbers and lived together in working-class communities in the 1920s-60s. In the South, the Jewish population has always been very small, outside of a handful of large cities.

I do think it gives me a different perspective, however, when I hear the argument that white people have all been turning a blind eye to police brutality and other blatant discrimination in the black community. Until the advent of the internet, we really didn't hear much about it. Black people experienced it every day, but white people only heard about particularly egregious incidents in their communities. A lot of people of color don't believe that; they believe because the discrimination was so prevalent all these years, we white people just didn't care enough about it to fight it. But you readily admit you knew little or nothing about Jews and anti-semitism because you hadn't experienced the world as a Jew or as someone who interacted much with Jewish people. Why is it so hard to believe that a lot of white people, including white liberals, are only in the last few years being "schooled" (as this PP calls it) in the extent and brutality of discrimination against AAs and people of color in the US? The internet has allowed us to see these incidents in bulk, in real time, and from all over the US, even if we don't personally know a lot of African Americans.

As a black person, I hear you and I understand the point you are making. It makes sense to me that the information highway has been super effective in delivering these egregious incidents into our living rooms and kitchen table discussions. You are spot-on, the advent of the internet has changed the way we view the world - police brutality and discrimination against black people is a stark example.

I guess I do take a small issue with you in terms of what many white people knew about this brutality and discrimination. The black issues you identified have been around for a long, long time. Well before the internet. The Civil Rights Movement began in the early 50's and lasted through the late 60's. The reason why the movement was so effective is because it was broadcast by TV and radio into living rooms and kitchen tables. People knew about the issues - indeed, the world knew the issues and America was embarrassed on a daily basis. Then, it was the TV - now, it's the internet, as you rightly described, above. There were no "blind eyes" then or now. So, IMO, the comparison you're making is not valid.

You don't have to believe it, but much as my community brought in Holocaust survivors and Russian refusniks to talk about anti-semitism and discrimination against Jews, your community taught you about the civil rights movement in all its detail (and probably lynchings, police brutality, etc.) when you were a kid in the 1980s and these things were no longer in the news. All I knew about the civil rights movement was that it happened and it was over. I was, indeed, an adult before I even heard there was a counter-narrative to that, much less about ongoing police brutality, the school-to-prison pipeline, etc.. I know that seems impossible coming from your perspective, but it was hard for me to understand how someone could really, truly, not know anything about Jews or Judaism.

I'm one of the black PPs from the south. Part of it may be that one group (Jews) is only ~1-2% of the US population, and the other (AAs) has a prevalence in the US of about six times that amount (12%). So it sort of makes sense, aside from any other differences, that many don't know much about Jews/Judaism, but are more familiar with AA history/culture.

Jew here. Even more than the fact that we are only 2% of the population (less, even ), we are clustered in cities. In rural areas, you can drive 100 miles without running into a Jew. That means that rural folks can live well into adulthood without even meeting a Jew.

I told the following story in this forum befor and and was told I was lying, but here goes: When I was in high school (MoCo) in the mid 70s, a girl moved into town, we got to talking, it came out that I was Jewish, and her mouth dropped open "But you don't have horns. I was told that Jews have horns!" She was so out of touch that she didn't even realize how insulting this was - she just thought this was a physical trait specific to Jews.

I swear to G-d.

PP here. Sorry this happened to you. What a bizarre belief--I actually never heard this about this horns thing until recently years, possibly here or other online sources, and I still don't really have a context for it. I mean, why would this make sense that a group of people have horns? No need to address; I'm just expressing shock.

Was she from a rural area? Seems it might be more common in areas hospitable to KKK or similar.

I don't remember where she was from, but it's a safe bet she was from a rural area.

I can tell you where the "horns" myth comes, though. Apparently, the word for "horns" and some other descriptor are very close in a language (Hebrew? Aramaic?) in an early rendition of the bible, and it was misinterpreted. There is a famous statue of Moses in Rome, and it was sculptured with little horns. I was there....I saw it.

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Anonymous wrote:Black person here. Keep in mind that this is an anonymous forum, so it's impossible to know whether people are who they say they are. IRL, I honestly have not heard of any resentment towards Jews by other AAs.

I grew up in the South and did not really know any Jewish people growing up, never learned about the Holocaust in school, and really didn't meet any self-identified Jews until grad school. My Jewish classmates basically schooled me on a lot of things at that time. At worst I've possibly detected indifference towards Jews among a segment of AAs (again, particularly in the South) but not outright anti-Semitism, especially among people who grew up as I did in predominantly AA settings where people don't know Jews or know much about their history, and some may see them as just another group of white people. However, I currently live in a black and Jewish neighborhood in DC where everyone gets along wonderfully. I like that our kids are growing up learning about each other's cultures, history, holidays, etc.

Also, please keep in mind that the people who post here are not necessarily representative of a community's sentiments towards a particular group of people--opinions on the Internet come with a large selection bias.

I am a [liberal] Jew who also grew up in the South. I didn't have meaningful interactions with large numbers of black people until I became a personal trainer and started working in a gym in my 20s. I think this may be different for blacks and Jews who grew up in cities where both groups had large numbers and lived together in working-class communities in the 1920s-60s. In the South, the Jewish population has always been very small, outside of a handful of large cities.

I do think it gives me a different perspective, however, when I hear the argument that white people have all been turning a blind eye to police brutality and other blatant discrimination in the black community. Until the advent of the internet, we really didn't hear much about it. Black people experienced it every day, but white people only heard about particularly egregious incidents in their communities. A lot of people of color don't believe that; they believe because the discrimination was so prevalent all these years, we white people just didn't care enough about it to fight it. But you readily admit you knew little or nothing about Jews and anti-semitism because you hadn't experienced the world as a Jew or as someone who interacted much with Jewish people. Why is it so hard to believe that a lot of white people, including white liberals, are only in the last few years being "schooled" (as this PP calls it) in the extent and brutality of discrimination against AAs and people of color in the US? The internet has allowed us to see these incidents in bulk, in real time, and from all over the US, even if we don't personally know a lot of African Americans.

As a black person, I hear you and I understand the point you are making. It makes sense to me that the information highway has been super effective in delivering these egregious incidents into our living rooms and kitchen table discussions. You are spot-on, the advent of the internet has changed the way we view the world - police brutality and discrimination against black people is a stark example.

I guess I do take a small issue with you in terms of what many white people knew about this brutality and discrimination. The black issues you identified have been around for a long, long time. Well before the internet. The Civil Rights Movement began in the early 50's and lasted through the late 60's. The reason why the movement was so effective is because it was broadcast by TV and radio into living rooms and kitchen tables. People knew about the issues - indeed, the world knew the issues and America was embarrassed on a daily basis. Then, it was the TV - now, it's the internet, as you rightly described, above. There were no "blind eyes" then or now. So, IMO, the comparison you're making is not valid.

You don't have to believe it, but much as my community brought in Holocaust survivors and Russian refusniks to talk about anti-semitism and discrimination against Jews, your community taught you about the civil rights movement in all its detail (and probably lynchings, police brutality, etc.) when you were a kid in the 1980s and these things were no longer in the news. All I knew about the civil rights movement was that it happened and it was over. I was, indeed, an adult before I even heard there was a counter-narrative to that, much less about ongoing police brutality, the school-to-prison pipeline, etc.. I know that seems impossible coming from your perspective, but it was hard for me to understand how someone could really, truly, not know anything about Jews or Judaism.

I'm one of the black PPs from the south. Part of it may be that one group (Jews) is only ~1-2% of the US population, and the other (AAs) has a prevalence in the US of about six times that amount (12%). So it sort of makes sense, aside from any other differences, that many don't know much about Jews/Judaism, but are more familiar with AA history/culture.

Jew here. Even more than the fact that we are only 2% of the population (less, even ), we are clustered in cities. In rural areas, you can drive 100 miles without running into a Jew. That means that rural folks can live well into adulthood without even meeting a Jew.

I told the following story in this forum befor and and was told I was lying, but here goes: When I was in high school (MoCo) in the mid 70s, a girl moved into town, we got to talking, it came out that I was Jewish, and her mouth dropped open "But you don't have horns. I was told that Jews have horns!" She was so out of touch that she didn't even realize how insulting this was - she just thought this was a physical trait specific to Jews.

I swear to G-d.

PP here. Sorry this happened to you. What a bizarre belief--I actually never heard this about this horns thing until recently years, possibly here or other online sources, and I still don't really have a context for it. I mean, why would this make sense that a group of people have horns? No need to address; I'm just expressing shock.

Was she from a rural area? Seems it might be more common in areas hospitable to KKK or similar.

My mom tells the story of a similar thing happening when her suburban Philadelphia high school class took a trip to ... somewhere in Texas (can't recall where) in the mid-1960s. People wanted to know how they hid their horns.

Black guy from the rural South, here. Never heard of anything like this. Sounds absolutely disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Avi Meyer on Twitter: Germany, 2018: The President of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Josef Schuster, has warned Jews not to wear kippot (Jewish skullcaps) in major German cities due to the threat of antisemitic attacks. (Die Zeit)

Affects Jews in Metropolitan DC how?

My friend faced the same with her son. The boys in his middle school (middle school boys are the worst) were mocking and insulting him about his yamulke, and she and her husband (both Orthodox Jews) actually told him he didn't have to wear it to school. To the boy's credit, he did not want to back down to the antisemttic kids and hand them a win, and he wore it. Eventually the teasing stopped since it wasn't getting the desired effect, but they did transfer their son to a Jewish private school the following year. This was in a neighborhood bordering the DC line.

I tell you this story because I can tell by your compassionate response that you would sympathize.

I definitely sympathize.
I also sympathize with gays and transgenders who are experiencing an uptick in assaults in the District.
I also sympathize with the homeless who are experiencing an uptick in assaults in the District.
I also sympathize with the residents of Ward 8 who are experiencing an uptick in unemployment and poverty and the accompanying violence that results from those conditions.
Councilmember White may be outright ignorant when it comes to Jews and gays and transgenders and maybe even the homeless throughout the entire city but I give him credit for genuinely caring about his constituents in Ward 8.

Actually, this means that Trayon is even less competent than it seems. Currently, the US is approaching what economists consider full employment level. The unemployment rate among African Americans is at an all-time low. DC's economy is booming, and tax collections are at record levels. The fact that Ward 8 is not participating in much of this reflects how little the council member prioritizes attracting investment, economic development, reducing red tape and emphasizing skills development in his ward. "Genuinely caring" doesn't cut it. And clearly, Trayon genuinely cares more about Minister Farrakhan than actually using his constituent services fund to help... his constituents! (Now there's a novel thought.)

+1. The guy shouldn't even be elected dog catcher.

+ 2. It's been two generations since Marion Barry, and the people in Ward 8 haven't made any progress. With record low black unemployment, how is it going up? Total incompetence.

It hasn't been two generations since Marion Barry -- he died in 2014 and was the sitting councilmember there at the time.

He served on the Ciry Council beginning in 1974 - 44 years ago.

Stop. You're lack of knowledge of this situation is embarrassing. I mean this sincerely.

Barry won a seat on the newly formed DC Council in 1974 - 44 years ago, as I said. The point is that with all his public service, including his mayoral seat starting in 1979, black people in Ward 8 have made no progress - and this Trayon White idiot can't even turn it around despite record low black unemployment. I wasn't the poster who said he shouldn't even be dog-catcher, but I echo those sentiments. Dump the guy.

http://dccouncil.us/pages/marion-barry-memoriam

If Mr white can't turn ward 8 around , his constituents will have to decide what to do with him , unless you think you know what's better for them than they do , your concern trolling reeks of desperation

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I had no idea the people I have been standing side-by-side with for all of these years had so much anger towards me.

-Signed, liberal Jew.

Wow! I am SO glad to hear a liberal Jew you say this. All I am seeing on this site is a seething resentment and anger from blacks toward Jews, and I too have done much to help black people - including generous donations to a program that helps poor black children in particular. (Even more ironic is that when you bring up Jewish generosity toward blacks, you're hit with more anger about patronizing attitudes and comments like "so you Jews think we blacks need help? Well we don't need help from YOU!"

This case with Trayon White has revealed the seething hostility - yes, antisemtism - from blacks toward Jews. I suspected it existed to some degree, but what I've seen here goes far beyond.

Are you truly sure you are reacting to the sentiments of black people? I'm a black male and I have posted repeatedly that White was dead wrong and he should resign. I've seen posts were other black people said the same.

Sockpuppets have a real presence on this and other internet forums - for the purpose of fanning flames and division. They are BUSY.

All I'm saying is please be careful and discerning about who/what you think you are responding to on this and other online/anonymous forums.

Fellow AA here , that you think Mr white was wrong and should resign is your prerogative but neither should be taken as the truth .

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I had no idea the people I have been standing side-by-side with for all of these years had so much anger towards me.

-Signed, liberal Jew.

Wow! I am SO glad to hear a liberal Jew you say this. All I am seeing on this site is a seething resentment and anger from blacks toward Jews, and I too have done much to help black people - including generous donations to a program that helps poor black children in particular. (Even more ironic is that when you bring up Jewish generosity toward blacks, you're hit with more anger about patronizing attitudes and comments like "so you Jews think we blacks need help? Well we don't need help from YOU!"

This case with Trayon White has revealed the seething hostility - yes, antisemtism - from blacks toward Jews. I suspected it existed to some degree, but what I've seen here goes far beyond.

Are you truly sure you are reacting to the sentiments of black people? I'm a black male and I have posted repeatedly that White was dead wrong and he should resign. I've seen posts were other black people said the same.

Sockpuppets have a real presence on this and other internet forums - for the purpose of fanning flames and division. They are BUSY.

All I'm saying is please be careful and discerning about who/what you think you are responding to on this and other online/anonymous forums.

Fellow AA here , that you think Mr white was wrong and should resign is your prerogative but neither should be taken as the truth .

Fair enough. I appreciate your perspective. We see this issue differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I had no idea the people I have been standing side-by-side with for all of these years had so much anger towards me.

-Signed, liberal Jew.

Wow! I am SO glad to hear a liberal Jew you say this. All I am seeing on this site is a seething resentment and anger from blacks toward Jews, and I too have done much to help black people - including generous donations to a program that helps poor black children in particular. (Even more ironic is that when you bring up Jewish generosity toward blacks, you're hit with more anger about patronizing attitudes and comments like "so you Jews think we blacks need help? Well we don't need help from YOU!"

This case with Trayon White has revealed the seething hostility - yes, antisemtism - from blacks toward Jews. I suspected it existed to some degree, but what I've seen here goes far beyond.

Are you truly sure you are reacting to the sentiments of black people? I'm a black male and I have posted repeatedly that White was dead wrong and he should resign. I've seen posts were other black people said the same.

Sockpuppets have a real presence on this and other internet forums - for the purpose of fanning flames and division. They are BUSY.

All I'm saying is please be careful and discerning about who/what you think you are responding to on this and other online/anonymous forums.

I appreciate your post, and it's possible that the people showing themselves as angry and antisemtitc black males - which they do in their posts - are not who they pretend to be. Still, the hatred and resentment they exoress is so visceral at a gut level that I tend to believe it is real.

That said, you'll note that I did not say I am reconsidering my donations to the program helping poor black children, as I don't want to punish children for the prejudice of their parents. Still, it does take discipline for me to continue my support when that help is attacked as being "patronizing." I'm not asking for accolades for donating to black causes, but I don't expect to be attacked for it either.

Finally, your poat provides nice counterpoint to the seeming black-hatred-for-Jews posts I've been seeing, and is very reassuring. Thank you.

I'm not much of a religious person , but I do remember In catholic school being told that generosity should be pure , unconditional and uninterested . We were explicitly told that helping someone shouldn't come with the expectation of a thank you or some kind of payback in the future . I'm not sure what Judaism says about generosity , but it appears that in your case you're not the magnanimous, benevolent , do-gooder that you've convinced yourself to be . Unlike you , i would never remind anyone or any entity with whom I have a disagreement with about my charitable giving
Did it ever occur to you that your ability to make those donations is due in part to you benefiting from the white supremacy and its attendant structural racism due to your lack of pigmentation? Sort of proves the whole point that your life in America hasn't been anywhere near as harsh , tragic and violent (continuously ) as that of AAs doesn't it? Does it ever occur to you that if America had lived up to what it says it is as country then the donations of individuals like you and your thinly veiled superiority complex wouldn't have been needed ?

[Anonymous]

I have no tolerance for bigots of any stripe.

This moron (White) is no better than the alt-right assholes we've seen parading about here & there.

They're all garbage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I get that more and more swastikas being spray painted on synagogues is distressing. I get that more and more Jews being beat up by hateful bigots is disturbing. But I’d be remiss not to point out that those increasing hate crimes are being committed by civilians not the state and it was the state that carried out the Holocaust in 1930’s Germany.

Is the state still persecuting you in America today?

You ever had somebody call the cops on you simply because you’re Jewish? You ever had the police tell you and your kippot wearing friends to “move along or we’re going to arrest you” simply because you’re Jewish? You ever had an officer pull you over because of the Star of David decal on your SUV? You ever had a judge hand down a harsh sentence on you because your last name denotes that you’re Jewish and turn you over to a corrupt criminal justice system that profits from your people’s pain? You ever have your congressional district redrawn to dilute the value of your vote just because of it’s large Jewish population? You ever had problems trying to cast your vote because there are no polling places in your predominantly Jewish community or you ever had strict voter ID laws put in place in your community to prevent you from exercising your Constitutional right?

Those are all examples of the state coming down on a people. It’s all kinds of nutjobs and assholes out here among the general populace perpetuating discrimination against Jews, yes, but the state isn’t coming after you today with guns drawn ready to kill you and cuffs out eager to compromise your freedoms like in 1930’s Germany.

No, today the state is coming after people of color with guns drawn and cuffs out and when it’s the state doing the discriminating that’s what allows Holocausts to happen.

I am the liberal Jew from a few posts ago. I agree with this 100% which is why I say the point is, united we stand, divided we fall. I see a lot of divided in this discussion, which I am hoping is a very small, and minority viewpoint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get that more and more swastikas being spray painted on synagogues is distressing. I get that more and more Jews being beat up by hateful bigots is disturbing. But I’d be remiss not to point out that those increasing hate crimes are being committed by civilians not the state and it was the state that carried out the Holocaust in 1930’s Germany.

Is the state still persecuting you in America today?

You ever had somebody call the cops on you simply because you’re Jewish? You ever had the police tell you and your kippot wearing friends to “move along or we’re going to arrest you” simply because you’re Jewish? You ever had an officer pull you over because of the Star of David decal on your SUV? You ever had a judge hand down a harsh sentence on you because your last name denotes that you’re Jewish and turn you over to a corrupt criminal justice system that profits from your people’s pain? You ever have your congressional district redrawn to dilute the value of your vote just because of it’s large Jewish population? You ever had problems trying to cast your vote because there are no polling places in your predominantly Jewish community or you ever had strict voter ID laws put in place in your community to prevent you from exercising your Constitutional right?

Those are all examples of the state coming down on a people. It’s all kinds of nutjobs and assholes out here among the general populace perpetuating discrimination against Jews, yes, but the state isn’t coming after you today with guns drawn ready to kill you and cuffs out eager to compromise your freedoms like in 1930’s Germany.

No, today the state is coming after people of color with guns drawn and cuffs out and when it’s the state doing the discriminating that’s what allows Holocausts to happen.

I'm bout to do my due diligence for a few but y'all go ahead and do me a favor and let me know if this is venomous.

No, this isn't venomous toward Jews at all. Saying things like, "Jews better stop complaining about anti-Semitism or else" or "the Holocaust is irrelevant," that's venomous. Pointing out that Jews in America don't suffer from structural racism the way blacks do is just stating a fact. (At least as far as this Jew is concerned.)

+1 "liberal Jew"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no tolerance for bigots of any stripe.

This moron (White) is no better than the alt-right assholes we've seen parading about here & there.

They're all garbage.

So are you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I'm not much of a religious person , but I do remember In catholic school being told that generosity should be pure , unconditional and uninterested . We were explicitly told that helping someone shouldn't come with the expectation of a thank you or some kind of payback in the future . I'm not sure what Judaism says about generosity , but it appears that in your case you're not the magnanimous, benevolent , do-gooder that you've convinced yourself to be . Unlike you , i would never remind anyone or any entity with whom I have a disagreement with about my charitable giving
Did it ever occur to you that your ability to make those donations is due in part to you benefiting from the white supremacy and its attendant structural racism due to your lack of pigmentation? Sort of proves the whole point that your life in America hasn't been anywhere near as harsh , tragic and violent (continuously ) as that of AAs doesn't it? Does it ever occur to you that if America had lived up to what it says it is as country then the donations of individuals like you and your thinly veiled superiority complex wouldn't have been needed ?

I think the point is, it is disheartening to be a part of a community and in the spirit of giving, discover that not only are you not appreciated (which is fine) but engender open hostility. No one is looking for accolades in their donation of time and/or money. But the anger directed to people who are trying to help is sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm not much of a religious person , but I do remember In catholic school being told that generosity should be pure , unconditional and uninterested . We were explicitly told that helping someone shouldn't come with the expectation of a thank you or some kind of payback in the future . I'm not sure what Judaism says about generosity , but it appears that in your case you're not the magnanimous, benevolent , do-gooder that you've convinced yourself to be . Unlike you , i would never remind anyone or any entity with whom I have a disagreement with about my charitable giving
Did it ever occur to you that your ability to make those donations is due in part to you benefiting from the white supremacy and its attendant structural racism due to your lack of pigmentation? Sort of proves the whole point that your life in America hasn't been anywhere near as harsh , tragic and violent (continuously ) as that of AAs doesn't it? Does it ever occur to you that if America had lived up to what it says it is as country then the donations of individuals like you and your thinly veiled superiority complex wouldn't have been needed ?

I think the point is, it is disheartening to be a part of a community and in the spirit of giving, discover that not only are you not appreciated (which is fine) but engender open hostility. No one is looking for accolades in their donation of time and/or money. But the anger directed to people who are trying to help is sad.

Thank you. I'm the PP who specifically said I wasn't expecting accolades for my contributions but that I didn't expect to be attacked by the very people I am donating money to in an effort to be of help. And what happens? I get attacked! I have to actively work to remind myself that the PP who is accusing me of a superiority complex is just one hateful individual and not to let it impact my decisions regarding donations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm not much of a religious person , but I do remember In catholic school being told that generosity should be pure , unconditional and uninterested . We were explicitly told that helping someone shouldn't come with the expectation of a thank you or some kind of payback in the future . I'm not sure what Judaism says about generosity , but it appears that in your case you're not the magnanimous, benevolent , do-gooder that you've convinced yourself to be . Unlike you , i would never remind anyone or any entity with whom I have a disagreement with about my charitable giving
Did it ever occur to you that your ability to make those donations is due in part to you benefiting from the white supremacy and its attendant structural racism due to your lack of pigmentation? Sort of proves the whole point that your life in America hasn't been anywhere near as harsh , tragic and violent (continuously ) as that of AAs doesn't it? Does it ever occur to you that if America had lived up to what it says it is as country then the donations of individuals like you and your thinly veiled superiority complex wouldn't have been needed ?

I think the point is, it is disheartening to be a part of a community and in the spirit of giving, discover that not only are you not appreciated (which is fine) but engender open hostility. No one is looking for accolades in their donation of time and/or money. But the anger directed to people who are trying to help is sad.

You've unsurprisingly chosen to miss the point