Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:My SEC kid is having a blast with his undergrad experience. Great group of friends, gorgeous girlfriend, loving his classes.

I will say though, that he has decided to pursue finance and it’s starting to dawn on him that he is going to have to hustle much harder than his peers at Ivy “target schools” to break in. He may end up with a regional bank, but is confident that he will one day be where he wants to be by outworking everyone. I know he wonders about how his path might have been different being at an Ivy, but that was not an option.

I think ten years from now he will not regret where he went and will remember his times fondly.

He should transfer to GTech- great finance and quant placement.

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools
Why are you lying? Gatech is 58 for finance placement. Below even UGA, way below Emory.

lol based sole source is linkedin public profiles

So, according to this ranking UGA and Emory are above MIT, CMU and Georgia Tech for Finance and Investment Banking. GTFO. Can't make this sh*t up.

MIT students have better options than IB, but yea Emory and UGA are better than CMU and GT, by alot.

Why would Emory be shocking anyway? Goizueta is a top 10 business school?.

No, it's not.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/best-undergraduate-business-schools-of-2025/

Emory BBa ranked 8th.

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Guess what? Emory isn’t in the SEC and never will be so take this crap somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:My SEC kid is having a blast with his undergrad experience. Great group of friends, gorgeous girlfriend, loving his classes.

I will say though, that he has decided to pursue finance and it’s starting to dawn on him that he is going to have to hustle much harder than his peers at Ivy “target schools” to break in. He may end up with a regional bank, but is confident that he will one day be where he wants to be by outworking everyone. I know he wonders about how his path might have been different being at an Ivy, but that was not an option.

I think ten years from now he will not regret where he went and will remember his times fondly.

He should transfer to GTech- great finance and quant placement.

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools
Why are you lying? Gatech is 58 for finance placement. Below even UGA, way below Emory.

lol based sole source is linkedin public profiles

So, according to this ranking UGA and Emory are above MIT, CMU and Georgia Tech for Finance and Investment Banking. GTFO. Can't make this sh*t up.

MIT students have better options than IB, but yea Emory and UGA are better than CMU and GT, by alot.

Why would Emory be shocking anyway? Goizueta is a top 10 business school?.

No, it's not.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/best-undergraduate-business-schools-of-2025/

Emory BBa ranked 8th.

What is that...lol I'll go with USNWR

2026 USNWR

Undergraduate Business School Rankings

Emory

#12 In Business Programs Overall (tie)

#45 in Finance (tie)
#33 in Analytics (tie)
#40 Accounting (tie)
Quantitative Analysis NR
Supply Chain NR

Georgia Tech

#19 in Business Programs Overall (tie)

#34 in Finance (tie)
#3 in Analytics
#40 in Accounting (tie)
#5 in Quant Analysis
#6 in Supply Chain Management / Logistics

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

Bullshit. Ivies are dominated by the top 1%

The good thing is our statements aren’t mutually exclusive!

Maybe you don’t understand math

I..wow you’re really stubborn. The ivies would literally be tuition free for my child, so I do know how the finances work out. If you’re worried, I’ll send you over my bills and we can work out a budget plan together, but the ivies would be cheap for most American families- doesn’t mean most American families can get in.

I’m not concerned with statistical outliers

You’re very disingenuous. It’s a fact that ivies are cheaper if you can get in unless you’re a statistical outlier and make amazing money.

Speaking of disingenuous, I’m the original PP who said I didn’t consider Ivies. You do realize that the Ivies have not always been tuition free for the middle class and the poors, don’t you? It’s a relatively recent policy.

They were more affordable than most families for the past three decades. $150k was the old cap, and that’s a damned high salary for most of the country. Please return to reality- most of this country hardly has savings

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

Bullshit. Ivies are dominated by the top 1%

The good thing is our statements aren’t mutually exclusive!

Maybe you don’t understand math

I..wow you’re really stubborn. The ivies would literally be tuition free for my child, so I do know how the finances work out. If you’re worried, I’ll send you over my bills and we can work out a budget plan together, but the ivies would be cheap for most American families- doesn’t mean most American families can get in.

I’m not concerned with statistical outliers

You’re very disingenuous. It’s a fact that ivies are cheaper if you can get in unless you’re a statistical outlier and make amazing money.

Speaking of disingenuous, I’m the original PP who said I didn’t consider Ivies. You do realize that the Ivies have not always been tuition free for the middle class and the poors, don’t you? It’s a relatively recent policy.

They were more affordable than most families for the past three decades. $150k was the old cap, and that’s a damned high salary for most of the country. Please return to reality- most of this country hardly has savings

Between athletes, legacy, etc very few kids were randomly admitted that qualified. Ivies are not charity you idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

Bullshit. Ivies are dominated by the top 1%

The good thing is our statements aren’t mutually exclusive!

Maybe you don’t understand math

I..wow you’re really stubborn. The ivies would literally be tuition free for my child, so I do know how the finances work out. If you’re worried, I’ll send you over my bills and we can work out a budget plan together, but the ivies would be cheap for most American families- doesn’t mean most American families can get in.

I’m not concerned with statistical outliers

You’re very disingenuous. It’s a fact that ivies are cheaper if you can get in unless you’re a statistical outlier and make amazing money.

Speaking of disingenuous, I’m the original PP who said I didn’t consider Ivies. You do realize that the Ivies have not always been tuition free for the middle class and the poors, don’t you? It’s a relatively recent policy.

They were more affordable than most families for the past three decades. $150k was the old cap, and that’s a damned high salary for most of the country. Please return to reality- most of this country hardly has savings

Between athletes, legacy, etc very few kids were randomly admitted that qualified. Ivies are not charity you idiot.

Ok…?

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Ivies are becoming increasingly pressure cooker culture so I get that

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

If your kid can get admitted to an Ivy, and you’re poor enough to get it paid for, then they can get undoubtedly get a full ride at your state flagship. Try again.

Wrong, good state flagship full rides are more selective than Ivies, especially considering that Ivies give a boost to FGLI students while most merit full ride scholarships are just merit based. Also, the majority of state flagships do not give full ride scholarships.

Ooohhh the plot thickens!! So your little snowflake can’t even outcompete the poors at the State flagship so you have to settle for an Ivy? No wonder you’re trying so hard to convince everybody that Ivies are the bees knees…

There’s a lot of poor people at the Ivy League. Idk this all sounds like unnecessary bickering.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

If your kid can get admitted to an Ivy, and you’re poor enough to get it paid for, then they can get undoubtedly get a full ride at your state flagship. Try again.

Wrong, good state flagship full rides are more selective than Ivies, especially considering that Ivies give a boost to FGLI students while most merit full ride scholarships are just merit based. Also, the majority of state flagships do not give full ride scholarships.

Ooohhh the plot thickens!! So your little snowflake can’t even outcompete the poors at the State flagship so you have to settle for an Ivy? No wonder you’re trying so hard to convince everybody that Ivies are the bees knees…

There’s a lot of poor people at the Ivy League. Idk this all sounds like unnecessary bickering.

Nope.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

Bullshit. Ivies are dominated by the top 1%

The good thing is our statements aren’t mutually exclusive!

Maybe you don’t understand math

I..wow you’re really stubborn. The ivies would literally be tuition free for my child, so I do know how the finances work out. If you’re worried, I’ll send you over my bills and we can work out a budget plan together, but the ivies would be cheap for most American families- doesn’t mean most American families can get in.

I’m not concerned with statistical outliers

You’re very disingenuous. It’s a fact that ivies are cheaper if you can get in unless you’re a statistical outlier and make amazing money.

Speaking of disingenuous, I’m the original PP who said I didn’t consider Ivies. You do realize that the Ivies have not always been tuition free for the middle class and the poors, don’t you? It’s a relatively recent policy.

They were more affordable than most families for the past three decades. $150k was the old cap, and that’s a damned high salary for most of the country. Please return to reality- most of this country hardly has savings

Between athletes, legacy, etc very few kids were randomly admitted that qualified. Ivies are not charity you idiot.

Ok…?

Oh and of course development cases.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

If your kid can get admitted to an Ivy, and you’re poor enough to get it paid for, then they can get undoubtedly get a full ride at your state flagship. Try again.

Wrong, good state flagship full rides are more selective than Ivies, especially considering that Ivies give a boost to FGLI students while most merit full ride scholarships are just merit based. Also, the majority of state flagships do not give full ride scholarships.

Ooohhh the plot thickens!! So your little snowflake can’t even outcompete the poors at the State flagship so you have to settle for an Ivy? No wonder you’re trying so hard to convince everybody that Ivies are the bees knees…

There’s a lot of poor people at the Ivy League. Idk this all sounds like unnecessary bickering.

Nope.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html

DP. Check the numbers there. The percentage from the bottom 60% aren't hugely different at Harvard and Alabama.

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Anonymous wrote:SEC baddies will be so rich it will make the nerds blush

The nerds are literally the richest people on the planet…and they are the ones creating the AI that will eat the world.

No, the richest people are the shareholders in the company that employs the nerds

Huh…the nerds who founded the companies like Bezos, Zuckerberg, Musk, Gates, Altman, et al are the richest people on the planet.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

If your kid can get admitted to an Ivy, and you’re poor enough to get it paid for, then they can get undoubtedly get a full ride at your state flagship. Try again.

Wrong, good state flagship full rides are more selective than Ivies, especially considering that Ivies give a boost to FGLI students while most merit full ride scholarships are just merit based. Also, the majority of state flagships do not give full ride scholarships.

Ooohhh the plot thickens!! So your little snowflake can’t even outcompete the poors at the State flagship so you have to settle for an Ivy? No wonder you’re trying so hard to convince everybody that Ivies are the bees knees…

There’s a lot of poor people at the Ivy League. Idk this all sounds like unnecessary bickering.

Nope.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html

DP. Check the numbers there. The percentage from the bottom 60% aren't hugely different at Harvard and Alabama.

Keep that in mind the next time someone tries to say the SEC isn’t wealthy

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Ivies are more affordable to our family (and a majority of American families) than our state flagship. Maybe don’t assume the financial profile of who you’re speaking to?

If your kid can get admitted to an Ivy, and you’re poor enough to get it paid for, then they can get undoubtedly get a full ride at your state flagship. Try again.

Wrong, good state flagship full rides are more selective than Ivies, especially considering that Ivies give a boost to FGLI students while most merit full ride scholarships are just merit based. Also, the majority of state flagships do not give full ride scholarships.

Ooohhh the plot thickens!! So your little snowflake can’t even outcompete the poors at the State flagship so you have to settle for an Ivy? No wonder you’re trying so hard to convince everybody that Ivies are the bees knees…

There’s a lot of poor people at the Ivy League. Idk this all sounds like unnecessary bickering.

Nope.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html

DP. Check the numbers there. The percentage from the bottom 60% aren't hugely different at Harvard and Alabama.

Not a single Ivy is listed in the list of top colleges that enroll low-income students. Why is that?

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?