So how many IB are going to really be at Hardy?

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Anonymous wrote:I know there are a few sane Eaton posters on here, but pretty much every time Eaton comes up, an Eaton parent finds a new way to make me dislike them. The continual ability to post something hyperbolic is remarkable. (I imagine many on here feel the same way about Hardy IB posters, of which I'm one.)

I have no dog in this fight. (My kids will go to a national origin school after Mann.) But the writing is clearly on the wall for anyone caring enough to look: Hardy is improving and is about to improve a lot more very rapidly. Several weeks ago I offered a wager to a Hardy basher about the quality of the school within five years. I can't help but notice no one even thought about taking me up on the wager.

You're rather full of yourself describing yourself ad a "Hardy IB poster" when you're just following the same Mann pattern of eschewing Hardy in favor of another middle school option! It's easy to preach when the sermon is only for others!

Quite the contrary about the pattern. Initially, my kids were going to go to their national origin school from the start. This was always the plan. The community experience with Mann has prompted us to send them to Mann for elementary. We cannot delay the national origin school longer, however, as they wouldn't be able to attend university in their home countries. (Yeah, you see, it ain't always as simple as you think...) As for being full of myself: I've heard that before, so it sounds like a fair criticism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand nor will I ever understand the Eaton hate. I am an Eaton parent and my child is OOB. I wish people would know the facts. Eaton has 80% of its possibleIB students attending Eaton. Which makes up 30-40% IB at Eaton. we have kids who are IB for Janney and Hearst and Oyster who CHOOSE Eaton over their IB schools. And then large amounts of OOB from Ward 1,2,4 and 5. We also have kids from the air force base, and Wards 7 and 8. It is an incredible place with a very engaged and diverse population. Check out the school before you start bashing and check your facts if you care so much about IB and OOB. Lets face it Cleveland Park is a very wealthy area--the house across the street from Eaton was listed (and is under contract) for 5.3M...I imagine if you have kids and 5M for a house your kids are probably going to go private.

And for the Hardy folks--Eaton has been asked to serve on a committee with Principal Pride along with the other feeder schools. And since Eaton has had a choice these past 4 years to attend Deal or Hardy we have sent a few kids each year to Hardy.

That's all great, but I was an Eaton parent until recently and No kids went to Hardy. Perhaps it changed this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Eaton families making the most noise about having to attend Hardy instead of Deal are either those who are OOB but attend Eaton for the feeder rights and those who are IB for Eaton but wait until Deal to start attending their IB school (leading to the high OOB numbers at Eaton) The irony is ridiculous.

More like those who live IB for Eaton but will begin to bail to charters or privates instead of staying in DCPS for Hardy (the Mann and Key pattern). This is too bad. It will result in Eaton becoming less of a neighborhood school as more IB families leave Eaton earlier, as spots open up in sought-after charters and independent schools.

Exactly. This redistricting will ultimately hurt Eaton.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When will eaton students to Hardy?

Unfortunately next autumn. They have been so unkind to the school that nobody wants them here.

Well this is just not fair. You mean to tell me that the parents of 2nd graders (wouldn't that be the first group affected by the shift?) have all universally panned Hardy and been rude and dismissive? I find that very hard to believe. What about those of us in the neighborhood who haven't even yet had a chance to send our kids to Eaton and plan to do so as well as plan to go to Hardy? We spent our money on a house in the area specifically for the schools. Our child is not yet school-aged. I've never said an unkind thing about Hardy and now that it looks like we will be zoned for Hardy going forward, that is where my child will be going because I simply do not have the money for private school or the ability to schelp my kid all over the city for a charter school.

I would not give up so easily. The move from Deal to Hardy will really hurt Eaton because more IB parents will peel off earlier. I think the single biggest weakness at Eaton is that the parents are sheep. They do not advocate for the school. Eaton got redistricted because the parents let it happen. Janney parents would have risen quickly in opposition to such a move. Don't give up. The PTA just needs to do dome soul searching and toughen up. It makes me sad that this happened. I loved sending my children to Eaton, but I know I would not do so if it had fed into Hardy.

[Anonymous]

And scene.

[Anonymous]

What kind of crap is that it is the eaton parents fault? We did a petition with over 750 names had meetings with Cheh and the DME and got anc involved. Rhee started this when she gave eaton choice to hardy with no input.

We sent letters and emails and logged calls.

[Anonymous]

This is a hardy thread.

27% - why is everyone ignoring this, the whole point of the thread! This is great progress!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What kind of crap is that it is the eaton parents fault? We did a petition with over 750 names had meetings with Cheh and the DME and got anc involved. Rhee started this when she gave eaton choice to hardy with no input.

We sent letters and emails and logged calls.

750 signatures from the school community against the forced move to Hardy is a pretty strong statement -- certainly not just a few "complainers" as some would portray it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What kind of crap is that it is the eaton parents fault? We did a petition with over 750 names had meetings with Cheh and the DME and got anc involved. Rhee started this when she gave eaton choice to hardy with no input.

We sent letters and emails and logged calls.

I hope that folks are continuing to press Chen and the mayoral candidates!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of crap is that it is the eaton parents fault? We did a petition with over 750 names had meetings with Cheh and the DME and got anc involved. Rhee started this when she gave eaton choice to hardy with no input.

We sent letters and emails and logged calls.

I hope that folks are continuing to press Chen and the mayoral candidates!

Typo: Cheh

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know there are a few sane Eaton posters on here, but pretty much every time Eaton comes up, an Eaton parent finds a new way to make me dislike them. The continual ability to post something hyperbolic is remarkable. (I imagine many on here feel the same way about Hardy IB posters, of which I'm one.)

I have no dog in this fight. (My kids will go to a national origin school after Mann.) But the writing is clearly on the wall for anyone caring enough to look: Hardy is improving and is about to improve a lot more very rapidly. Several weeks ago I offered a wager to a Hardy basher about the quality of the school within five years. I can't help but notice no one even thought about taking me up on the wager.

You're rather full of yourself describing yourself ad a "Hardy IB poster" when you're just following the same Mann pattern of eschewing Hardy in favor of another middle school option! It's easy to preach when the sermon is only for others!

Quite the contrary about the pattern. Initially, my kids were going to go to their national origin school from the start. This was always the plan. The community experience with Mann has prompted us to send them to Mann for elementary. We cannot delay the national origin school longer, however, as they wouldn't be able to attend university in their home countries. (Yeah, you see, it ain't always as simple as you think...) As for being full of myself: I've heard that before, so it sounds like a fair criticism.

Fair enough explanation, but minimizing the concerns of IB parents about Hardy does seem a case of "do what I say, not what I do."

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Anonymous wrote:This is a hardy thread.

27% - why is everyone ignoring this, the whole point of the thread! This is great progress!

Bumping this - 27% IB in grade 6 this year, based on some early estimates. Aren't more people excited about this? Or is arguing on DCUM more fun than celebrating progress in DCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:1) There's about 56 kids in 6th grade who are IB or from feeder schools. IB kids are about 34. There's no way to have an official statement in this sense or a certified declaration If you need confirmation call Ms Pride or wait for the school profiles to be released. Source: Principal Pride and PTO rumors.

2) True: Hardy cluster is the wealthiest in DC and , yes, median income is almost twice as much that of Deal's cluster. So it is wrong to say that the zones have comparable demographics.

3) True: the Principal received as the main input from the IB community to restrict the OB inflow for 6th grade. This request was dismissed for ethical and educational reasons, as well as for impact on the school budget.

4) True: the Principal received as one of the main input from the IB community to have honor classes not only in Math (as in the past year), but also in English and Science. The outcome is that from this year honor classes have been established for Math, English. Science from 7th grade.

So, after 38 pages of thread we have a tentative answer!

34/125 = 27%

(if I have the grade 6 class total correct)

This is more than twice the IB % for the overall school for last year, which was 13%.

My takeaway is that this is a great achievement and a sign of progress!

Yes, thats great 27% IB - IE good feeder prepartion AND making it a neighborhood school. Plus another 18% who are OOB but Hardy feeders - so a total of at least 45% with good feeder preparation (some OOB MAY be from stronger elementary schools that are not feeders).

Assuming this holds, ssounds like there will be even MORE rationale for IB familes to choose Hardy in 2015-2016.

I agree that it really sounds like cutting OOB enrollment is not necessary to transform Hardy, and should be examined only if and when capacity becomes an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) There's about 56 kids in 6th grade who are IB or from feeder schools. IB kids are about 34. There's no way to have an official statement in this sense or a certified declaration If you need confirmation call Ms Pride or wait for the school profiles to be released. Source: Principal Pride and PTO rumors.

2) True: Hardy cluster is the wealthiest in DC and , yes, median income is almost twice as much that of Deal's cluster. So it is wrong to say that the zones have comparable demographics.

3) True: the Principal received as the main input from the IB community to restrict the OB inflow for 6th grade. This request was dismissed for ethical and educational reasons, as well as for impact on the school budget.

4) True: the Principal received as one of the main input from the IB community to have honor classes not only in Math (as in the past year), but also in English and Science. The outcome is that from this year honor classes have been established for Math, English. Science from 7th grade.

So, after 38 pages of thread we have a tentative answer!

34/125 = 27%

(if I have the grade 6 class total correct)

This is more than twice the IB % for the overall school for last year, which was 13%.

My takeaway is that this is a great achievement and a sign of progress!

Yes, thats great 27% IB - IE good feeder prepartion AND making it a neighborhood school. Plus another 18% who are OOB but Hardy feeders - so a total of at least 45% with good feeder preparation (some OOB MAY be from stronger elementary schools that are not feeders).

Assuming this holds, ssounds like there will be even MORE rationale for IB familes to choose Hardy in 2015-2016.

I agree that it really sounds like cutting OOB enrollment is not necessary to transform Hardy, and should be examined only if and when capacity becomes an issue.

Yes, it will happen naturally as IB replace OOB more and more each year. That's how it's worked at every other school that has changed to majority IB.

Assuming 27% IB in grade 6 this year, and overall 13% IB for Hardy last year, this suggests overall 17% IB for Hardy this year.

This may not seem like much, but it will rapidly increase as the grade 6 class moves up (assuming IB buy-in does not decrease, and there's no reason to think that it would decrease).

So three years from now, Hardy will be at least 27% IB overall and possibly 40-50% IB in the grade 6 class.

And 5-6 years from now, Hardy could very well be 50% IB. It could happen even faster, if more families are enthused by this year's grade 6 result and jump on the wagon. I am very optimistic!

[Anonymous]

If these numbers are right, I'm optimistic, too! But the uniforms, please, ain't no IB girl gonna wear those drab colors. Off to Maret!