NJ to teach gender lessons

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Anonymous wrote:This is the same bigoted Chris Rufo who made up CRT out of thin air. The guy is a Koch-backed think tank dweeb in pleated khakis.

Which schools are teaching about Rainbow pride flags in preK? NONE. We go to one of the most progressive preschools in DC and they don’t teach about that. And, even if they did, the vaaaaaaaast majority of preK in this country is private schools. So parents can exercise their choice.

I just can’t with this naked bigot.


So, slam the messenger when there is evidence you don't like.
Truth is..... this type of crap is happening more than anyone previously knew.


“Crap”

There are all kinds of families and we should be kind to everyone?

Is that really what you consider “crap”?


Telling five-year olds that they can “feel like” a boy or a girl and change that material fact is the “crap”.


Why is that “crap”?


What does it mean to “feel like a girl” or “feel like a boy”?


Those mean different things to different people.

Why is it crap?


Telling a 5 YO boy that if they "feel like" a girl and they can change to be a girl is just blatantly anti-science.
It is at the very least confusing for a 5 YO.
You cannot change your sex. You just can't.
Anonymous
Taylor & Francis has junk science. But even their studies say <20%

Still haven’t seen “several reputable studies” supporting “The vast majority of gender dysphoric youth go on to identify as their biological sex” or “the percentage that go on to identify as their birth gender by young adulthood, and the above study shows 80%.”

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Anonymous wrote:This is the same bigoted Chris Rufo who made up CRT out of thin air. The guy is a Koch-backed think tank dweeb in pleated khakis.

Which schools are teaching about Rainbow pride flags in preK? NONE. We go to one of the most progressive preschools in DC and they don’t teach about that. And, even if they did, the vaaaaaaaast majority of preK in this country is private schools. So parents can exercise their choice.

I just can’t with this naked bigot.


So, slam the messenger when there is evidence you don't like.
Truth is..... this type of crap is happening more than anyone previously knew.


“Crap”

There are all kinds of families and we should be kind to everyone?

Is that really what you consider “crap”?


Telling five-year olds that they can “feel like” a boy or a girl and change that material fact is the “crap”.


Why is that “crap”?


What does it mean to “feel like a girl” or “feel like a boy”?


Those mean different things to different people.

Why is it crap?


Telling a 5 YO boy that if they "feel like" a girl and they can change to be a girl is just blatantly anti-science.
It is at the very least confusing for a 5 YO.
You cannot change your sex. You just can't.


We are discussing gender, not sex.
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Anonymous wrote:This is the same bigoted Chris Rufo who made up CRT out of thin air. The guy is a Koch-backed think tank dweeb in pleated khakis.

Which schools are teaching about Rainbow pride flags in preK? NONE. We go to one of the most progressive preschools in DC and they don’t teach about that. And, even if they did, the vaaaaaaaast majority of preK in this country is private schools. So parents can exercise their choice.

I just can’t with this naked bigot.


So, slam the messenger when there is evidence you don't like.
Truth is..... this type of crap is happening more than anyone previously knew.


“Crap”

There are all kinds of families and we should be kind to everyone?

Is that really what you consider “crap”?


Telling five-year olds that they can “feel like” a boy or a girl and change that material fact is the “crap”.


You know that refusing to recognize it won’t stop kids from being trans, right? It just makes them more likely to kill themselves out of fear of rejection by people like you.

Maybe you’d rather have a dead kid than a trans kid, but I sure as hell wouldn’t.


If a child is suicidal they should be receiving mental health treatment, not changing their bodies. Where else do we respond to threats of suicide by giving the person what is asked instead of giving them therapy?


You are conflating GD and depression.


That makes no sense.


Not sure why that doesn’t make sense to you. They are two different diagnoses.
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Anonymous wrote:This is the same bigoted Chris Rufo who made up CRT out of thin air. The guy is a Koch-backed think tank dweeb in pleated khakis.

Which schools are teaching about Rainbow pride flags in preK? NONE. We go to one of the most progressive preschools in DC and they don’t teach about that. And, even if they did, the vaaaaaaaast majority of preK in this country is private schools. So parents can exercise their choice.

I just can’t with this naked bigot.


So, slam the messenger when there is evidence you don't like.
Truth is..... this type of crap is happening more than anyone previously knew.


“Crap”

There are all kinds of families and we should be kind to everyone?

Is that really what you consider “crap”?


Telling five-year olds that they can “feel like” a boy or a girl and change that material fact is the “crap”.


Why is that “crap”?


What does it mean to “feel like a girl” or “feel like a boy”?


Those mean different things to different people.

Why is it crap?


Telling a 5 YO boy that if they "feel like" a girl and they can change to be a girl is just blatantly anti-science.
It is at the very least confusing for a 5 YO.
You cannot change your sex. You just can't.


We are discussing gender, not sex.


Gender does NOT supersede sex. Gender USED to be a term interchangeable with "sex" to designate male or female. One's sex cannot be changed.
A 5 YO does not understand the concept of "gender" as it is currently used.
There is no place for gender instruction in the elementary years.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the same bigoted Chris Rufo who made up CRT out of thin air. The guy is a Koch-backed think tank dweeb in pleated khakis.

Which schools are teaching about Rainbow pride flags in preK? NONE. We go to one of the most progressive preschools in DC and they don’t teach about that. And, even if they did, the vaaaaaaaast majority of preK in this country is private schools. So parents can exercise their choice.

I just can’t with this naked bigot.


So, slam the messenger when there is evidence you don't like.
Truth is..... this type of crap is happening more than anyone previously knew.


“Crap”

There are all kinds of families and we should be kind to everyone?

Is that really what you consider “crap”?


Telling five-year olds that they can “feel like” a boy or a girl and change that material fact is the “crap”.


Why is that “crap”?


What does it mean to “feel like a girl” or “feel like a boy”?


Those mean different things to different people.

Why is it crap?


Telling a 5 YO boy that if they "feel like" a girl and they can change to be a girl is just blatantly anti-science.
It is at the very least confusing for a 5 YO.
You cannot change your sex. You just can't.


We are discussing gender, not sex.


Gender does NOT supersede sex. Gender USED to be a term interchangeable with "sex" to designate male or female. One's sex cannot be changed.
A 5 YO does not understand the concept of "gender" as it is currently used.
There is no place for gender instruction in the elementary years.


They are two different things.

Sounds like you are stuck in the past. Here’s a good explanation for you:
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/what-do-we-mean-by-sex-and-gender/

Hope that clarified things for you.

Why would there be an age restriction on gender instruction? Kids will get it much more easily than some of the old-timers on this thread. They also understand why it’s important to be nice to everyone. Maybe you can learn something from these kids.


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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the same bigoted Chris Rufo who made up CRT out of thin air. The guy is a Koch-backed think tank dweeb in pleated khakis.

Which schools are teaching about Rainbow pride flags in preK? NONE. We go to one of the most progressive preschools in DC and they don’t teach about that. And, even if they did, the vaaaaaaaast majority of preK in this country is private schools. So parents can exercise their choice.

I just can’t with this naked bigot.


So, slam the messenger when there is evidence you don't like.
Truth is..... this type of crap is happening more than anyone previously knew.


“Crap”

There are all kinds of families and we should be kind to everyone?

Is that really what you consider “crap”?


Telling five-year olds that they can “feel like” a boy or a girl and change that material fact is the “crap”.


Why is that “crap”?


What does it mean to “feel like a girl” or “feel like a boy”?


Those mean different things to different people.

Why is it crap?


Telling a 5 YO boy that if they "feel like" a girl and they can change to be a girl is just blatantly anti-science.
It is at the very least confusing for a 5 YO.
You cannot change your sex. You just can't.


We are discussing gender, not sex.


Gender does NOT supersede sex. Gender USED to be a term interchangeable with "sex" to designate male or female. One's sex cannot be changed.
A 5 YO does not understand the concept of "gender" as it is currently used.
There is no place for gender instruction in the elementary years.


They are two different things.

Sounds like you are stuck in the past. Here’s a good explanation for you:
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/what-do-we-mean-by-sex-and-gender/

Hope that clarified things for you.

Why would there be an age restriction on gender instruction? Kids will get it much more easily than some of the old-timers on this thread. They also understand why it’s important to be nice to everyone. Maybe you can learn something from these kids.




You think that’s going to make sense to a five year old?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Taylor & Francis has junk science. But even their studies say <20%

Still haven’t seen “several reputable studies” supporting “The vast majority of gender dysphoric youth go on to identify as their biological sex” or “the percentage that go on to identify as their birth gender by young adulthood, and the above study shows 80%.”



"There have been eleven research studies to date indicating a high rate of resolution of gender incongruence in children by late adolescence or young adulthood without medical interventions (Cantor, 2020; Ristori & Steensma, 2016; Singh et al., 2021). An attempt has been made to discount the applicability of this research, suggesting that the studies were based on merely gender non-conforming, rather than truly gender-dysphoric, children (Temple Newhook et al., 2018). However, a reanalysis of the data prompted by this critique confirmed the initial finding: Among children meeting the diagnostic criteria for “Gender Identity Disorder” in DSM-IV (currently “Gender Dysphoria in DSM-5), 67% were no longer gender-dysphoric as adults; the rate of natural resolution for gender dysphoria was 93% for children whose gender dysphoria was significant but subthreshold for the DSM diagnosis (Zucker, et al., 2018)."

The information regarding the resolution of gender dysphoria among those with adolescent-onset gender dysphoria, which is currently the predominant presentation, is less clear. A growing body of evidence suggests that for many teens and young adults, a post-pubertal onset of transgender identification can be a transient phase of identity exploration, rather than a permanent identity, as evidenced by a growing number of young detransitioners (Entwistle, 2020; Littman, 2021; Vandenbussche, 2021). Previously, the rate of detransition and regret was reported to be very low, although these estimates suffered from significant limitations and were likely undercounting true regret (D’Angelo, 2018). However, in the last several years since gender-affirmative care has become popularized, the rate of detransition appears to be accelerating."

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2046221#



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Taylor & Francis has junk science. But even their studies say <20%

Still haven’t seen “several reputable studies” supporting “The vast majority of gender dysphoric youth go on to identify as their biological sex” or “the percentage that go on to identify as their birth gender by young adulthood, and the above study shows 80%.”



"There have been eleven research studies to date indicating a high rate of resolution of gender incongruence in children by late adolescence or young adulthood without medical interventions (Cantor, 2020; Ristori & Steensma, 2016; Singh et al., 2021). An attempt has been made to discount the applicability of this research, suggesting that the studies were based on merely gender non-conforming, rather than truly gender-dysphoric, children (Temple Newhook et al., 2018). However, a reanalysis of the data prompted by this critique confirmed the initial finding: Among children meeting the diagnostic criteria for “Gender Identity Disorder” in DSM-IV (currently “Gender Dysphoria in DSM-5), 67% were no longer gender-dysphoric as adults; the rate of natural resolution for gender dysphoria was 93% for children whose gender dysphoria was significant but subthreshold for the DSM diagnosis (Zucker, et al., 2018)."

The information regarding the resolution of gender dysphoria among those with adolescent-onset gender dysphoria, which is currently the predominant presentation, is less clear. A growing body of evidence suggests that for many teens and young adults, a post-pubertal onset of transgender identification can be a transient phase of identity exploration, rather than a permanent identity, as evidenced by a growing number of young detransitioners (Entwistle, 2020; Littman, 2021; Vandenbussche, 2021). Previously, the rate of detransition and regret was reported to be very low, although these estimates suffered from significant limitations and were likely undercounting true regret (D’Angelo, 2018). However, in the last several years since gender-affirmative care has become popularized, the rate of detransition appears to be accelerating."

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2046221#




What exactly is “high rate”? Very subjective wording.

Links to these studies?

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Anonymous wrote:This is the same bigoted Chris Rufo who made up CRT out of thin air. The guy is a Koch-backed think tank dweeb in pleated khakis.

Which schools are teaching about Rainbow pride flags in preK? NONE. We go to one of the most progressive preschools in DC and they don’t teach about that. And, even if they did, the vaaaaaaaast majority of preK in this country is private schools. So parents can exercise their choice.

I just can’t with this naked bigot.


So, slam the messenger when there is evidence you don't like.
Truth is..... this type of crap is happening more than anyone previously knew.


“Crap”

There are all kinds of families and we should be kind to everyone?

Is that really what you consider “crap”?


Telling five-year olds that they can “feel like” a boy or a girl and change that material fact is the “crap”.


Why is that “crap”?


What does it mean to “feel like a girl” or “feel like a boy”?


Those mean different things to different people.

Why is it crap?


Telling a 5 YO boy that if they "feel like" a girl and they can change to be a girl is just blatantly anti-science.
It is at the very least confusing for a 5 YO.
You cannot change your sex. You just can't.


We are discussing gender, not sex.


Gender does NOT supersede sex. Gender USED to be a term interchangeable with "sex" to designate male or female. One's sex cannot be changed.
A 5 YO does not understand the concept of "gender" as it is currently used.
There is no place for gender instruction in the elementary years.


They are two different things.

Sounds like you are stuck in the past. Here’s a good explanation for you:
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/what-do-we-mean-by-sex-and-gender/

Hope that clarified things for you.

Why would there be an age restriction on gender instruction? Kids will get it much more easily than some of the old-timers on this thread. They also understand why it’s important to be nice to everyone. Maybe you can learn something from these kids.




You think that’s going to make sense to a five year old?


Not the medical definition, but young kids won’t struggle neatly as much as you. Sit back and learn something from them.

Learn how to kind and respectful of people who are different than you.
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Taylor & Francis has junk science. But even their studies say <20%

Still haven’t seen “several reputable studies” supporting “The vast majority of gender dysphoric youth go on to identify as their biological sex” or “the percentage that go on to identify as their birth gender by young adulthood, and the above study shows 80%.”



"There have been eleven research studies to date indicating a high rate of resolution of gender incongruence in children by late adolescence or young adulthood without medical interventions (Cantor, 2020; Ristori & Steensma, 2016; Singh et al., 2021). An attempt has been made to discount the applicability of this research, suggesting that the studies were based on merely gender non-conforming, rather than truly gender-dysphoric, children (Temple Newhook et al., 2018). However, a reanalysis of the data prompted by this critique confirmed the initial finding: Among children meeting the diagnostic criteria for “Gender Identity Disorder” in DSM-IV (currently “Gender Dysphoria in DSM-5), 67% were no longer gender-dysphoric as adults; the rate of natural resolution for gender dysphoria was 93% for children whose gender dysphoria was significant but subthreshold for the DSM diagnosis (Zucker, et al., 2018)."

The information regarding the resolution of gender dysphoria among those with adolescent-onset gender dysphoria, which is currently the predominant presentation, is less clear. A growing body of evidence suggests that for many teens and young adults, a post-pubertal onset of transgender identification can be a transient phase of identity exploration, rather than a permanent identity, as evidenced by a growing number of young detransitioners (Entwistle, 2020; Littman, 2021; Vandenbussche, 2021). Previously, the rate of detransition and regret was reported to be very low, although these estimates suffered from significant limitations and were likely undercounting true regret (D’Angelo, 2018). However, in the last several years since gender-affirmative care has become popularized, the rate of detransition appears to be accelerating."

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2046221#




What exactly is “high rate”? Very subjective wording.

Links to these studies?



This poster clearly doesn't understand how references work and is too lazy to actually read the attached link because they don't want to admit they are wrong.
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Anonymous wrote:This is the same bigoted Chris Rufo who made up CRT out of thin air. The guy is a Koch-backed think tank dweeb in pleated khakis.

Which schools are teaching about Rainbow pride flags in preK? NONE. We go to one of the most progressive preschools in DC and they don’t teach about that. And, even if they did, the vaaaaaaaast majority of preK in this country is private schools. So parents can exercise their choice.

I just can’t with this naked bigot.


So, slam the messenger when there is evidence you don't like.
Truth is..... this type of crap is happening more than anyone previously knew.


“Crap”

There are all kinds of families and we should be kind to everyone?

Is that really what you consider “crap”?


Telling five-year olds that they can “feel like” a boy or a girl and change that material fact is the “crap”.


You know that refusing to recognize it won’t stop kids from being trans, right? It just makes them more likely to kill themselves out of fear of rejection by people like you.

Maybe you’d rather have a dead kid than a trans kid, but I sure as hell wouldn’t.


If a child is suicidal they should be receiving mental health treatment, not changing their bodies. Where else do we respond to threats of suicide by giving the person what is asked instead of giving them therapy?


You are conflating GD and depression.


That makes no sense.


DP. Then you should look up the definition of “gender dysphoria,” look up the definition of “depression,” and compare the two. There is a difference between feeling like your body doesn’t make your gender, and feeling deeply depressed because you are terrified to let your parents know who you really are. If your could can talk to you about their gender dysphoria, then you can help them work through it, whatever that path looks like. If they can’t be honest about it, then they end up with a very different type of mental health crisis.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Taylor & Francis has junk science. But even their studies say <20%

Still haven’t seen “several reputable studies” supporting “The vast majority of gender dysphoric youth go on to identify as their biological sex” or “the percentage that go on to identify as their birth gender by young adulthood, and the above study shows 80%.”



"There have been eleven research studies to date indicating a high rate of resolution of gender incongruence in children by late adolescence or young adulthood without medical interventions (Cantor, 2020; Ristori & Steensma, 2016; Singh et al., 2021). An attempt has been made to discount the applicability of this research, suggesting that the studies were based on merely gender non-conforming, rather than truly gender-dysphoric, children (Temple Newhook et al., 2018). However, a reanalysis of the data prompted by this critique confirmed the initial finding: Among children meeting the diagnostic criteria for “Gender Identity Disorder” in DSM-IV (currently “Gender Dysphoria in DSM-5), 67% were no longer gender-dysphoric as adults; the rate of natural resolution for gender dysphoria was 93% for children whose gender dysphoria was significant but subthreshold for the DSM diagnosis (Zucker, et al., 2018)."

The information regarding the resolution of gender dysphoria among those with adolescent-onset gender dysphoria, which is currently the predominant presentation, is less clear. A growing body of evidence suggests that for many teens and young adults, a post-pubertal onset of transgender identification can be a transient phase of identity exploration, rather than a permanent identity, as evidenced by a growing number of young detransitioners (Entwistle, 2020; Littman, 2021; Vandenbussche, 2021). Previously, the rate of detransition and regret was reported to be very low, although these estimates suffered from significant limitations and were likely undercounting true regret (D’Angelo, 2018). However, in the last several years since gender-affirmative care has become popularized, the rate of detransition appears to be accelerating."

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2046221#




What exactly is “high rate”? Very subjective wording.

Links to these studies?



This poster clearly doesn't understand how references work and is too lazy to actually read the attached link because they don't want to admit they are wrong.



If you make a claim, put up or shut up.

It’s not that hard.

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the same bigoted Chris Rufo who made up CRT out of thin air. The guy is a Koch-backed think tank dweeb in pleated khakis.

Which schools are teaching about Rainbow pride flags in preK? NONE. We go to one of the most progressive preschools in DC and they don’t teach about that. And, even if they did, the vaaaaaaaast majority of preK in this country is private schools. So parents can exercise their choice.

I just can’t with this naked bigot.


So, slam the messenger when there is evidence you don't like.
Truth is..... this type of crap is happening more than anyone previously knew.


“Crap”

There are all kinds of families and we should be kind to everyone?

Is that really what you consider “crap”?


Telling five-year olds that they can “feel like” a boy or a girl and change that material fact is the “crap”.


You know that refusing to recognize it won’t stop kids from being trans, right? It just makes them more likely to kill themselves out of fear of rejection by people like you.

Maybe you’d rather have a dead kid than a trans kid, but I sure as hell wouldn’t.


If a child is suicidal they should be receiving mental health treatment, not changing their bodies. Where else do we respond to threats of suicide by giving the person what is asked instead of giving them therapy?


You are conflating GD and depression.


That makes no sense.


DP. Then you should look up the definition of “gender dysphoria,” look up the definition of “depression,” and compare the two. There is a difference between feeling like your body doesn’t make your gender, and feeling deeply depressed because you are terrified to let your parents know who you really are. If your could can talk to you about their gender dysphoria, then you can help them work through it, whatever that path looks like. If they can’t be honest about it, then they end up with a very different type of mental health crisis.


Absolutely it is important for these kids to have support and get comprehensive psychotherapy to truly understand their gender dysphoria. A lot of kids with gender dysphoria have other mental health issues including anxiety and depression, a history of eating disorders, are on the autism spectrum, a history of trauma or sexual abuse. They need to have an extensive evaluation to see the root of what is going on but unfortunately with the current gender affirmation model most kids are not getting this. Instead they are quickly being pushed down the medical pathway leading to irreversible changes to their body. Those posters pointing out the issues are not hateful bigots but are concerned because kids are getting hurt due to the lack of safeguards in place.
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