GA Case

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is not going to take a chance that he will be elected because he's been rejected three times and he isn't stupid. He is running because he hoped this would keep him from being indicted. His plan backfired and he knows that the two state cases won't go away. His only hope to avoid a trial and prison is to seek asylum in Dubai or Bahrain. And, I would not be surprised if this happens before Aug. 25, 2023.

1) he is stupid
2) he is running to stand a chance of a self pardon or a pardon from an acolyte.

He cannot get a pardon for Georgia state crimes until 5 years after sentence completion. Which is why legislation is being proposed right now to change that.

More to the point, this Georgia case may take multiple years. So Trump is thinking he can still be President in the meantime, push for this law change, and put pressure on the Georgia board of pardons or whatever it's called.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Give this man a cigar.

https://twitter.com/MattAttack009_/status/1691485043338743808

I don’t know about you, but I’m wary of anyone who inserts “globalist socialists” into casual conversation.

What a tool! Brainwashed MAGA. And you’re right the globalist socialists gives it away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everything Trump Touches Dies

Ellis has only two counts related to pushing lies about the election but was not involved with the fake electors or the Coffee County election tampering, so she needs a lawyer who will negotiate her a plea deal.

she also needs a burn uniy. ouch.

"Ellis is best known for being infected with Covid via Rudy Giuliani's flatulence as she tried to overturn the 2020 election."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everything Trump Touches Dies

Ellis has only two counts related to pushing lies about the election but was not involved with the fake electors or the Coffee County election tampering, so she needs a lawyer who will negotiate her a plea deal.

she also needs a burn uniy. ouch.

"Ellis is best known for being infected with Covid via Rudy Giuliani's flatulence as she tried to overturn the 2020 election."

I realize it’s crass, but that’s literally the only thing that makes her stand out in the crowded field of GOP criminals. Everyone was flipping out that she might get infected and sure as can be.

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows is trying to get the case moved to federal court. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics/mark-meadows-fulton-case-federal-court/index.html

The big thing I take away is a lot of these conspirators will never face justice. This GA case is just one state. These people were active in multiple states and yet no federal charges? Meadows, Eastman, Cruz, Graham, all the staff of these people, etc? Guess planning and implementation of a coup is not against federal law?

Democrats should take note, if Trump wins.

Yep Kamala Harris can decertify the election results. It is good to know we have that in our bag of tricks.

Have to agree. If everything Trump and co. did was legal and acceptable behavior for the White House, then Kamala and the Biden White House can do the same.

And the republicans would be fine with it. Right guys? No problem with Joe and Kamala staying in office another 4 years if they lose the election because the Veep has the power to unilaterally reject electors?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows is trying to get the case moved to federal court. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics/mark-meadows-fulton-case-federal-court/index.html

The big thing I take away is a lot of these conspirators will never face justice. This GA case is just one state. These people were active in multiple states and yet no federal charges? Meadows, Eastman, Cruz, Graham, all the staff of these people, etc? Guess planning and implementation of a coup is not against federal law?

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Both Arizona and Pennsylvania have had investigations underway for quite some time. There are nuances in state law that make it more appropriate to charge false electors and those who conspired with state crimes. Of course there is no double jeopardy between state and fed. Some of the charges could go federal so they can be indicted there too. Not instead. Didn’t the false electors defraud the people of the United States and obstruct our civil rights? Meadows should tread really carefully here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows is trying to get the case moved to federal court. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics/mark-meadows-fulton-case-federal-court/index.html

The big thing I take away is a lot of these conspirators will never face justice. This GA case is just one state. These people were active in multiple states and yet no federal charges? Meadows, Eastman, Cruz, Graham, all the staff of these people, etc? Guess planning and implementation of a coup is not against federal law?

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Both Arizona and Pennsylvania have had investigations underway for quite some time. There are nuances in state law that make it more appropriate to charge false electors and those who conspired with state crimes. Of course there is no double jeopardy between state and fed. Some of the charges could go federal so they can be indicted there too. Not instead. Didn’t the false electors defraud the people of the United States and obstruct our civil rights? Meadows should tread really carefully here.

Georgia is claiming jurisdiction for all that with the RICO. The charges include Eastman sending an e-mail to Giuliani about electors in Pennsylvania.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes Lindsay Graham already lost that battle all the way up to the Supreme Court, although that was for the Speech and Debate clause of the Constitution, not executive privilege.

Pretty sure Meadows already lost on claiming executive privilege for the Jan 6 committee. I can't see what additional grounds he could get it moved to Federal court.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/politics/supreme-court-lindsey-graham-georgia.html

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/24/politics/trump-aides-executive-privilege-meadows/index.html

This is not an executive privilege claim. It’s federal officer removal. It is based on a statute (28 USC 1442) and requires the defendant be a federal officer “acting under color of” federal office, and have a plausible federal defense.

He is charged for participating in the phone calls and text messages to Georgia officials pressuring them to throw out the election results and declare Trump the winner and for sending them all the crazy election fraud theories with no supporting evidence or law in an attempt to justify the demand to blow up democracy.

None of that is remotely related to his official government duties. They are fraudulent campaign activities that he is supposed to be barred from doing while working in the White House.

Thank you for posting this. Hallelujah.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What happens is a lot of the MAGAs realize they have been duped, get mad at the "system" and never vote again. Combined with abortion hopefully getting settled by a pro-choice house and senate so as to never be an issue again, leaves the GOP without a voting base until it figures out a new platform.

Oh, hey, they have a new platform: Anti-Trans Hate!! Trans folk overrunning schools and kidnapping your children!! You read it here first, folks!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it is starting to sink in with some fringe MAGAs. From the people that I know personally. They are starting to admit Trump lost and would not accept it. He caused these problems on himself.

Hoping others are hearing similar from their brainwashed relatives.

I’m not holding out much hope these people will ever realize they were duped. However, someday Trump will be off the scene and they will lose interest because the clown is no longer at the circus.

It can't come soon enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows is trying to get the case moved to federal court. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics/mark-meadows-fulton-case-federal-court/index.html

My understanding is the law in question only changes the venue to a federal district court, but the jurisprudence remains the State of Georgia.

What does that mean for us non-lawyers?
If it means that the case will be tried under Georgia law even if it's in federal court, then what's the point of moving it to federal court?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meadows is trying to get the case moved to federal court. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics/mark-meadows-fulton-case-federal-court/index.html

There is no legal basis for granting this.

Well, Meadows actually was a federal officer at the time of the alleged activity. It's not a slam dunk, but he does have grounds.
However, not sure it would even make a difference. The Atlanta federal courthouse still pulls from the Atlanta metro.

I think it's a stretch to say that conspiring to overthrow an election was part of his official duties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meadows is trying to get the case moved to federal court. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics/mark-meadows-fulton-case-federal-court/index.html

My understanding is the law in question only changes the venue to a federal district court, but the jurisprudence remains the State of Georgia.

What does that mean for us non-lawyers?
If it means that the case will be tried under Georgia law even if it's in federal court, then what's the point of moving it to federal court?

One The federal jury will be more conservative and support Trump.
Two Federal courts will not show the trial on TV. Fox would be forced to cover or heavily edited anything about the trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Fulton County, Georgia, court's website briefly posted a document appearing to detail several criminal charges against Donald Trump this morning before taking the document down without explanation.

The document was dated Aug. 14 and named Trump, citing the case as "open."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What happens is a lot of the MAGAs realize they have been duped, get mad at the "system" and never vote again. Combined with abortion hopefully getting settled by a pro-choice house and senate so as to never be an issue again, leaves the GOP without a voting base until it figures out a new platform.

Oh, hey, they have a new platform: Anti-Trans Hate!! Trans folk overrunning schools and kidnapping your children!! You read it here first, folks!!

Yeah, this seems to be the next big "issue" for the right.

Hopefully, Covid has killed off more or their voters than the GOP thought.