Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond

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Anonymous wrote:I love the people attacking Hutchinson like she's as liberal as AOC. LOLOL.

She was part of the inner circle MAGA, a$$hats. She's only being attacked now b/c you don't like what she has to say.

She is being attacked because she is a well rehearsed probably paid liberal shill to embellish what she thinks she heard. If she lied about lunging for the car wheel, just imagine what else she is lying about.

A paid liberal shill who worked for Steve Scalise and then was an aide to Mark Meadows and worked 50 feet away from Trump's oval office. Maybe you could undermine your credibility a little more?

She was recruited by the left and her testimony was well rehearsed. Cannot wait to find records of payments she received. Lying to congress is a felony. Wonder how she will look in Orange. It is the new black you know!

You must have absolutely nothing factual at all to use a legitimate defense if this is what your trying to spin! Haha!

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She killed any chance she had at a career in R politics after this. Why on EARTH would she just make all of this up AND risk a felony charge?

I am pretty sure the only reason she was testifying prior to this was because she feared jail time. And my best guess of why they had her testify yesterday was because one of the witnesses being intimidated by these mob style "loyalty" notes was her.

You are dumb. Very dumb. There's an entire landscape of Republicans behind the scenes that want Trump gone. We've heard it for years. The goal here is to wrest control of the party back to relatively normal Republican ideals. The trick is getting rid pf Trump without attacking him and alienating the base. What Liz Cheney has been promised in the future for becoming the face of this movement, I don't know. But you are very naive if you think this is some random staffer coming forward without assurances that she has a future.

It is too late. The GOP cannot win a national election without the coalition of actual conservatives, Evangelicals and MAGAs.

Losing any one of these three groups will result in too few legitimate votes for a presidential candidates, and likely many Senate/House races in contested elections.

FTR I do think between 1/6 and the christofascism of the GOP that the GOP will lose massively in November (but I also think that their cheating is so blatant that they will switch votes in a few select absolute must-keep races), but I think that until the full extent of their corruption and cheating are exposed, they will keep rising. I do not believe in the existence of “good” Republicans any more. Anyone willing to vote for them is, whether or not they like it, is willing to vote for the whole package - grinding women into dust, violence against Black people and other minorities, endangering the lives of anyone who doesn’t live and identify as “WOMAN” or “MAN,” empowering corporations while the rest of us fade away, treason, sedition, ruining the environment… they cosign it all.

I’m not optimistic for the GOP really experiencing the full brunt of consequences. They have insulated themselves too much.

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The point of prosecuting Trump is to deter the next Trump waiting in the wings, and those who are willing to co conspire.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the people attacking Hutchinson like she's as liberal as AOC. LOLOL.

She was part of the inner circle MAGA, a$$hats. She's only being attacked now b/c you don't like what she has to say.

She is being attacked because she is a well rehearsed probably paid liberal shill to embellish what she thinks she heard. If she lied about lunging for the car wheel, just imagine what else she is lying about.

A paid liberal shill who worked for Steve Scalise and then was an aide to Mark Meadows and worked 50 feet away from Trump's oval office. Maybe you could undermine your credibility a little more?

She was recruited by the left and her testimony was well rehearsed. Cannot wait to find records of payments she received. Lying to congress is a felony. Wonder how she will look in Orange. It is the new black you know!

You must have absolutely nothing factual at all to use a legitimate defense if this is what your trying to spin! Haha!

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She killed any chance she had at a career in R politics after this. Why on EARTH would she just make all of this up AND risk a felony charge?

I am pretty sure the only reason she was testifying prior to this was because she feared jail time. And my best guess of why they had her testify yesterday was because one of the witnesses being intimidated by these mob style "loyalty" notes was her.

You are dumb. Very dumb. There's an entire landscape of Republicans behind the scenes that want Trump gone. We've heard it for years. The goal here is to wrest control of the party back to relatively normal Republican ideals. The trick is getting rid pf Trump without attacking him and alienating the base. What Liz Cheney has been promised in the future for becoming the face of this movement, I don't know. But you are very naive if you think this is some random staffer coming forward without assurances that she has a future.

I'm not the poster you responded to, and I know a lot of Republicans want to wrest their party away from Trump, but they've been trying since the 2016 Presidential campaign, and so far it hasn't worked well, has it? I DO NOT believe this staffer, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, or any other Republican involved in these hearings were promised anything, or are motivated by anything except wanting to tell their truth and try to persuade others that this Jan 6th event was planned by Trump and could have had ended in a successful coup. Which is why so many people REFUSED to testify - there's too much to lose, too little to gain, for a lot of them.

We can only hope that after these hearings, Trump will be damaged to the point where he cannot run again. That's my hope. I don't torture myself by hoping for any criminal investigation or jail time - it's not coming. He'll live out his life in Florida, whining on his deathbed that he won the 2020 election.

I agree that it is unlikely that trump will be prosecuted (though Italy’s democracy survived the burlesconi prosecution). What I do wonder though is about the conspirators around him. They’ve taken Eastman and Clark’s phones. I’m not a doj person but would imagine there would need to be good cause for that. I’m most interested in what meadows and cipelloni do. Executive privilege is not looking so strong and can it be used when a crime is involved? Lawyers are supposed to be officers of the court so I would think cipelloni needs to testify.

DP. Eastman, Clark, Cippilone and Meadows. Which of these men were at the Willard on the 5th? That would connect some dots for me.

"Dialing in" is just as treacherous.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes we know there all good little liberals with no corruption. The red wave is coming and the blues will have more violence as they exhibited in 2017.

The red wave came...was terrible...and many are already on jail.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the people attacking Hutchinson like she's as liberal as AOC. LOLOL.

She was part of the inner circle MAGA, a$$hats. She's only being attacked now b/c you don't like what she has to say.

She is being attacked because she is a well rehearsed probably paid liberal shill to embellish what she thinks she heard. If she lied about lunging for the car wheel, just imagine what else she is lying about.

A paid liberal shill who worked for Steve Scalise and then was an aide to Mark Meadows and worked 50 feet away from Trump's oval office. Maybe you could undermine your credibility a little more?

She was recruited by the left and her testimony was well rehearsed. Cannot wait to find records of payments she received. Lying to congress is a felony. Wonder how she will look in Orange. It is the new black you know!

You must have absolutely nothing factual at all to use a legitimate defense if this is what your trying to spin! Haha!

+1

She killed any chance she had at a career in R politics after this. Why on EARTH would she just make all of this up AND risk a felony charge?

I am pretty sure the only reason she was testifying prior to this was because she feared jail time. And my best guess of why they had her testify yesterday was because one of the witnesses being intimidated by these mob style "loyalty" notes was her.

You are dumb. Very dumb. There's an entire landscape of Republicans behind the scenes that want Trump gone. We've heard it for years. The goal here is to wrest control of the party back to relatively normal Republican ideals. The trick is getting rid pf Trump without attacking him and alienating the base. What Liz Cheney has been promised in the future for becoming the face of this movement, I don't know. But you are very naive if you think this is some random staffer coming forward without assurances that she has a future.

I'm not the poster you responded to, and I know a lot of Republicans want to wrest their party away from Trump, but they've been trying since the 2016 Presidential campaign, and so far it hasn't worked well, has it? I DO NOT believe this staffer, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, or any other Republican involved in these hearings were promised anything, or are motivated by anything except wanting to tell their truth and try to persuade others that this Jan 6th event was planned by Trump and could have had ended in a successful coup. Which is why so many people REFUSED to testify - there's too much to lose, too little to gain, for a lot of them.

We can only hope that after these hearings, Trump will be damaged to the point where he cannot run again. That's my hope. I don't torture myself by hoping for any criminal investigation or jail time - it's not coming. He'll live out his life in Florida, whining on his deathbed that he won the 2020 election.

I agree that it is unlikely that trump will be prosecuted (though Italy’s democracy survived the burlesconi prosecution). What I do wonder though is about the conspirators around him. They’ve taken Eastman and Clark’s phones. I’m not a doj person but would imagine there would need to be good cause for that. I’m most interested in what meadows and cipelloni do. Executive privilege is not looking so strong and can it be used when a crime is involved? Lawyers are supposed to be officers of the court so I would think cipelloni needs to testify.

DP. Eastman, Clark, Cippilone and Meadows. Which of these men were at the Willard on the 5th? That would connect some dots for me.

According to Hutchinson, Trump instructed Meadows to go to the Willard on the 5th. Hutchinson advised him not to. Meadows told Hutchinson he would dial in.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes we know there all good little liberals with no corruption. The red wave is coming and the blues will have more violence as they exhibited in 2017.

I imagine the little red books will follow the red wave.

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Do I recall correctly that there was part of a thread a couple of weeks ago about how the PB left their weapons in VA and MD so they wouldn't violate DC gun laws? And posters here suggested that because they followed the gun laws, it should be clear they weren't planning any other sort of illegal activity on 1/6?

Was it publicly known before yesterday that gunmen were stationed in trees? That's the first time I've seen those photos or hear that audio, and it left quite an impression.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the people attacking Hutchinson like she's as liberal as AOC. LOLOL.

She was part of the inner circle MAGA, a$$hats. She's only being attacked now b/c you don't like what she has to say.

She is being attacked because she is a well rehearsed probably paid liberal shill to embellish what she thinks she heard. If she lied about lunging for the car wheel, just imagine what else she is lying about.

A paid liberal shill who worked for Steve Scalise and then was an aide to Mark Meadows and worked 50 feet away from Trump's oval office. Maybe you could undermine your credibility a little more?

She was recruited by the left and her testimony was well rehearsed. Cannot wait to find records of payments she received. Lying to congress is a felony. Wonder how she will look in Orange. It is the new black you know!

You must have absolutely nothing factual at all to use a legitimate defense if this is what your trying to spin! Haha!

+1

She killed any chance she had at a career in R politics after this. Why on EARTH would she just make all of this up AND risk a felony charge?

I am pretty sure the only reason she was testifying prior to this was because she feared jail time. And my best guess of why they had her testify yesterday was because one of the witnesses being intimidated by these mob style "loyalty" notes was her.

You are dumb. Very dumb. There's an entire landscape of Republicans behind the scenes that want Trump gone. We've heard it for years. The goal here is to wrest control of the party back to relatively normal Republican ideals. The trick is getting rid pf Trump without attacking him and alienating the base. What Liz Cheney has been promised in the future for becoming the face of this movement, I don't know. But you are very naive if you think this is some random staffer coming forward without assurances that she has a future.

I'm not the poster you responded to, and I know a lot of Republicans want to wrest their party away from Trump, but they've been trying since the 2016 Presidential campaign, and so far it hasn't worked well, has it? I DO NOT believe this staffer, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, or any other Republican involved in these hearings were promised anything, or are motivated by anything except wanting to tell their truth and try to persuade others that this Jan 6th event was planned by Trump and could have had ended in a successful coup. Which is why so many people REFUSED to testify - there's too much to lose, too little to gain, for a lot of them.

We can only hope that after these hearings, Trump will be damaged to the point where he cannot run again. That's my hope. I don't torture myself by hoping for any criminal investigation or jail time - it's not coming. He'll live out his life in Florida, whining on his deathbed that he won the 2020 election.

I agree that it is unlikely that trump will be prosecuted (though Italy’s democracy survived the burlesconi prosecution). What I do wonder though is about the conspirators around him. They’ve taken Eastman and Clark’s phones. I’m not a doj person but would imagine there would need to be good cause for that. I’m most interested in what meadows and cipelloni do. Executive privilege is not looking so strong and can it be used when a crime is involved? Lawyers are supposed to be officers of the court so I would think cipelloni needs to testify.

DP. Eastman, Clark, Cippilone and Meadows. Which of these men were at the Willard on the 5th? That would connect some dots for me.

According to Hutchinson, Trump instructed Meadows to go to the Willard on the 5th. Hutchinson advised him not to. Meadows told Hutchinson he would dial in.

I wonder if the committee has broken anyone in the room? They can force Roger Stone to testify against everyone. It goes with a pardon.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car-raskin-comments/

According to this, Tony Oronato’s actions that day are of great interest to the committee. And Pence knew not to trust certain agents that day.

It’s very strange for a USS member to become political staff also.

You guys are missing the point of this posters link and comment (thank you 6:02) I’ll add— in addition to mounting evidence, it’s clear that an inside job was at work well before Jan 6.

From the above linked article:
Tim Giebels, Pence’s lead special agent in charge of his protective detail advised him of the plan to keep him away from the Capitol. Keith Kellogg, Pence’s national security adviser, confirmed that was the plan.

Pence: “I’m not getting in the car, Tim. I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.”

Tony Ornato, who oversaw Secret Service movements and was allgedly operating as Trump’s special political advisor, told Kellog they were planning to move the vice president to Joint Base Andrews.

Kellog: “You can’t do that, Tony. Leave him where he’s at. He’s got a job to do. I know you guys too well. You’ll fly him to Alaska if you have a chance. Don’t do it. He’s going to stay there. If he has to wait there all night, he’s going to do it.” Tony Ornato denies this conversation happened.

Very important to note: Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), was president pro tempore on January 6, 2021, meaning he can/would take on Pences’s duty. On January 5th, Grassley said that he would preside over the Senate’s Jan. 6 session because he didn’t expect Pence to be there. How could he possibly know that Pence wouldn’t be there?

[/b]Ornato also denies that he told Hutchinson about Trump’s physical altercation with Bobby Engel. [b]Roll the tape: After Trump’s speech at the Ellipse. Hutchinson testifies that she went back to the Chief of Staff’s office. Ornato was in the hall and waved Hutchinson into his office directly across from her office. Bobby Engel was in Ornato’s office.

Hutchinson states under oath that Ornato asked her: “Did you hear what fking happened in the beast (SUV)” and proceeded to tell her.
Trump screaming: “I’m the fcking president. Take me up to the Capitol now.” He reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Engel grabbed Trump’s arm and said: “Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We’re going back to the West Wing.” Trump then lunged at Engel.

Remember, Bobby Engel was there, while Ornato recounted the beast details. Engel did not confirm or deny. He also previously testified to the committee a watered down version of a disagreement between himself and Trump when they rerouted back to West Wing.

There’s so much more speculation and evidence of insider crimes. The list of pardon requests ironically had to go through Hutchinson lol. She provided a partial list in her testimony. Don’t sleep on Cassidy folks. Maybe they hired her for her pretty face, but she’s their ticket to hell.

18 U.S. Code § 2383
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

I am the one who posted that article. Thank you for expounding on it. Please note the article was written in April. The committee is on to Ornato.

The point about Grassley is absolutely insane.

The Grassley bit is easily one of the worst things about this. It wasn’t just Trump and Meadows and a few lackeys, which is kind of how I feel like Kinzinger and Cheney want this to shake out; the entire apparatus of the GOP was involved. Grassley isn’t some newbie like MTG (who, let’s be honest, had way more access to Trump than a freshman representative ought to have had), he’s one of the most senior Republicans. Which means Mitch knew, too.

The Hutchinson yesterday was interesting and all, and it was great to have someone under oath confirming that all publicly, but we kind of knew all that stuff too. The fact that the entire GOP was at least aware of the attempted coup and many more appear to have been involved and expected to have roles to play is just gobsmacking and isn’t being treated with near the gravity it should be.

Of course, Mitch knew. He is the wellspring of all evil in our government today. Everything leads back to Mitch.

I didn’t know many of Hutchinson’s details. I’m the poster that that elaborated on the article link from 6:02. It’s the first we’ve heard of Trump’s violence against his staff, right down to the WH valets etc. who had to clean up in his wake. I’m furious about the Grassley comment, and it’s the first I’d read about it. McConnell is an utter lying sob. For me, it solidifies that the committee chairs are going after the low hanging fruit. If it gets the job done, great I guess? This is Cheney’s spotlight, if it’s successful, then gratitude. But do not think for a second she (or Pence) should be hoisted up on a pedestal. Our memories won’t be short. I have more respect for Pence after reading the article above. He knew his duty. He knew Grassley’s plan. I was unaware until reading the article above. I hope people here will read it, or at least the recap.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the people attacking Hutchinson like she's as liberal as AOC. LOLOL.

She was part of the inner circle MAGA, a$$hats. She's only being attacked now b/c you don't like what she has to say.

She is being attacked because she is a well rehearsed probably paid liberal shill to embellish what she thinks she heard. If she lied about lunging for the car wheel, just imagine what else she is lying about.

A paid liberal shill who worked for Steve Scalise and then was an aide to Mark Meadows and worked 50 feet away from Trump's oval office. Maybe you could undermine your credibility a little more?

She was recruited by the left and her testimony was well rehearsed. Cannot wait to find records of payments she received. Lying to congress is a felony. Wonder how she will look in Orange. It is the new black you know!

You must have absolutely nothing factual at all to use a legitimate defense if this is what your trying to spin! Haha!

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She killed any chance she had at a career in R politics after this. Why on EARTH would she just make all of this up AND risk a felony charge?

I am pretty sure the only reason she was testifying prior to this was because she feared jail time. And my best guess of why they had her testify yesterday was because one of the witnesses being intimidated by these mob style "loyalty" notes was her.

You are dumb. Very dumb. There's an entire landscape of Republicans behind the scenes that want Trump gone. We've heard it for years. The goal here is to wrest control of the party back to relatively normal Republican ideals. The trick is getting rid pf Trump without attacking him and alienating the base. What Liz Cheney has been promised in the future for becoming the face of this movement, I don't know. But you are very naive if you think this is some random staffer coming forward without assurances that she has a future.

I'm not the poster you responded to, and I know a lot of Republicans want to wrest their party away from Trump, but they've been trying since the 2016 Presidential campaign, and so far it hasn't worked well, has it? I DO NOT believe this staffer, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, or any other Republican involved in these hearings were promised anything, or are motivated by anything except wanting to tell their truth and try to persuade others that this Jan 6th event was planned by Trump and could have had ended in a successful coup. Which is why so many people REFUSED to testify - there's too much to lose, too little to gain, for a lot of them.

We can only hope that after these hearings, Trump will be damaged to the point where he cannot run again. That's my hope. I don't torture myself by hoping for any criminal investigation or jail time - it's not coming. He'll live out his life in Florida, whining on his deathbed that he won the 2020 election.

I agree that it is unlikely that trump will be prosecuted (though Italy’s democracy survived the burlesconi prosecution). What I do wonder though is about the conspirators around him. They’ve taken Eastman and Clark’s phones. I’m not a doj person but would imagine there would need to be good cause for that. I’m most interested in what meadows and cipelloni do. Executive privilege is not looking so strong and can it be used when a crime is involved? Lawyers are supposed to be officers of the court so I would think cipelloni needs to testify.

DP. Eastman, Clark, Cippilone and Meadows. Which of these men were at the Willard on the 5th? That would connect some dots for me.

According to Hutchinson, Trump instructed Meadows to go to the Willard on the 5th. Hutchinson advised him not to. Meadows told Hutchinson he would dial in.

I wonder if the committee has broken anyone in the room? They can force Roger Stone to testify against everyone. It goes with a pardon.

Roger Stone is a true believing weirdo who has never had to experience a consequence for his weird ish in his life.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the people attacking Hutchinson like she's as liberal as AOC. LOLOL.

She was part of the inner circle MAGA, a$$hats. She's only being attacked now b/c you don't like what she has to say.

She is being attacked because she is a well rehearsed probably paid liberal shill to embellish what she thinks she heard. If she lied about lunging for the car wheel, just imagine what else she is lying about.

A paid liberal shill who worked for Steve Scalise and then was an aide to Mark Meadows and worked 50 feet away from Trump's oval office. Maybe you could undermine your credibility a little more?

She was recruited by the left and her testimony was well rehearsed. Cannot wait to find records of payments she received. Lying to congress is a felony. Wonder how she will look in Orange. It is the new black you know!

You must have absolutely nothing factual at all to use a legitimate defense if this is what your trying to spin! Haha!

+1

She killed any chance she had at a career in R politics after this. Why on EARTH would she just make all of this up AND risk a felony charge?

I am pretty sure the only reason she was testifying prior to this was because she feared jail time. And my best guess of why they had her testify yesterday was because one of the witnesses being intimidated by these mob style "loyalty" notes was her.

You are dumb. Very dumb. There's an entire landscape of Republicans behind the scenes that want Trump gone. We've heard it for years. The goal here is to wrest control of the party back to relatively normal Republican ideals. The trick is getting rid pf Trump without attacking him and alienating the base. What Liz Cheney has been promised in the future for becoming the face of this movement, I don't know. But you are very naive if you think this is some random staffer coming forward without assurances that she has a future.

I'm not the poster you responded to, and I know a lot of Republicans want to wrest their party away from Trump, but they've been trying since the 2016 Presidential campaign, and so far it hasn't worked well, has it? I DO NOT believe this staffer, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, or any other Republican involved in these hearings were promised anything, or are motivated by anything except wanting to tell their truth and try to persuade others that this Jan 6th event was planned by Trump and could have had ended in a successful coup. Which is why so many people REFUSED to testify - there's too much to lose, too little to gain, for a lot of them.

We can only hope that after these hearings, Trump will be damaged to the point where he cannot run again. That's my hope. I don't torture myself by hoping for any criminal investigation or jail time - it's not coming. He'll live out his life in Florida, whining on his deathbed that he won the 2020 election.

I'm the PP and let me be clear, I don't think the motivation of Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, or Cassidy Hutchinson is purely transactional. I think they are also doing this because they believe it's the right thing to do. But I also don't believe it's happening in a vacuum. There's a person or people behind the scenes working on the people they can get to tell their stories to tell them. Cassidy Hutchinson didn't just switch lawyers on her own.

Her first lawyer was coup-adjacent. It’s possible that some of his advice wasn’t in her best interest.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car-raskin-comments/

According to this, Tony Oronato’s actions that day are of great interest to the committee. And Pence knew not to trust certain agents that day.

It’s very strange for a USS member to become political staff also.

You guys are missing the point of this posters link and comment (thank you 6:02) I’ll add— in addition to mounting evidence, it’s clear that an inside job was at work well before Jan 6.

From the above linked article:
Tim Giebels, Pence’s lead special agent in charge of his protective detail advised him of the plan to keep him away from the Capitol. Keith Kellogg, Pence’s national security adviser, confirmed that was the plan.

Pence: “I’m not getting in the car, Tim. I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.”

Tony Ornato, who oversaw Secret Service movements and was allgedly operating as Trump’s special political advisor, told Kellog they were planning to move the vice president to Joint Base Andrews.

Kellog: “You can’t do that, Tony. Leave him where he’s at. He’s got a job to do. I know you guys too well. You’ll fly him to Alaska if you have a chance. Don’t do it. He’s going to stay there. If he has to wait there all night, he’s going to do it.” Tony Ornato denies this conversation happened.

Very important to note: Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), was president pro tempore on January 6, 2021, meaning he can/would take on Pences’s duty. On January 5th, Grassley said that he would preside over the Senate’s Jan. 6 session because he didn’t expect Pence to be there. How could he possibly know that Pence wouldn’t be there?

[/b]Ornato also denies that he told Hutchinson about Trump’s physical altercation with Bobby Engel. [b]Roll the tape: After Trump’s speech at the Ellipse. Hutchinson testifies that she went back to the Chief of Staff’s office. Ornato was in the hall and waved Hutchinson into his office directly across from her office. Bobby Engel was in Ornato’s office.

Hutchinson states under oath that Ornato asked her: “Did you hear what fking happened in the beast (SUV)” and proceeded to tell her.
Trump screaming: “I’m the fcking president. Take me up to the Capitol now.” He reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Engel grabbed Trump’s arm and said: “Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We’re going back to the West Wing.” Trump then lunged at Engel.

Remember, Bobby Engel was there, while Ornato recounted the beast details. Engel did not confirm or deny. He also previously testified to the committee a watered down version of a disagreement between himself and Trump when they rerouted back to West Wing.

There’s so much more speculation and evidence of insider crimes. The list of pardon requests ironically had to go through Hutchinson lol. She provided a partial list in her testimony. Don’t sleep on Cassidy folks. Maybe they hired her for her pretty face, but she’s their ticket to hell.

18 U.S. Code § 2383
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

I am the one who posted that article. Thank you for expounding on it. Please note the article was written in April. The committee is on to Ornato.

The point about Grassley is absolutely insane.

The Grassley bit is easily one of the worst things about this. It wasn’t just Trump and Meadows and a few lackeys, which is kind of how I feel like Kinzinger and Cheney want this to shake out; the entire apparatus of the GOP was involved. Grassley isn’t some newbie like MTG (who, let’s be honest, had way more access to Trump than a freshman representative ought to have had), he’s one of the most senior Republicans. Which means Mitch knew, too.

The Hutchinson yesterday was interesting and all, and it was great to have someone under oath confirming that all publicly, but we kind of knew all that stuff too. The fact that the entire GOP was at least aware of the attempted coup and many more appear to have been involved and expected to have roles to play is just gobsmacking and isn’t being treated with near the gravity it should be.

Of course, Mitch knew. He is the wellspring of all evil in our government today. Everything leads back to Mitch.

I didn’t know many of Hutchinson’s details. I’m the poster that that elaborated on the article link from 6:02. It’s the first we’ve heard of Trump’s violence against his staff, right down to the WH valets etc. who had to clean up in his wake. I’m furious about the Grassley comment, and it’s the first I’d read about it. McConnell is an utter lying sob. For me, it solidifies that the committee chairs are going after the low hanging fruit. If it gets the job done, great I guess? This is Cheney’s spotlight, if it’s successful, then gratitude. But do not think for a second she (or Pence) should be hoisted up on a pedestal. Our memories won’t be short. I have more respect for Pence after reading the article above. He knew his duty. He knew Grassley’s plan. I was unaware until reading the article above. I hope people here will read it, or at least the recap.

Hmm-yeah.... Pence wants to outlaw abortion in the entire USA. So I'll respect him for his refusal to do a crime (what a low bar!), but not for anything else. He's refused to testify, he's refused to publicly condemn Trump, he's an extreme religious conservative and plans to govern with those precepts...

And Cheney isn't much better in real life, although yes, kudos to her for being so gung-ho about downing Trump.

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More huge holes in her testimony.

Was any of her testimony based on fact? Hard to know.......

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Anonymous wrote:Do I recall correctly that there was part of a thread a couple of weeks ago about how the PB left their weapons in VA and MD so they wouldn't violate DC gun laws? And posters here suggested that because they followed the gun laws, it should be clear they weren't planning any other sort of illegal activity on 1/6?

Was it publicly known before yesterday that gunmen were stationed in trees? That's the first time I've seen those photos or hear that audio, and it left quite an impression.

I had never seen that footage and yes, it was something. But I do know there were lots of interviews right after 1/6 with MPD officers who said they had been taking guns off people all day and the day before leading up to the attack on the Capitol. Some at the Capitol were armed, some had planned ahead and stashed guns in Arlington. Some clearly did have weapons.

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Anonymous wrote:Do I recall correctly that there was part of a thread a couple of weeks ago about how the PB left their weapons in VA and MD so they wouldn't violate DC gun laws? And posters here suggested that because they followed the gun laws, it should be clear they weren't planning any other sort of illegal activity on 1/6?

Was it publicly known before yesterday that gunmen were stationed in trees? That's the first time I've seen those photos or hear that audio, and it left quite an impression.

Same. Something about when the security officer on the radio was alerting others to an "elevated threat," referring to the armed insurrectionists in the trees, made me oddly uneasy. I say "oddly," because even though it's all dangerous madness, for some reason, the "elevated threat" struck me more intensely than the other testimony.