What is your federal agency telling you re: RTO? (No other rants/comments!)

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Anonymous wrote:For supervisors, how are you handling discussions around this with your employees? I find it challenging to balance toeing the company line for risk of being fired with being sympathetic to how disruptive this will be to people’s lives (though I feel some of the DCUM responses are a bit entitled also)

I'm a supervisor and I honestly don't care.

Take the deal and come to work or quit. I'm sick and tired of the entitlement from other federal workers. Democracy goes both ways. We all sat through years of DEI training and the other craziness during the Biden years that a lot of us disagreed with. I remember sitting in training and having some GS14 patronize us and tell us if we disagreed with DEI then we were racist. Hope she likes unemployment and all the other people who joined in enjoy their commutes.

"Elections have consequences" - Barrack Hussein Obama

Your post has some racist dogwhistle language in it. I’m glad you’re not my supervisor. You shouldn’t be allowed to manage anyone.

It's probably someone that doesn't actually work for the federal government. I've been at my agency for over a decade and we never had any DEI training. And if there was anything to that effect it certainly was not mandatory.

As I have written elsewhere here I probably had over 30 hours of mandatory DEI training during the Biden administration. Most of it done at night because I was too busy during the day.

Oh, yeah? What were the trainings? Name the courses.

“Things that never happened: conservative derangement edition”
“Fiction writing for DCUM”

You’re full of it bro. I don’t even think we have 30 hours of training in general.

You have clearly never been a manager at the Department of Labor.

Anti-harassment training is not DEI. What were the specific trainings that so offended you?

Yes it is. Eveyone thinks their issues are too "good" to be part of DEI

DP. Anti-harassment training has existed since long before DEI. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:For supervisors, how are you handling discussions around this with your employees? I find it challenging to balance toeing the company line for risk of being fired with being sympathetic to how disruptive this will be to people’s lives (though I feel some of the DCUM responses are a bit entitled also)

I'm a supervisor and I honestly don't care.

Take the deal and come to work or quit. I'm sick and tired of the entitlement from other federal workers. Democracy goes both ways. We all sat through years of DEI training and the other craziness during the Biden years that a lot of us disagreed with. I remember sitting in training and having some GS14 patronize us and tell us if we disagreed with DEI then we were racist. Hope she likes unemployment and all the other people who joined in enjoy their commutes.

"Elections have consequences" - Barrack Hussein Obama

Your post has some racist dogwhistle language in it. I’m glad you’re not my supervisor. You shouldn’t be allowed to manage anyone.

It's probably someone that doesn't actually work for the federal government. I've been at my agency for over a decade and we never had any DEI training. And if there was anything to that effect it certainly was not mandatory.

As I have written elsewhere here I probably had over 30 hours of mandatory DEI training during the Biden administration. Most of it done at night because I was too busy during the day.

Oh, yeah? What were the trainings? Name the courses.

“Things that never happened: conservative derangement edition”
“Fiction writing for DCUM”

You’re full of it bro. I don’t even think we have 30 hours of training in general.

You have clearly never been a manager at the Department of Labor.

Well you got me there. Never worked at DoL but have worked at two other agencies and we never had anything close to 30 hours of training AND nothing involving DEI.

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Anonymous wrote:For supervisors, how are you handling discussions around this with your employees? I find it challenging to balance toeing the company line for risk of being fired with being sympathetic to how disruptive this will be to people’s lives (though I feel some of the DCUM responses are a bit entitled also)

I'm a supervisor and I honestly don't care.

Take the deal and come to work or quit. I'm sick and tired of the entitlement from other federal workers. Democracy goes both ways. We all sat through years of DEI training and the other craziness during the Biden years that a lot of us disagreed with. I remember sitting in training and having some GS14 patronize us and tell us if we disagreed with DEI then we were racist. Hope she likes unemployment and all the other people who joined in enjoy their commutes.

"Elections have consequences" - Barrack Hussein Obama

Your post has some racist dogwhistle language in it. I’m glad you’re not my supervisor. You shouldn’t be allowed to manage anyone.

It's probably someone that doesn't actually work for the federal government. I've been at my agency for over a decade and we never had any DEI training. And if there was anything to that effect it certainly was not mandatory.

As I have written elsewhere here I probably had over 30 hours of mandatory DEI training during the Biden administration. Most of it done at night because I was too busy during the day.

Oh, yeah? What were the trainings? Name the courses.

“Things that never happened: conservative derangement edition”
“Fiction writing for DCUM”

You’re full of it bro. I don’t even think we have 30 hours of training in general.

You have clearly never been a manager at the Department of Labor.

Anti-harassment training is not DEI. What were the specific trainings that so offended you?

The training didn't have a thing to do with sexual harassment.

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State SESers were voluntold to take minimum 4 hours of DEI training (via Cornell) and it was minimum 1/2 a day of every 1-2 week leadership session at FSI. I have no issue with DEI at all, but pretending there wasn’t a lot of it in USG trainings in the last 4 years is silly.

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Anonymous wrote:We were told:
-still have AWS
-still have situational telework and we'd only need to get manager's approval
-they're still unsure about remote people but will likely find them places to work near their homes.

Seems like this won't be a big deal for remote people like it was thought.

They haven’t clarified if I have to be in the office the 5 days for 8 hours, or if I can go into the office 10-3, and do the rest teleworking at home. If I can’t telework at all on a regular basis like that, I will just do my 8 and leave the laptop in the office. F*ck them.

we haven’t been told this either and no one wants to clarify, but it is pretty clear that 10-3 would be pushing it. 8:45-4:45 might be more tenable. “full time at the office” likely means full time.

when i jokingly said i would turn in my work phone, management—who are very reasonable—said we still need to be able to do our jobs. i get that. they are being asked a lot here.

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Anonymous wrote:For supervisors, how are you handling discussions around this with your employees? I find it challenging to balance toeing the company line for risk of being fired with being sympathetic to how disruptive this will be to people’s lives (though I feel some of the DCUM responses are a bit entitled also)

I'm a supervisor and I honestly don't care.

Take the deal and come to work or quit. I'm sick and tired of the entitlement from other federal workers. Democracy goes both ways. We all sat through years of DEI training and the other craziness during the Biden years that a lot of us disagreed with. I remember sitting in training and having some GS14 patronize us and tell us if we disagreed with DEI then we were racist. Hope she likes unemployment and all the other people who joined in enjoy their commutes.

"Elections have consequences" - Barrack Hussein Obama

Your post has some racist dogwhistle language in it. I’m glad you’re not my supervisor. You shouldn’t be allowed to manage anyone.

It's probably someone that doesn't actually work for the federal government. I've been at my agency for over a decade and we never had any DEI training. And if there was anything to that effect it certainly was not mandatory.

As I have written elsewhere here I probably had over 30 hours of mandatory DEI training during the Biden administration. Most of it done at night because I was too busy during the day.

Oh, yeah? What were the trainings? Name the courses.

I don't want to get that agency into trouble, given that certain peckerwoods might be reading this board.

How convenient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DOJ component back 5 days a week starting feb 24. Unclear about flex days…if they remove all AWS, I’m leaving my laptop on Friday at 5 pm in my office

That’ll show them! Oh, wait.

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Anonymous wrote:We were told:
-still have AWS
-still have situational telework and we'd only need to get manager's approval
-they're still unsure about remote people but will likely find them places to work near their homes.

Seems like this won't be a big deal for remote people like it was thought.

They haven’t clarified if I have to be in the office the 5 days for 8 hours, or if I can go into the office 10-3, and do the rest teleworking at home. If I can’t telework at all on a regular basis like that, I will just do my 8 and leave the laptop in the office. F*ck them.

You can just do it, you know. No need for the attention seeking, foot stomping proclamations.

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Anonymous wrote:We were told:
-still have AWS
-still have situational telework and we'd only need to get manager's approval
-they're still unsure about remote people but will likely find them places to work near their homes.

Seems like this won't be a big deal for remote people like it was thought.

They haven’t clarified if I have to be in the office the 5 days for 8 hours, or if I can go into the office 10-3, and do the rest teleworking at home. If I can’t telework at all on a regular basis like that, I will just do my 8 and leave the laptop in the office. F*ck them.

we haven’t been told this either and no one wants to clarify, but it is pretty clear that 10-3 would be pushing it. 8:45-4:45 might be more tenable. “full time at the office” likely means full time.

when i jokingly said i would turn in my work phone, management—who are very reasonable—said we still need to be able to do our jobs. i get that. they are being asked a lot here.

Why are you asking this? Of course the answer will be FT at the office. What someone says and does are two different things.

In the private sector it’s now pretty common to leave early or arrive late for the commute and finish up at home. Don’t ask; just do it.

Asking = answer is NO and you’re insubordinate

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

But it is childish. There will be a teleowork agreement in place for certain circumstances. If you don't sign it then you're being childish.

A telework agreement is a joint agreement between the employee and the employer (the government). An employee has ALWAYS had the right to not sign a telework agreement. If an employee decides they do not like the conditions, they don’t have to sign it. Same with the government. What we are all saying, and I’m a NP but agree with others, is that “certain circumstances “ seems a little too vague and I will not sign it if I get minimal flexibility as an employee. It is not “childish” and I hope you can come around on your thinking because you will definitely have employees who are unwilling to sign that telework agreement now.

The crazy thing is that I really think you actually believe employment from a specific entity is something you’re just “owed” and you can demand any terms and conditions you’d like. PLEASE try and get that job in the private sector that according to you pays 5x what you make in the gov. Would LOVE to know how that goes!

I’m not making demands. The actual government, who happens to be my employer, has told me these are the terms and conditions of the telework agreement. As much as you may hate it, I am not an at will employee and I do have rights. Sorry that makes you so mad!

DP, but oh, that’s rich. The “so mad” people here are the ones throwing endless tantrums about going into the office.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

But it is childish. There will be a teleowork agreement in place for certain circumstances. If you don't sign it then you're being childish.

It is not childish to not want to sign an agreement that does nothing but punish an employee. It is not for our benefit. We’ve been told we are not working when teleworking, that’s it not a valid form of work, so it is now the duty of the government to provide a space for us to work in person. If they cannot reasonable provide that due to safety concerns, than there is no valid place for pjs to work since telework is not valid work.

Your entire response doubled down on the childishness.

[Anonymous]

DoD divisions are RTO 5 days a week by Feb 10. If you don't report, you're considered AWOL. No flexibility.

[Anonymous]

FDA, RTO 3/17, refused to send anything in writing (supes were tasked with calling each person by phone)

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Anonymous wrote:DoD divisions are RTO 5 days a week by Feb 10. If you don't report, you're considered AWOL. No flexibility.

So no 4-10 or 5-4-9? YOu have to be 5-8?

[Anonymous]

Anyone hear from NASA?