Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like Joe Jonas's people are posting here

Same

You all delusional. Celebrity PR people are not posting on DCUM.

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Fans, maybe. This is the next Depp Heard case where highly online people had very strong opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:Fans, maybe. This is the next Depp Heard case where highly online people had very strong opinions.

I don't even know why. This is a marriage that just imploded recently and both parties are taking the necessary legal steps to deal with it. Emotions are raw and tabloids are running stories. It will fade away in no time.

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Does anyone else think it’s kind of cringe Taylor Swift is involving herself in this? Yes, we get you briefly dated him years ago, but I wasn’t aware she and Sophie were close enough to be palling around town for photo opps. I like them both well enough but it’s giving ‘high school girls cheated on by the same dude’ energy.

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Anonymous wrote:Fans, maybe. This is the next Depp Heard case where highly online people had very strong opinions.

I don't even know why. This is a marriage that just imploded recently and both parties are taking the necessary legal steps to deal with it. Emotions are raw and tabloids are running stories. It will fade away in no time.

I think the only reason people got so invested in taking sides is because it was very transparent that Sophie Turner was being smeared in the media as the first reports of divorce surfaced. The stuff about her being a party girl who wasn't interested in parenting her kids (backed up by nothing but a few very tame pictures of her having fun at a wrap party for her most recent project) immediately riled up a lot of women who could see pretty quickly it was a smear job, likely to try and gain some kind of edge in a custody case.

I also tend to think that is also a big part of what led Sophie to go so aggressive in her response to the filing. Joe is now saying he wasn't the one to leak those rumors (then who did?) which means he knows that it's a major issue.

I actually think without that element, people would mostly be indifferent, maybe somewhat interested in the international nature of the divorce and custody case.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think it’s kind of cringe Taylor Swift is involving herself in this? Yes, we get you briefly dated him years ago, but I wasn’t aware she and Sophie were close enough to be palling around town for photo opps. I like them both well enough but it’s giving ‘high school girls cheated on by the same dude’ energy.

Yes, it makes me roll my eyes and makes Sophie look kind of petty. It's the public nature of it. If it was just rumored they were hanging out, I might think "well sure, they probably have some stuff to discuss." But multiple pap walks in one week feels like they are just trolling Joe (pun intended, they are both very tall).

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Anonymous wrote:I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

The kids are also UK citizens and dad decided to divorce mom who lives in the UK. It’s reasonable for her to want a UK court to decide custody considering they own a home there and intended to settle there long term. He’s a monster trying to steal kids don’t their mother

No… mom is a born and raised and UK citizen. Kids are dual citizens by birth but have been raised in the us. Mom tried to bring kids over to the UK to raise them there at the same time she was getting divorced. That does not make their residence UK. Would have had to establish true precedent before divorce which is why Sophie is desperately claiming that she and Joe had “talked” about England being their forever home.

He could be a prick for all I know. The kids could be better off with her. But legally she has no grounds to do what she’s doing, and it seems like an attempt to bring them over to the UK and raise them there despite having an American dad. This is a grown up issue the two of them should be sorting out.

Her filing says they started looking at houses to buy in the UK as early as Dec. 2022. They were living near her family for several months and then went under contract for a house in July. If they did talk about making UK their permanent home, there are likely realtors, family members, etc. who could testify to those conversations. Also if the children attended nursery school and other activities, there may be contracts with those entities that show intent for a long-term stay.

Also the fact that they sold their home in Miami concurrent with going to the UK and entering into a contract to buy a home there.

If Sophie is making it all up in order to steal the kids away from the US, what is she stealing them from? Living in hotels in various cities for the next 10 months while Joe tours? Spending most of their time with a nanny between visits with their mom? They don't even have a home here. All there stuff is in England.

She is “stealing” them from a parent who lives here. I think that’s more material than where their clothes are.

They have moved a million times. Mostly within the US. England is just one of many places they’ve lived, and for a very short period of time. He bought that home to live in as a family for some uncertain length of time- not under the pretense of divorcing his wife and having her live there with the kids in perpetuity. If there was any intent to stay there; it was clearly shattered by the dissolution of their marriage and since they were not in the uk long enough to establish a residence legally, their last legal home was the us. I don’t understand how anyone doesn’t see this clearly.

What law are you referring to here that sets out how long you have to live in a place to establish legal residence?

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Anonymous wrote:I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

The kids are also UK citizens and dad decided to divorce mom who lives in the UK. It’s reasonable for her to want a UK court to decide custody considering they own a home there and intended to settle there long term. He’s a monster trying to steal kids don’t their mother

No… mom is a born and raised and UK citizen. Kids are dual citizens by birth but have been raised in the us. Mom tried to bring kids over to the UK to raise them there at the same time she was getting divorced. That does not make their residence UK. Would have had to establish true precedent before divorce which is why Sophie is desperately claiming that she and Joe had “talked” about England being their forever home.

He could be a prick for all I know. The kids could be better off with her. But legally she has no grounds to do what she’s doing, and it seems like an attempt to bring them over to the UK and raise them there despite having an American dad. This is a grown up issue the two of them should be sorting out.

Her filing says they started looking at houses to buy in the UK as early as Dec. 2022. They were living near her family for several months and then went under contract for a house in July. If they did talk about making UK their permanent home, there are likely realtors, family members, etc. who could testify to those conversations. Also if the children attended nursery school and other activities, there may be contracts with those entities that show intent for a long-term stay.

Also the fact that they sold their home in Miami concurrent with going to the UK and entering into a contract to buy a home there.

If Sophie is making it all up in order to steal the kids away from the US, what is she stealing them from? Living in hotels in various cities for the next 10 months while Joe tours? Spending most of their time with a nanny between visits with their mom? They don't even have a home here. All there stuff is in England.

She is “stealing” them from a parent who lives here. I think that’s more material than where their clothes are.

They have moved a million times. Mostly within the US. England is just one of many places they’ve lived, and for a very short period of time. He bought that home to live in as a family for some uncertain length of time- not under the pretense of divorcing his wife and having her live there with the kids in perpetuity. If there was any intent to stay there; it was clearly shattered by the dissolution of their marriage and since they were not in the uk long enough to establish a residence legally, their last legal home was the us. I don’t understand how anyone doesn’t see this clearly.

What law are you referring to here that sets out how long you have to live in a place to establish legal residence?

The PP probably doesn't know, but it's actually a central issue in this case.

Joe has filed for divorce in Florida, where jurisdiction is based on where the family has lived for the previous 6 months. Which is a little baffling, since the family has not lived in their Miami home since early April and has since sold it. The family has not actually resided anywhere for a six month period in the last year, but it appears their longest continuous residence was at a rental home in the UK beginning in May. Joe and the kids left on July 31s to go on tour with his band, but it appears they intended to return (the family is still leasing the space and it has a bunch of their stuff there, including the kid's toys and clothes and other day-to-day items).

Sophie's lawsuit is premised on The Hague Convention which uses "habitual residence" and a standard for jurisdiction. This is defined somewhat loosely as the place where the child last lived with both parents in a family setting. Sophie is clearly arguing that this is the UK rental, where the family was altogether from May until July. Presumably Joe will argue that this was not a "family setting" because it was a rental, or because Sophie was working? I don't know.

That's why they are both asserting someone different facts regarding where they've been living and the nature of their time there. It will determine which court the divorce is adjudicated in, which law is controlling, and could potentially impact custody determinations, though I think it's still most likely they get something resembling 50/50 with time split between the US and UK.

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Joe was in the US for most of July for rehearsals and sound checks and DJ gigs. The band and Joe and others posted lots on social media.

I am very curious to know if the kids went to the US at all with him in July or if they stayed in the UK during that time.

Somewhere it was said that the kids had been with him for 3 months which would include July but Sophie's filing says they left the UK on July 31st.

If they weren't in the UK for all of July, that really reduces the length of stay in the UK

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think it’s kind of cringe Taylor Swift is involving herself in this? Yes, we get you briefly dated him years ago, but I wasn’t aware she and Sophie were close enough to be palling around town for photo opps. I like them both well enough but it’s giving ‘high school girls cheated on by the same dude’ energy.

Taylor is like she's in high school. Never change Taytay

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She will get custody and live in the UK with them. He'll get visitations. He totally underestimates the power of the mother.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

The kids are also UK citizens and dad decided to divorce mom who lives in the UK. It’s reasonable for her to want a UK court to decide custody considering they own a home there and intended to settle there long term. He’s a monster trying to steal kids don’t their mother

No… mom is a born and raised and UK citizen. Kids are dual citizens by birth but have been raised in the us. Mom tried to bring kids over to the UK to raise them there at the same time she was getting divorced. That does not make their residence UK. Would have had to establish true precedent before divorce which is why Sophie is desperately claiming that she and Joe had “talked” about England being their forever home.

He could be a prick for all I know. The kids could be better off with her. But legally she has no grounds to do what she’s doing, and it seems like an attempt to bring them over to the UK and raise them there despite having an American dad. This is a grown up issue the two of them should be sorting out.

Her filing says they started looking at houses to buy in the UK as early as Dec. 2022. They were living near her family for several months and then went under contract for a house in July. If they did talk about making UK their permanent home, there are likely realtors, family members, etc. who could testify to those conversations. Also if the children attended nursery school and other activities, there may be contracts with those entities that show intent for a long-term stay.

Also the fact that they sold their home in Miami concurrent with going to the UK and entering into a contract to buy a home there.

If Sophie is making it all up in order to steal the kids away from the US, what is she stealing them from? Living in hotels in various cities for the next 10 months while Joe tours? Spending most of their time with a nanny between visits with their mom? They don't even have a home here. All there stuff is in England.

She is “stealing” them from a parent who lives here. I think that’s more material than where their clothes are.

They have moved a million times. Mostly within the US. England is just one of many places they’ve lived, and for a very short period of time. He bought that home to live in as a family for some uncertain length of time- not under the pretense of divorcing his wife and having her live there with the kids in perpetuity. If there was any intent to stay there; it was clearly shattered by the dissolution of their marriage and since they were not in the uk long enough to establish a residence legally, their last legal home was the us. I don’t understand how anyone doesn’t see this clearly.

What law are you referring to here that sets out how long you have to live in a place to establish legal residence?

In the us (or at least in fl and ny where they each filed) the law regarding children’s custody is where they lived for six months prior to separation.

Also according to a quick google search, in England the petitioner should be a habitual resident of England and live there for at least a year. Doesn’t really fit Sophie’s definitions. They were def mostly US based during their marriage and doesn’t sound like they really qualify for UK jurisdiction

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Anonymous wrote:I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

The kids are also UK citizens and dad decided to divorce mom who lives in the UK. It’s reasonable for her to want a UK court to decide custody considering they own a home there and intended to settle there long term. He’s a monster trying to steal kids don’t their mother

No… mom is a born and raised and UK citizen. Kids are dual citizens by birth but have been raised in the us. Mom tried to bring kids over to the UK to raise them there at the same time she was getting divorced. That does not make their residence UK. Would have had to establish true precedent before divorce which is why Sophie is desperately claiming that she and Joe had “talked” about England being their forever home.

He could be a prick for all I know. The kids could be better off with her. But legally she has no grounds to do what she’s doing, and it seems like an attempt to bring them over to the UK and raise them there despite having an American dad. This is a grown up issue the two of them should be sorting out.

Her filing says they started looking at houses to buy in the UK as early as Dec. 2022. They were living near her family for several months and then went under contract for a house in July. If they did talk about making UK their permanent home, there are likely realtors, family members, etc. who could testify to those conversations. Also if the children attended nursery school and other activities, there may be contracts with those entities that show intent for a long-term stay.

Also the fact that they sold their home in Miami concurrent with going to the UK and entering into a contract to buy a home there.

If Sophie is making it all up in order to steal the kids away from the US, what is she stealing them from? Living in hotels in various cities for the next 10 months while Joe tours? Spending most of their time with a nanny between visits with their mom? They don't even have a home here. All there stuff is in England.

She is “stealing” them from a parent who lives here. I think that’s more material than where their clothes are.

They have moved a million times. Mostly within the US. England is just one of many places they’ve lived, and for a very short period of time. He bought that home to live in as a family for some uncertain length of time- not under the pretense of divorcing his wife and having her live there with the kids in perpetuity. If there was any intent to stay there; it was clearly shattered by the dissolution of their marriage and since they were not in the uk long enough to establish a residence legally, their last legal home was the us. I don’t understand how anyone doesn’t see this clearly.

What law are you referring to here that sets out how long you have to live in a place to establish legal residence?

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Anonymous wrote:I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

The kids are also UK citizens and dad decided to divorce mom who lives in the UK. It’s reasonable for her to want a UK court to decide custody considering they own a home there and intended to settle there long term. He’s a monster trying to steal kids don’t their mother

No… mom is a born and raised and UK citizen. Kids are dual citizens by birth but have been raised in the us. Mom tried to bring kids over to the UK to raise them there at the same time she was getting divorced. That does not make their residence UK. Would have had to establish true precedent before divorce which is why Sophie is desperately claiming that she and Joe had “talked” about England being their forever home.

He could be a prick for all I know. The kids could be better off with her. But legally she has no grounds to do what she’s doing, and it seems like an attempt to bring them over to the UK and raise them there despite having an American dad. This is a grown up issue the two of them should be sorting out.

Her filing says they started looking at houses to buy in the UK as early as Dec. 2022. They were living near her family for several months and then went under contract for a house in July. If they did talk about making UK their permanent home, there are likely realtors, family members, etc. who could testify to those conversations. Also if the children attended nursery school and other activities, there may be contracts with those entities that show intent for a long-term stay.

Also the fact that they sold their home in Miami concurrent with going to the UK and entering into a contract to buy a home there.

If Sophie is making it all up in order to steal the kids away from the US, what is she stealing them from? Living in hotels in various cities for the next 10 months while Joe tours? Spending most of their time with a nanny between visits with their mom? They don't even have a home here. All there stuff is in England.

She is “stealing” them from a parent who lives here. I think that’s more material than where their clothes are.

They have moved a million times. Mostly within the US. England is just one of many places they’ve lived, and for a very short period of time. He bought that home to live in as a family for some uncertain length of time- not under the pretense of divorcing his wife and having her live there with the kids in perpetuity. If there was any intent to stay there; it was clearly shattered by the dissolution of their marriage and since they were not in the uk long enough to establish a residence legally, their last legal home was the us. I don’t understand how anyone doesn’t see this clearly.

What law are you referring to here that sets out how long you have to live in a place to establish legal residence?

In the us (or at least in fl and ny where they each filed) the law regarding children’s custody is where they lived for six months prior to separation.

Also according to a quick google search, in England the petitioner should be a habitual resident of England and live there for at least a year. Doesn’t really fit Sophie’s definitions. They were def mostly US based during their marriage and doesn’t sound like they really qualify for UK jurisdiction

Establishing jurisdiction for a divorce or child custody case is different (and harder) than establishing legal residence. It's perfectly possible for Sophie and the girls to be legal residents of England and for England to not necessarily have jurisdiction over the divorce/custody case.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

The kids are also UK citizens and dad decided to divorce mom who lives in the UK. It’s reasonable for her to want a UK court to decide custody considering they own a home there and intended to settle there long term. He’s a monster trying to steal kids don’t their mother

No… mom is a born and raised and UK citizen. Kids are dual citizens by birth but have been raised in the us. Mom tried to bring kids over to the UK to raise them there at the same time she was getting divorced. That does not make their residence UK. Would have had to establish true precedent before divorce which is why Sophie is desperately claiming that she and Joe had “talked” about England being their forever home.

He could be a prick for all I know. The kids could be better off with her. But legally she has no grounds to do what she’s doing, and it seems like an attempt to bring them over to the UK and raise them there despite having an American dad. This is a grown up issue the two of them should be sorting out.

Her filing says they started looking at houses to buy in the UK as early as Dec. 2022. They were living near her family for several months and then went under contract for a house in July. If they did talk about making UK their permanent home, there are likely realtors, family members, etc. who could testify to those conversations. Also if the children attended nursery school and other activities, there may be contracts with those entities that show intent for a long-term stay.

Also the fact that they sold their home in Miami concurrent with going to the UK and entering into a contract to buy a home there.

If Sophie is making it all up in order to steal the kids away from the US, what is she stealing them from? Living in hotels in various cities for the next 10 months while Joe tours? Spending most of their time with a nanny between visits with their mom? They don't even have a home here. All there stuff is in England.

She is “stealing” them from a parent who lives here. I think that’s more material than where their clothes are.

They have moved a million times. Mostly within the US. England is just one of many places they’ve lived, and for a very short period of time. He bought that home to live in as a family for some uncertain length of time- not under the pretense of divorcing his wife and having her live there with the kids in perpetuity. If there was any intent to stay there; it was clearly shattered by the dissolution of their marriage and since they were not in the uk long enough to establish a residence legally, their last legal home was the us. I don’t understand how anyone doesn’t see this clearly.

What law are you referring to here that sets out how long you have to live in a place to establish legal residence?

In the us (or at least in fl and ny where they each filed) the law regarding children’s custody is where they lived for six months prior to separation.

Also according to a quick google search, in England the petitioner should be a habitual resident of England and live there for at least a year. Doesn’t really fit Sophie’s definitions. They were def mostly US based during their marriage and doesn’t sound like they really qualify for UK jurisdiction

One thing I haven't seen talked about a lot is that the oldest kid was born in July 2020 -- they've clearly rebounded, but who can say how international her first year would have been had she not been born in the midst of a global pandemic.

It's not really material -- the kids have spent time where they've spent time, though personally at their ages I don't think it really matters -- but it's sad to think that some might hold that time against Sophie (who was pretty open about her homesickness at the time) when assessing whether she should be allowed to bring her children home with her.