Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond

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Anonymous wrote:trump always uses the same sad defense. Why do his followers continue to fall for it?

Because they are gullible. Like taking candy from a baby.

Also, they do not want to admit they voted for a lunatic.

This. It's ego protection for many of them at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. I just read the transcript from yesterday and it was very damning for Trump. I don’t see how his supporters and Republicans can ignore this.

We don’t believe her testimony one bit. She has proven to have been lying and sharing hearsay. She is not a credible witness. She is well rehearsed and well polished but nothing but a BS artist.

Cultists reflexively dismiss any source of information that undermines their leader.

And they ignorantly toss about words like "hearsay" as if they understand the word, while proving they don't as they utter it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:trump always uses the same sad defense. Why do his followers continue to fall for it?

Because they are gullible. Like taking candy from a baby.

Also, they do not want to admit they voted for a lunatic.

This. It's ego protection for many of them at this point.

They don’t have to admit it. They just need to stop actively supporting and defending it. Many are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. I just read the transcript from yesterday and it was very damning for Trump. I don’t see how his supporters and Republicans can ignore this.

We don’t believe her testimony one bit. She has proven to have been lying and sharing hearsay. She is not a credible witness. She is well rehearsed and well polished but nothing but a BS artist.

She is under oath before the US House of Representatives. Maybe if others dispute her accounts, they will be willing to do the same. Until then, your conjecture is worthless.

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Yes, the pathetic little troll on here proves that the MAGA camp has no defense whatsoever. Their attacks that all witnesses are paid by the Democrats and that there is credible evidence they lied is... laughable. Come out with the sworn statements then! Where are the pay stubs?

Republican leadership is not laughing right now. The likes of Jim Jordan may be pretending to laugh on Twitter, but in reality, they're all consulting their lawyers on how to best avoid fallout, and how to pivot to DeSantis...

Which for the Democrats isn't better. DeSantis is a right-wing Republican who plays hardball. Pretty formidable adversary and in many ways more competent than Trump.

For the country, though, DeSantis is better than Trump, because he's not likely to need an aide purloining a signed order on the Oval Office desk, to prevent Trump's imminent threats to North Korea. Trump was incredibly dangerous. Our country was saved from numerous awful decisions just because White House staffers, by hook AND by crook, kept Trump from going over the guardrails. Another term might get us into WWIII.

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The committee’s job has become to prepare the American people for the idea of criminal prosecution.
More people are coming around to it.

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Anonymous wrote:The committee’s job has become to prepare the American people for the idea of criminal prosecution.
More people are coming around to it.

It always was.

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Anonymous wrote:The committee’s job has become to prepare the American people for the idea of criminal prosecution.
More people are coming around to it.

Yes indeed!

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car-raskin-comments/

According to this, Tony Oronato’s actions that day are of great interest to the committee. And Pence knew not to trust certain agents that day.

It’s very strange for a USS member to become political staff also.

You guys are missing the point of this posters link and comment (thank you 6:02) I’ll add— in addition to mounting evidence, it’s clear that an inside job was at work well before Jan 6.

From the above linked article:
Tim Giebels, Pence’s lead special agent in charge of his protective detail advised him of the plan to keep him away from the Capitol. Keith Kellogg, Pence’s national security adviser, confirmed that was the plan.

Pence: “I’m not getting in the car, Tim. I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.”

Tony Ornato, who oversaw Secret Service movements and was allgedly operating as Trump’s special political advisor, told Kellog they were planning to move the vice president to Joint Base Andrews.

Kellog: “You can’t do that, Tony. Leave him where he’s at. He’s got a job to do. I know you guys too well. You’ll fly him to Alaska if you have a chance. Don’t do it. He’s going to stay there. If he has to wait there all night, he’s going to do it.” Tony Ornato denies this conversation happened.

Very important to note: Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), was president pro tempore on January 6, 2021, meaning he can/would take on Pences’s duty. On January 5th, Grassley said that he would preside over the Senate’s Jan. 6 session because he didn’t expect Pence to be there. How could he possibly know that Pence wouldn’t be there?

[/b]Ornato also denies that he told Hutchinson about Trump’s physical altercation with Bobby Engel. [b]Roll the tape: After Trump’s speech at the Ellipse. Hutchinson testifies that she went back to the Chief of Staff’s office. Ornato was in the hall and waved Hutchinson into his office directly across from her office. Bobby Engel was in Ornato’s office.

Hutchinson states under oath that Ornato asked her: “Did you hear what fking happened in the beast (SUV)” and proceeded to tell her.
Trump screaming: “I’m the fcking president. Take me up to the Capitol now.” He reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Engel grabbed Trump’s arm and said: “Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We’re going back to the West Wing.” Trump then lunged at Engel.

Remember, Bobby Engel was there, while Ornato recounted the beast details. Engel did not confirm or deny. He also previously testified to the committee a watered down version of a disagreement between himself and Trump when they rerouted back to West Wing.

There’s so much more speculation and evidence of insider crimes. The list of pardon requests ironically had to go through Hutchinson lol. She provided a partial list in her testimony. Don’t sleep on Cassidy folks. Maybe they hired her for her pretty face, but she’s their ticket to hell.

18 U.S. Code § 2383
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

I am the one who posted that article. Thank you for expounding on it. Please note the article was written in April. The committee is on to Ornato.

The point about Grassley is absolutely insane.

The Grassley bit is easily one of the worst things about this. It wasn’t just Trump and Meadows and a few lackeys, which is kind of how I feel like Kinzinger and Cheney want this to shake out; the entire apparatus of the GOP was involved. Grassley isn’t some newbie like MTG (who, let’s be honest, had way more access to Trump than a freshman representative ought to have had), he’s one of the most senior Republicans. Which means Mitch knew, too.

The Hutchinson yesterday was interesting and all, and it was great to have someone under oath confirming that all publicly, but we kind of knew all that stuff too. The fact that the entire GOP was at least aware of the attempted coup and many more appear to have been involved and expected to have roles to play is just gobsmacking and isn’t being treated with near the gravity it should be.

Of course, Mitch knew. He is the wellspring of all evil in our government today. Everything leads back to Mitch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car-raskin-comments/

According to this, Tony Oronato’s actions that day are of great interest to the committee. And Pence knew not to trust certain agents that day.

It’s very strange for a USS member to become political staff also.

You guys are missing the point of this posters link and comment (thank you 6:02) I’ll add— in addition to mounting evidence, it’s clear that an inside job was at work well before Jan 6.

From the above linked article:
Tim Giebels, Pence’s lead special agent in charge of his protective detail advised him of the plan to keep him away from the Capitol. Keith Kellogg, Pence’s national security adviser, confirmed that was the plan.

Pence: “I’m not getting in the car, Tim. I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.”

Tony Ornato, who oversaw Secret Service movements and was allgedly operating as Trump’s special political advisor, told Kellog they were planning to move the vice president to Joint Base Andrews.

Kellog: “You can’t do that, Tony. Leave him where he’s at. He’s got a job to do. I know you guys too well. You’ll fly him to Alaska if you have a chance. Don’t do it. He’s going to stay there. If he has to wait there all night, he’s going to do it.” Tony Ornato denies this conversation happened.

Very important to note: Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), was president pro tempore on January 6, 2021, meaning he can/would take on Pences’s duty. On January 5th, Grassley said that he would preside over the Senate’s Jan. 6 session because he didn’t expect Pence to be there. How could he possibly know that Pence wouldn’t be there?

[/b]Ornato also denies that he told Hutchinson about Trump’s physical altercation with Bobby Engel. [b]Roll the tape: After Trump’s speech at the Ellipse. Hutchinson testifies that she went back to the Chief of Staff’s office. Ornato was in the hall and waved Hutchinson into his office directly across from her office. Bobby Engel was in Ornato’s office.

Hutchinson states under oath that Ornato asked her: “Did you hear what fking happened in the beast (SUV)” and proceeded to tell her.
Trump screaming: “I’m the fcking president. Take me up to the Capitol now.” He reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Engel grabbed Trump’s arm and said: “Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We’re going back to the West Wing.” Trump then lunged at Engel.

Remember, Bobby Engel was there, while Ornato recounted the beast details. Engel did not confirm or deny. He also previously testified to the committee a watered down version of a disagreement between himself and Trump when they rerouted back to West Wing.

There’s so much more speculation and evidence of insider crimes. The list of pardon requests ironically had to go through Hutchinson lol. She provided a partial list in her testimony. Don’t sleep on Cassidy folks. Maybe they hired her for her pretty face, but she’s their ticket to hell.

18 U.S. Code § 2383
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

I am the one who posted that article. Thank you for expounding on it. Please note the article was written in April. The committee is on to Ornato.

The point about Grassley is absolutely insane.

The Grassley bit is easily one of the worst things about this. It wasn’t just Trump and Meadows and a few lackeys, which is kind of how I feel like Kinzinger and Cheney want this to shake out; the entire apparatus of the GOP was involved. Grassley isn’t some newbie like MTG (who, let’s be honest, had way more access to Trump than a freshman representative ought to have had), he’s one of the most senior Republicans. Which means Mitch knew, too.

The Hutchinson yesterday was interesting and all, and it was great to have someone under oath confirming that all publicly, but we kind of knew all that stuff too. The fact that the entire GOP was at least aware of the attempted coup and many more appear to have been involved and expected to have roles to play is just gobsmacking and isn’t being treated with near the gravity it should be.

Of course, Mitch knew. He is the wellspring of all evil in our government today. Everything leads back to Mitch.

Hard to believe that he didn’t. But hard to believe that he intended to put his own life at risk. He must have been scared when his security carried him away from the mob. And his wife resigned that day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:trump always uses the same sad defense. Why do his followers continue to fall for it?

Because they are gullible. Like taking candy from a baby.

Also, they do not want to admit they voted for a lunatic.

This. It's ego protection for many of them at this point.

And this is why I ended every friendship with ppl who voted for Trump. I don't want stupid friends. How did they NOT see this coming.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the people attacking Hutchinson like she's as liberal as AOC. LOLOL.

She was part of the inner circle MAGA, a$$hats. She's only being attacked now b/c you don't like what she has to say.

She is being attacked because she is a well rehearsed probably paid liberal shill to embellish what she thinks she heard. If she lied about lunging for the car wheel, just imagine what else she is lying about.

A paid liberal shill who worked for Steve Scalise and then was an aide to Mark Meadows and worked 50 feet away from Trump's oval office. Maybe you could undermine your credibility a little more?

She was recruited by the left and her testimony was well rehearsed. Cannot wait to find records of payments she received. Lying to congress is a felony. Wonder how she will look in Orange. It is the new black you know!

You must have absolutely nothing factual at all to use a legitimate defense if this is what your trying to spin! Haha!

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She killed any chance she had at a career in R politics after this. Why on EARTH would she just make all of this up AND risk a felony charge?

I am pretty sure the only reason she was testifying prior to this was because she feared jail time. And my best guess of why they had her testify yesterday was because one of the witnesses being intimidated by these mob style "loyalty" notes was her.

You are dumb. Very dumb. There's an entire landscape of Republicans behind the scenes that want Trump gone. We've heard it for years. The goal here is to wrest control of the party back to relatively normal Republican ideals. The trick is getting rid pf Trump without attacking him and alienating the base. What Liz Cheney has been promised in the future for becoming the face of this movement, I don't know. But you are very naive if you think this is some random staffer coming forward without assurances that she has a future.

I'm not the poster you responded to, and I know a lot of Republicans want to wrest their party away from Trump, but they've been trying since the 2016 Presidential campaign, and so far it hasn't worked well, has it? I DO NOT believe this staffer, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, or any other Republican involved in these hearings were promised anything, or are motivated by anything except wanting to tell their truth and try to persuade others that this Jan 6th event was planned by Trump and could have had ended in a successful coup. Which is why so many people REFUSED to testify - there's too much to lose, too little to gain, for a lot of them.

We can only hope that after these hearings, Trump will be damaged to the point where he cannot run again. That's my hope. I don't torture myself by hoping for any criminal investigation or jail time - it's not coming. He'll live out his life in Florida, whining on his deathbed that he won the 2020 election.

I agree that it is unlikely that trump will be prosecuted (though Italy’s democracy survived the burlesconi prosecution). What I do wonder though is about the conspirators around him. They’ve taken Eastman and Clark’s phones. I’m not a doj person but would imagine there would need to be good cause for that. I’m most interested in what meadows and cipelloni do. Executive privilege is not looking so strong and can it be used when a crime is involved? Lawyers are supposed to be officers of the court so I would think cipelloni needs to testify.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love the people attacking Hutchinson like she's as liberal as AOC. LOLOL.

She was part of the inner circle MAGA, a$$hats. She's only being attacked now b/c you don't like what she has to say.

She is being attacked because she is a well rehearsed probably paid liberal shill to embellish what she thinks she heard. If she lied about lunging for the car wheel, just imagine what else she is lying about.

A paid liberal shill who worked for Steve Scalise and then was an aide to Mark Meadows and worked 50 feet away from Trump's oval office. Maybe you could undermine your credibility a little more?

She was recruited by the left and her testimony was well rehearsed. Cannot wait to find records of payments she received. Lying to congress is a felony. Wonder how she will look in Orange. It is the new black you know!

You must have absolutely nothing factual at all to use a legitimate defense if this is what your trying to spin! Haha!

+1

She killed any chance she had at a career in R politics after this. Why on EARTH would she just make all of this up AND risk a felony charge?

I am pretty sure the only reason she was testifying prior to this was because she feared jail time. And my best guess of why they had her testify yesterday was because one of the witnesses being intimidated by these mob style "loyalty" notes was her.

You are dumb. Very dumb. There's an entire landscape of Republicans behind the scenes that want Trump gone. We've heard it for years. The goal here is to wrest control of the party back to relatively normal Republican ideals. The trick is getting rid pf Trump without attacking him and alienating the base. What Liz Cheney has been promised in the future for becoming the face of this movement, I don't know. But you are very naive if you think this is some random staffer coming forward without assurances that she has a future.

I'm not the poster you responded to, and I know a lot of Republicans want to wrest their party away from Trump, but they've been trying since the 2016 Presidential campaign, and so far it hasn't worked well, has it? I DO NOT believe this staffer, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, or any other Republican involved in these hearings were promised anything, or are motivated by anything except wanting to tell their truth and try to persuade others that this Jan 6th event was planned by Trump and could have had ended in a successful coup. Which is why so many people REFUSED to testify - there's too much to lose, too little to gain, for a lot of them.

We can only hope that after these hearings, Trump will be damaged to the point where he cannot run again. That's my hope. I don't torture myself by hoping for any criminal investigation or jail time - it's not coming. He'll live out his life in Florida, whining on his deathbed that he won the 2020 election.

I agree that it is unlikely that trump will be prosecuted (though Italy’s democracy survived the burlesconi prosecution). What I do wonder though is about the conspirators around him. They’ve taken Eastman and Clark’s phones. I’m not a doj person but would imagine there would need to be good cause for that. I’m most interested in what meadows and cipelloni do. Executive privilege is not looking so strong and can it be used when a crime is involved? Lawyers are supposed to be officers of the court so I would think cipelloni needs to testify.

DP. Eastman, Clark, Cippilone and Meadows. Which of these men were at the Willard on the 5th? That would connect some dots for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the pathetic little troll on here proves that the MAGA camp has no defense whatsoever. Their attacks that all witnesses are paid by the Democrats and that there is credible evidence they lied is... laughable. Come out with the sworn statements then! Where are the pay stubs?

Republican leadership is not laughing right now. The likes of Jim Jordan may be pretending to laugh on Twitter, but in reality, they're all consulting their lawyers on how to best avoid fallout, and how to pivot to DeSantis...

Which for the Democrats isn't better. DeSantis is a right-wing Republican who plays hardball. Pretty formidable adversary and in many ways more competent than Trump.

For the country, though, DeSantis is better than Trump, because he's not likely to need an aide purloining a signed order on the Oval Office desk, to prevent Trump's imminent threats to North Korea. Trump was incredibly dangerous. Our country was saved from numerous awful decisions just because White House staffers, by hook AND by crook, kept Trump from going over the guardrails. Another term might get us into WWIII.
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If was even worse. The threats were to South Korea

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love the people attacking Hutchinson like she's as liberal as AOC. LOLOL.

She was part of the inner circle MAGA, a$$hats. She's only being attacked now b/c you don't like what she has to say.

She is being attacked because she is a well rehearsed probably paid liberal shill to embellish what she thinks she heard. If she lied about lunging for the car wheel, just imagine what else she is lying about.

A paid liberal shill who worked for Steve Scalise and then was an aide to Mark Meadows and worked 50 feet away from Trump's oval office. Maybe you could undermine your credibility a little more?

She was recruited by the left and her testimony was well rehearsed. Cannot wait to find records of payments she received. Lying to congress is a felony. Wonder how she will look in Orange. It is the new black you know!

You must have absolutely nothing factual at all to use a legitimate defense if this is what your trying to spin! Haha!

+1

She killed any chance she had at a career in R politics after this. Why on EARTH would she just make all of this up AND risk a felony charge?

I am pretty sure the only reason she was testifying prior to this was because she feared jail time. And my best guess of why they had her testify yesterday was because one of the witnesses being intimidated by these mob style "loyalty" notes was her.

You are dumb. Very dumb. There's an entire landscape of Republicans behind the scenes that want Trump gone. We've heard it for years. The goal here is to wrest control of the party back to relatively normal Republican ideals. The trick is getting rid pf Trump without attacking him and alienating the base. What Liz Cheney has been promised in the future for becoming the face of this movement, I don't know. But you are very naive if you think this is some random staffer coming forward without assurances that she has a future.

I'm not the poster you responded to, and I know a lot of Republicans want to wrest their party away from Trump, but they've been trying since the 2016 Presidential campaign, and so far it hasn't worked well, has it? I DO NOT believe this staffer, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, or any other Republican involved in these hearings were promised anything, or are motivated by anything except wanting to tell their truth and try to persuade others that this Jan 6th event was planned by Trump and could have had ended in a successful coup. Which is why so many people REFUSED to testify - there's too much to lose, too little to gain, for a lot of them.

We can only hope that after these hearings, Trump will be damaged to the point where he cannot run again. That's my hope. I don't torture myself by hoping for any criminal investigation or jail time - it's not coming. He'll live out his life in Florida, whining on his deathbed that he won the 2020 election.

I'm the PP and let me be clear, I don't think the motivation of Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, or Cassidy Hutchinson is purely transactional. I think they are also doing this because they believe it's the right thing to do. But I also don't believe it's happening in a vacuum. There's a person or people behind the scenes working on the people they can get to tell their stories to tell them. Cassidy Hutchinson didn't just switch lawyers on her own.